Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry hun, but 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning. This isn't even up for debate as much as you like you try

how is this any different than you saying Dorian was hiding 20 lbs of muscle before a contest?

if Ronnie was 287 lbs with shredded glutes and feathered lats, then why is it hard to believe he could have stepped onstage at 275 lbs with even better conditioning? He was in the high 260s or low 270s in the 02 BFTO and we all know he over-dieted for the Mr. Olympia that year. There is a quote out there by Kevin Horton saying his physique on that day was the freakiest he had seen. It's not far-fetched that he was a few lbs heavier the following year from training hard after his loss at the GNC

sorry hun, but 01 ASC Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning. This isn't even up for debate as much as you like you try

hun? WTF  I'm sure you believe Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning now if you could find someone of worth to agree with you  for the sake of argument I'm always willing to concede he may have equaled it but surpassed while maintaining fullness and muscular bulk? sorry wrong answer

if Ronnie was 287 lbs with shredded glutes and feathered lats, then why is it hard to believe he could have stepped onstage at 275 lbs with even better conditioning? He was in the high 260s or low 270s in the 02 BFTO and we all know he over-dieted for the Mr. Olympia that year. There is a quote out there by Kevin Horton saying his physique on that day was the freakiest he had seen. It's not far-fetched that he was a few lbs heavier the following year from training hard after his loss at the GNC

hehehehehehe shredded glutes and fathered lats , look at the complete difference in density & dryness between 2001 and 2003 it's night day ( to those of us who know what to look for ) his conditioning lighter may very well be better than heavier but you're claiming that he's carrying conditioning on par with or better than Yates at 275lbs and that's fantasy

what we know , at his best conditioned he was his lightest , the heavier he became the worse his conditioning became , with just a 8 pound difference between 98/99 it warranted a commentary now the difference between 249lbs and 287lbs in terms of density & dryness is staggering

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

mentioning the obvious

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


again mentioning the obvious , At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian. 2003   

[Immortal_Technique]

He would look softer yes, just like Muntzer made a lot of people look soft that he lost to anyway.

I'm gonna side with Mike Matarazzo, Flex, Dorian and all the others who say Ronnie would probably win.

[NarcissisticDeity]

He would look softer yes, just like Muntzer made a lot of people look soft that he lost to anyway.

I'm gonna side with Mike Matarazzo, Flex, Dorian and all the others who say Ronnie would probably win.

you do that ignore Ronnie and the multiple times he said Dorian would beat him , as well as Ernie Taylor , and Lee Priest 

[NeoSeminole]

hun? WTF

isn't that how you talk with your customers at your flower shop?

I'm sure you believe Ronnie surpassed Dorian's conditioning now if you could find someone of worth to agree with you for the sake of argument I'm always willing to concede he may have equaled it but surpassed while maintaining fullness and muscular bulk? sorry wrong answer

in before ND claims he's not a judge so the quote doesn't matter

hehehehehehe shredded glutes and fathered lats , look at the complete difference in density & dryness between 2001 and 2003 it's night day ( to those of us who know what to look for ) his conditioning lighter may very well be better than heavier but you're claiming that he's carrying conditioning on par with or better than Yates at 275lbs and that's fantasy

why are you scared of 03 Ronnie? If he's so "off" as you put it, then you should have no problem since this makes it easier for you to argue why Dorian is better. Instead, you adamantly contend that 03 was not his prime and even try to counter by picking a larger version of Dorian (i.e. 95 pre-contest)

[Immortal_Technique]

you do that ignore Ronnie and the multiple times he said Dorian would beat him , as well as Ernie Taylor , and Lee Priest 

Sorry, game's over for you. Too many contradictions.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I give up, you're right Ronnie was carrying too much subcutaneous fat in 2003....30lbs worth rendering his blatant and significant size advantage an illusion.

The difference between '98 and 2003 was Ronnie being 'on' and Ronnie being 'off', so Ronnie was 'off' in 2003 right?

Furthermore I now realise Dorian's glutes and hams are just as good as Ronnie's. There is no muscle Ronnie has developed more than Dorian....not even biceps, quads (look at the sartorius!)hams, glutes, chest or delts.........and recycling words like "density" from quotes in the mid-90s actually overrides all visual evidence, apart from grainy black and white pics of course, rendering it "no comparison".

Ronnie "doesn't compare" to Dorian, bwahaha, the king of superfluous hyperbole strikes again.

I hate lowering myself to this name calling rubbish at the expense of rational debate. I respect your intelligence but sometimes you are a complete joke.

then to quell all of this nonsense about a weight advantage we'll use Dorian precontest 1995 283lbs , harder & drier than Ronnie at that weight , better balance & proportion , more complete so like Ronnie YOU still lose  

= Sad desperate projection of a phantasy stage showing. Torn biceps, sorry "one biceps shorter than the other", only 1 witness whose statement you hang everything on, and 1 studio b/w pic. I really can't believe you made such a meal of the 99 darkened pics when your whole dream is based on a single b/w studio pic which only recently emerged, completely mental. At least Ronnie was on a stage. You don't even feel the need to see any back shots of Dorian from the 95 shoot, yet profess total knowledge of the judging criteria.

I feel I've more than shown myself to be your match when it comes to level-headed analysis but you too often exaggerate things. In 98 aparently all the Kevins and Shawn Rays and Nassers and Flexes ceased to be a decent standard of competition, the glory days ended for you, it became easy to win the Olympia, you didn't even need balance and proportion or condition, none of the same things Dorian needed in his era - which according to you is actually Ronnie's era too   Mental.

I give up, you're right Ronnie was carrying too much subcutaneous fat in 2003....30lbs worth rendering his blatant and significant size advantage an illusion.

The difference between '98 and 2003 was Ronnie being 'on' and Ronnie being 'off', so Ronnie was 'off' in 2003 right?

No the size advantage wouldn't be an illusion but it's not the advantage you wish it would be , especially considering it's not dense muscle

Ronnie 2003 was off in terms of density & dryness compared to 1998/2001 and Dorian absolutely no , if ands or buts about it

Furthermore I now realise Dorian's glutes and hams are just as good as Ronnie's. There is no muscle Ronnie has developed more than Dorian....not even biceps, quads (look at the sartorius!)hams, glutes, chest or delts.........and recycling words like "density" from quotes in the mid-90s actually overrides all visual evidence, apart from grainy black and white pics of course, rendering it "no comparison".

The old I can't back up any of my claims so I'll just post a sarcastic retort to try and distract you from the fact , I'll ask again WHAT muscle in the hams strings does Ronnie have developed , separated and detailed that Dorian does not? answer the question don't try and post your way out of it. same with glutes Ronnie's are striated , Dorian's are striated yet Ronnie's are somehow better ? elaborate on this how?

Ronnie "doesn't compare" to Dorian, bwahaha, the king of superfluous hyperbole strikes again.

no superfluous hyperbole , just facts Ronnie 2003 does NOT compared to Dorian in terms of density & dryness in 2003 it's not open for discussion or debate , if you think otherwise back up your claim , and speaking of ' superfluous hyperbole ' Ronnie has no missing bodyparts '   and Ronnie has  ' better hams and glutes just trust me on that one '  

I hate lowering myself to this name calling rubbish at the expense of rational debate. I respect your intelligence but sometimes you are a complete joke.

ironic I feel the same about you especially after claiming he had no missing bodyparts lol but I don't respect your intelligence because on this topic like Neo and Hulkster you've shown none

= Sad desperate projection of a phantasy stage showing. Torn biceps, sorry "one biceps shorter than the other", only 1 witness whose statement you hang everything on, and 1 studio b/w pic. I really can't believe you made such a meal of the 99 darkened pics when your whole dream is based on a single b/w studio pic which only recently emerged, completely mental. At least Ronnie was on a stage. You don't even feel the need to see any back shots of Dorian from the 95 shoot, yet profess total knowledge of the judging criteria.

Well this I admittedly am going based only on Kevin Horton's words on the subject and that pic looks outstanding BTW , Kevin Horton already said he has NO stake in this argument and he never picked a side , so I will take his word until it's proven wrong otherwise

Just because he's not onstage doesn't mean anything , and FYI he was onstage that year albeit lighter and still set everyone on stage on their ass

I feel I've more than shown myself to be your match when it comes to level-headed analysis but you too often exaggerate things. In 98 aparently all the Kevins and Shawn Rays and Nassers and Flexes ceased to be a decent standard of competition, the glory days ended for you, it became easy to win the Olympia, you didn't even need balance and proportion or condition, none of the same things Dorian needed in his era - which according to you is actually Ronnie's era too   Mental.

my match?   are you kidding me? you don't even know how contests are judged how can you be my ' match ' ? that statement is ridiculous to the point of being offensive   you would have to know how contests are judged , set aside your personal preference ( Dorian isn't even my favorite bodybuilder ) and be objective , you've shown you can't do that by claiming absurd things like he has no missing parts lol you're biased , ignorant and make overstatements , out of the two of use I'm sure as hell all of the above compared to you , Neo , and Hulkster

98 Ronnie faced some pretty stiff competition but this proves my point at what Ronnie considers his best Olympia showing ever 1998 he only beat Flex by 3 points one of the closest Mr Olympia contests to this day !! if Ronnie was never in the 1998 Mr Olympia and Dorian 1993 was he would have murdered that whole line-up with ease there would be no close contest or any contest

Flex , Kevin , Shawn , Nasser all hit their prime showings in Dorian's hey-day . Kevin 1992/1995 Shawn 1994/1996 Nasser 1995/1996 Flex 1993 , look at 2002 Kevin looked like shit compared to 1995 and still took it to Ronnie ( he won both the posing rounds ) 1995 Kevin would have beat Ronnie 2002

Ronnie's 'era ' began only when Dorian walked away if he didn't have injuries Ronnie wouldn't have an era  

[NarcissisticDeity]

isn't that how you talk with your customers at your flower shop?





in before ND claims he's not a judge so the quote doesn't matter

why are you scared of 03 Ronnie? If he's so "off" as you put it, then you should have no problem since this makes it easier for you to argue why Dorian is better. Instead, you adamantly contend that 03 was not his prime and even try to counter by picking a larger version of Dorian (i.e. 95 pre-contest)

isn't that how you talk with your customers at your flower shop?

Awwww someone is getting frustrated and grasping at straws  keep reaching for the stars sport

in before ND claims he's not a judge so the quote doesn't matter

before Neo says ' he's not fit to judge ' and he forgot one who is fit to judge Dorian said already he's better conditioned 

why are you scared of 03 Ronnie? If he's so "off" as you put it, then you should have no problem since this makes it easier for you to argue why Dorian is better. Instead, you adamantly contend that 03 was not his prime and even try to counter by picking a larger version of Dorian (i.e. 95 pre-contest)

I'm scared? of Ronnie at one of his worse showings where his balance & proportion are in the red and his density & dryness are clearly eons off of Dorians? I Think NOT 

the larger version of Dorian negates ANY assumed advantage he has every base covered not just posing and balance and conditioning 

everyone knows 2003 isn't his best just dumb noobs who didn't get the memo and didn't like the messenger after he gave it to them

the debate is AT THEIR BEST and 2003 is NOT his best

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sorry, game's over for you. Too many contradictions.

It was game over a LONG time ago kid 

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.



thanks for playing though

[Immortal_Technique]

No the size advantage wouldn't be an illusion but it's not the advantage you wish it would be , especially considering it's not dense muscle

Ronnie 2003 was off in terms of density & dryness compared to 1998/2001 and Dorian absolutely no , if ands or buts about it

The old I can't back up any of my claims so I'll just post a sarcastic retort to try and distract you from the fact , I'll ask again WHAT muscle in the hams strings does Ronnie have developed , separated and detailed that Dorian does not? answer the question don't try and post your way out of it. same with glutes Ronnie's are striated , Dorian's are striated yet Ronnie's are somehow better ? elaborate on this how?

no superfluous hyperbole , just facts Ronnie 2003 does NOT compared to Dorian in terms of density & dryness in 2003 it's not open for discussion or debate , if you think otherwise back up your claim , and speaking of ' superfluous hyperbole ' Ronnie has no missing bodyparts '   and Ronnie has  ' better hams and glutes just trust me on that one '  

ironic I feel the same about you especially after claiming he had no missing bodyparts lol but I don't respect your intelligence because on this topic like Neo and Hulkster you've shown none

Well this I admittedly am going based only on Kevin Horton's words on the subject and that pic looks outstanding BTW , Kevin Horton already said he has NO stake in this argument and he never picked a side , so I will take his word until it's proven wrong otherwise

Just because he's not onstage doesn't mean anything , and FYI he was onstage that year albeit lighter and still set everyone on stage on their ass

my match?   are you kidding me? you don't even know how contests are judged how can you be my ' match ' ? that statement is ridiculous to the point of being offensive   you would have to know how contests are judged , set aside your personal preference ( Dorian isn't even my favorite bodybuilder ) and be objective , you've shown you can't do that by claiming absurd things like he has no missing parts lol you're biased , ignorant and make overstatements , out of the two of use I'm sure as hell all of the above compared to you , Neo , and Hulkster

98 Ronnie faced some pretty stiff competition but this proves my point at what Ronnie considers his best Olympia showing ever 1998 he only beat Flex by 3 points one of the closest Mr Olympia contests to this day !! if Ronnie was never in the 1998 Mr Olympia and Dorian 1993 was he would have murdered that whole line-up with ease there would be no close contest or any contest

Flex , Kevin , Shawn , Nasser all hit their prime showings in Dorian's hey-day . Kevin 1992/1995 Shawn 1994/1996 Nasser 1995/1996 Flex 1993 , look at 2002 Kevin looked like shit compared to 1995 and still took it to Ronnie ( he won both the posing rounds ) 1995 Kevin would have beat Ronnie 2002

Ronnie's 'era ' began only when Dorian walked away if he didn't have injuries Ronnie wouldn't have an era  

You didn't even say which bodyparts you think Ronnie is missing Cos in 2003 he certainly isn't missing calves and his triceps were huuge and cut. Just watch the 2003 prejudging, I don't believe you can even bring yourself to watch it.

You say Ronnie's era began when Dorian walked away, this after several posts claiming their eras are one and the same   Absolute clownery.
You know it, I know it.

You are old, this makes you think you know everything about judging, and that you can disagree with all the judges who think Ronnie 2003 was 'on' enough to destroy everyone. Maybe he wasn't facing 93 Flex Wheeler or anything, who you seem to think would give 2003 Ronnie such a tough time, but I certainly do consider it hyperbole to say outright that he was 'off'. Likewise saying it would be "no close contest or any contest" is indicative of the closed door that is your mind.

I attempt to concede things like maybe the Dorian 93 2 weeks before physique would be the best ever, but you haven't even the class to budge an inch and say that Dorian never brought a package to the stage that could compete with Ronnie's best, although you unwittingly concede this with your every post focusing on b/w photoshoots! I am more based in truth, construct better, more fact-based sentences (i know you think saying "balance and proportion" lots means Dorian is proportionally flawless) with fewer errors, and I don't base my entire case on one man's words. Of course I can't disprove Kevin Horton as noone else was there. It's undisprovable like Freud's psycho-analytical theories, Weapons of Mass destruction and many other historically retarded arguments. But this is not the same as it being true. My argument is based on a tangible reality. You will dispute this and ridicule me as you laugh the laugh of an aging man detaching from reality. I look forward to more speculation/Kevin Horton-based arguing and patronising excerpts from the judging criteria which you think automatically benefit Dorian.

Ronnie isn't necessarily my favourite bodybuilder, but at his best he was better on a stage than Dorian was at his best. On a stage.

The comparison below favours Dorian because Ronnie is actually taller than Dorian by a good inch. But it still shows what I believe to be better hams and glutes. Yes Dorians are good but not as ripped. Also interesting to note so many of the iron-age board comparisons feel the need to shrink Ronnie down to a size where he's less threatening. Note the perceptible similarities in calf size. Ronnie's forarms, and all that tripe you always try, look absolutely fine and in proportion. Even his waist is slimmer. Dorian wins other aspects of the comparison like dryness noticeably, but it's a scaled down pic of Ronnie so his size advantage doesn't properly show. Better shape and lines also, and this isn't even Ronnie's strongest pose against Dorian, that would be back double bi, front double bi, side chest and most muscular. Dorian probably winning ab and thigh and side triceps. The one below would be close, but Dorian could win it and still lose. Anyway, enjoy.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You didn't even say which bodyparts you think Ronnie is missing Cos in 2003 he certainly isn't missing calves and his triceps were huuge and cut. Just watch the 2003 prejudging, I don't believe you can even bring yourself to watch it.

You say Ronnie's era began when Dorian walked away, this after several posts claiming their eras are one and the same   Absolute clownery.
You know it, I know it.

You are old, this makes you think you know everything about judging, and that you can disagree with all the judges who think Ronnie 2003 was 'on' enough to destroy everyone. Maybe he wasn't facing 93 Flex Wheeler or anything, who you seem to think would give 2003 Ronnie such a tough time, but I certainly do consider it hyperbole to say outright that he was 'off'. Likewise saying it would be "no close contest or any contest" is indicative of the closed door that is your mind.

I attempt to concede things like maybe the Dorian 93 2 weeks before physique would be the best ever, but you haven't even the class to budge an inch and say that Dorian never brought a package that could compete with Ronnie's best, although you unwittingly concede this with your every post focusing on b/w photoshoots! I am more based in truth, construct better, more fact-based sentences (i know you think saying "balance and proportion" lots means Dorian is proportionally flawless) with fewer errors, and I don't base my entire case on one man's words. Of course I can't disprove Kevin Horton as noone else was there. It's undisprovable like Freud's psycho-analytical theories, Weapons of Mass destruction and many other historically retarded arguments. But this is not the same as it being true. My argument is based on a tangible reality. You will dispute this and ridicule me as you laugh the laugh of an aging man detaching from reality. I look forward to more speculation/Kevin Horton-based arguing and patronising excerpts from the judging criteria which you think automatically benefit Dorian.

Ronnie isn't necessarily my favourite bodybuilder, but at his best he was better on a stage than Dorian was at his best. On a stage.

You didn't even say which bodyparts you think Ronnie is missing Cos in 2003 he certainly isn't missing calves and his triceps were huuge and cut. Just watch the 2003 prejudging, I don't believe you can even bring yourself to watch it.

his calves weren't missing in 2003 , I stop here... taken you seriously after this is impossible

You say Ronnie's era began when Dorian walked away, this after several posts claiming their eras are one and the same  Absolute clownery.
You know it, I know it.

Again it's not like Ronnie didn't compete in Dorian's era it's not like they never faced each other grasp the difference?

You are old, this makes you think you know everything about judging, and that you can disagree with all the judges who think Ronnie 2003 was 'on' enough to destroy everyone. Maybe he wasn't facing 93 Flex Wheeler or anything, who you seem to think would give 2003 Ronnie such a tough time, but I certainly do consider it hyperbole to say outright that he was 'off'. Likewise saying it would be "no close contest or any contest" is indicative of the closed door that is your mind.

I don't disagree with Ronnie's win in 2003 , I certainly think he was good enough to beat who he competed with a this contest. Ronnie was OFF compared to his best , this is obvious and in terms of conditioning he doesn't compared to Dorian in 2003 NOT what so ever think of it as you'd like it doesn't change the fact just like he wasn't missing any calves in 03 , you think of things that contradict reality constantly

I attempt to concede things like maybe the Dorian 93 2 weeks before physique would be the best ever, but you haven't even the class to budge an inch and say that Dorian never brought a package that could compete with Ronnie's best, although you unwittingly concede this with your every post focusing on b/w photoshoots! I am more based in truth, construct better, more fact-based sentences (i know you think saying "balance and proportion" lots means Dorian is proportionally flawless) with fewer errors, and I don't base my entire case on one man's words. Of course I can't disprove Kevin Horton as noone else was there. It's undisprovable like Freud's psycho-analytical theories, Weapons of Mass destruction and many other historically retarded arguments. But this is not the same as it being true. My argument is based on a tangible reality. You will dispute this and ridicule me as you laugh the laugh of an aging man detaching from reality. I look forward to more speculation/Kevin Horton-based arguing and patronising excerpts from the judging criteria which you think automatically benefit Dorian.

you're not based in truth when you type he's not missing any bodyparts you're just not. you construct better , more fact based sentences? lmao you base things on tangible reality? and then type he's NOT missing any bodyparts? and you don't think Dorian is better conditioned than Ronnie 2003 ? surely now you're just being contrary and not serious? whenever I think you can't type anything more absurd you prove me wrong  nothing you say is reality based your comments are off the wall , you can't even get the basics right , you cherry pick what little of the IFBB judging criteria you know of , ignore the rest and type contradictory things , you are way off the mark and you don't get an A for effort

Ronnie isn't necessarily my favourite bodybuilder, but at his best he was better on a stage than Dorian was at his best. On a stage.

sure Ronnie isn't your favorite  and what was that again about superfluous hyperbole? but at his best he was better on a stage than Dorian was at his best. On a stage. oh that's right and Ronnie doesn't agree with you BTW

[Immortal_Technique]

Almost all of your response hinges on you thinking I'm stupid for saying Ronnie had calves in 2003. If you look at the pic above and genuinely see no calves then I guess that's where this ends.

I'm not sure you know what hyperbole is, but saying in a considered fashion that one person would achieve a possibly narrow but none-the-less worthy and valid victory over another is not it. Name a stage Dorian you think would win and you would better counter my argument.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The comparison below favours Dorian because Ronnie is actually taller than Dorian by a good inch. But it still shows what I believe to be better hams and glutes. Yes Dorians are good but not as ripped. Also interesting to note so many of the iron-age board comparisons feel the need to shrink Ronnie down to a size where he's less threatening. Note the perceptible similarities in calf size. Ronnie's forarms, and all that tripe you always try, look absolutely fine and in proportion. Even his waist is slimmer. Dorian wins other aspects of the comparison like dryness noticeably, but it's a scaled down pic of Ronnie so his size advantage doesn't properly show. Better shape and lines also, and this isn't even Ronnie's strongest pose against Dorian, that would be back double bi, front double bi, side chest and most muscular. Dorian probably winning ab and thigh and side triceps. The one below would be close, but Dorian could win it and still lose. Anyway, enjoy.

It favors Dorian? more delusion on your behalf NO it doesn't favor Dorian and why? because Dorian NO year will have a smaller waist & hips compared to Ronnie , nor will have smaller joints and smaller calves , and yet in this laughable comparison that you ignorantly claim it somehow favor's Dorian , he does THIS IS NOT REALITY this is fantasy put together by a Coleman fanboy who thinks this is what it would actually be


it's only in these fantasy comparisons that Ronnie wins and even in this laughable ' scaled down ' version the difference in conditioning is black & white , please go back to the drawing board because this is laughable

[NeoSeminole]

You will dispute this and ridicule me as you laugh the laugh of an aging man detaching from reality

I love metaphors

[Immortal_Technique]

Again if you think Dorian has better glutes and hams there then there is no hope. That's all that pic was supposed to prove initially after you asked me to back it up. If you genuinely believe shrinking Ronnie doesn't favour Dorian then good for you.

[Immortal_Technique]

I'm waiting for you to concede Ronnie has calves in that pic.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Almost all of your response hinges on you thinking I'm stupid for saying Ronnie had calves in 2003. If you look at the pic above and genuinely see no calves then I guess that's where this ends.

I'm not sure you know what hyperbole is, but saying in a considered fashion that one person would achieve a possibly narrow but none-the-less worthy and valid victory over another is not it. Name a stage Dorian you think would win and you would better counter my argument.

Almost all of your response hinges on you thinking I'm stupid for saying Ronnie had calves in 2003. If you look at the pic above and genuinely see no calves then I guess that's where this ends.

No not almost all my responses hinge on me thinking you're stupid for just his missing calves it's much , much more than that , like Ronnie's glutes are half the size of Dorian's body ( lmao as if that's an advantage ) or somehow I'm out of line for claiming Dorian is much better conditioned than Ronnie 2003 , or this one Ronnie makes Yates look ' Labraesque ' heheheheheh much more than the calves comment and it ended a LONG time ago my friend if you don't wanna further embarrass yourself than stop posting but after a lot of your responses I didn't think that mattered anymore 

His calves somehow in 2003 lowered , became classic diamond shaped and exhibited great development & separation of the gastrocnemis inner & outer heads and somehow came into proportion with his quads , and in that fantasy comparison you actually had the balls to type perceptible similarities in calf size based on a comparison SOMEONE MADE lmfao

keep posting.... I'll keep correcting and pointing how way off you are 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again if you think Dorian has better glutes and hams there then there is no hope. That's all that pic was supposed to prove initially after you asked me to back it up. If you genuinely believe shrinking Ronnie doesn't favour Dorian then good for you.

oh boy you can't even keep track of the conversation , I never once claimed Dorian had better glutes and hams in fact I asked you to elaborate on what you THINK makes them better , both have striations and both have awesome hams , you never elaborated on what makes Ronnie's supposedly better , still waiting

if you think that comparison is accurate than shame on you 

I'm waiting for you to concede Ronnie has calves in that pic.

You're delusional and or high if you think Ronnie has calves ANY year period.

[Immortal_Technique]

You say no calves in that pic, I say goodbye.

[NarcissisticDeity]

What muscle in the hams strings does Ronnie have developed , detailed and separated that Dorian does not? show me , you're like Hulkster repeating this nonsense without ever taking a look and comparing them , Ronnie doesn't showing anything in hams that Dorian doesn't

[NarcissisticDeity]

You say no calves in that pic, I say goodbye.

Oh I found those calves 

[Palpatine Q]

No not almost all my responses hinge on me thinking you're stupid for just his missing calves it's much , much more than that , like Ronnie's glutes are half the size of Dorian's body ( lmao as if that's an advantage ) or somehow I'm out of line for claiming Dorian is much better conditioned than Ronnie 2003 , or this one Ronnie makes Yates look ' Labraesque ' heheheheheh much more than the calves comment and it ended a LONG time ago my friend if you don't wanna further embarrass yourself than stop posting but after a lot of your responses I didn't think that mattered anymore 

His calves somehow in 2003 lowered , became classic diamond shaped and exhibited great development & separation of the gastrocnemis inner & outer heads and somehow came into proportion with his quads , and in that fantasy comparison you actually had the balls to type perceptible similarities in calf size based on a comparison SOMEONE MADE lmfao

keep posting.... I'll keep correcting and pointing how way off you are 

ND patting himself on the back for the millionth time like he's actually "winning" something here......Everyone laughs at you

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND patting himself on the back for the millionth time like he's actually "winning" something here......Everyone laughs at you

I thought you were sick of this? back to bitch and moan some more?

oh noes everyone is laughing at me  is this the part where I'm supposed to care? my GetBig ' credibility ' shot someone named " Groink " is laughing at me lmao go try and impress more people with pics of your wife's breasts lmfao Alpha-Don 

[Palpatine Q]

I thought you were sick of this? back to bitch and moan some more?

oh noes everyone is laughing at me  is this the part where I'm supposed to care? my GetBig ' credibility ' shot someone named " Groink " is laughing at me lmao go try and impress more people with pics of your wife's breasts lmfao Alpha-Don 

I'm sure that goes over better than your thousand word "I love Dorian Yates" essays

I'm not bitching.....I'm ridiculing you

[Nirvana]

I'm sure that goes over better than your thousand word "I love Dorian Yates" essays

I'm not bitching.....I'm ridiculing you

they are not essays, they are facts backed by his and the always truthfull judges opinnions, who's mean more than ours do

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm sure that goes over better than your thousand word "I love Dorian Yates" essays

I'm not bitching.....I'm ridiculing you

You're bitching and again is this the part I'm supposed to care Mr Alpha-Don? lmao