Well even in the era of Ronnie Coleman he's said he wouldn't beat Dorian twice after that.
Ronnie had groves in his hams and striated glutes bigger than Dorian's whole body? LMFAO where do you come up with this shit? and FYI having an ass as big as someone's whole body is a very bad thing in terms of a balanced physique which is part of the judging criteria , his conditioning pales in comparison to 1998/2001 and to Dorian
The 1995 shoot Kevin said he had more pics , yet he never posted them so much for a sales tool. he'd not living or dying off of Yates pics from 16 years ago
it has absolutely nothing to due with if he was on-stage , him stepping foot on a stage doesn't change how great he looked in those photos in fact he
would be much more impressive under contest lighting , posing oil and a tan. Dorian's NO slouch on-stage in fact he dominated more than any Mr Olympia before or since ON-STAGE against people
Well if you'll humour my comparison, I propose that Dennis James '03 2 weeks before the show would have been the best ever. Impossible to disprove right?
You already said a bunch of times Ronnie's quote and Dorian's corresponding quote both mean nothing so why is it coming up as the core of your argument so often?
There's a strong argument precontest Ronnie '02 is the best ever, although he never made it to the stage. The Ronnie argument doesn't have to base itself on 2 sets of black and white photographs taken weeks away from a stage by the same man and a quote from the guy who took them.
Haney was pretty dominant in his era but he wouldn't make top 10 in most people's hypothetical top-10s these days. Yet Ronnie said Haney would beat him. You don't have to 'presume to speak for Ronnie' to see that Ronnie may have been being a tad polite there. Yet in an hilarious way you feel he meant it about the others but not about Dorian....and it all means nothing .....but can still be used as evidence by you? Inadmissable surely?
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One things for sure, you clearly feel onstage Dorian has never brought as good a package as Ronnie onstage, since your entire argument hinges on b/w pics from before competitions. I could conceivably believe that 93 b/w Dorian would be the best ever, it's just so hard to guess how he'd look on a stage. For instance in the colour video of the 93 Horton shoot you can see Dorian's lower back is more puffy and less dry than what he brought to the stage. Still good condition I'm sure, but since his dominance was based on being insanely granite-like I think things like this would form important factors in an hypothetical 'best-ever'. I know Dorian said of himself he was losing 'pure muscle' in the following 2 weeks, but there's no way he was 100% dehydrated in the '93 pics since the last few days are most important in the dehydration process.
So what if we agree Ronnie = best physique on a stage, Dorian '93/95 = possible best physique ever unprovable/undisprovable ?
Personally I feel that since 95 Dorian only had one arm he'd never be my own choice as best physique ever. Which to me makes '93 Dorian the main contender. If we're nit picking his chest and quads would look small next to prime Ronnie, but then Ronnie would lose calves and side-tri shots. Who knows I guess. But '93 Dorian on stage was too small to be in the running I feel.
