Hartford Pro - David Henry got robbed!

[jude2]

That's Ron Harris talking, not Jose, and it's not even an admission.

Look at this mother fucker of a thread, where Ron says he believe Raymond to be natural:

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=65369

I read a thread where Jose stated he dosen't claim to be natural anymore. They are not going to admit to taking drugs on an open forum. It would be like saying hey I am breaking the law. You know Ron would do anything to protect his boy Jose. I think the supplements he uses now is what prevents him from having the deep seperation that he use to have when he was about 50 pounds lighter.

[Chick]

Very true, on pictures alone we have no idea how good their posing routine was, but how much weight does the routine carry? I really have no idea, perhaps Chick can enlighten us. Can having a far superior posing routine make up for having less conditioning or symetry? i am being totally serious here and honestly appreciate your answer.

The routine counts for ZERO points, as it should.

The posedown is counted, and between that and the final round of comparisons, they both account for 50% of the score....

[Mussolini]

The routine counts for ZERO points, as it should.

The posedown is counted, and between that and the final round of comparisons, they both account for 50% of the score....

Thanks Bob.

[Nirvana]

his possible replies will be:

"queen team assemble"
"while u were online, i was out shaking hands and kissing babies"
"scram loser"

I much look forward to hearing about your life than his, yours is more exciting, his is just...       

[AC Slater]

This is one of the biggest loads of garbage i've read.  Bob, get in touch with reality.  There are times when a clear winner is not easily seen, but in this case, it was like comparing arnold swarzenegger to vince goodrum.  There is no way to "swing" it either way depending on the "day".  Thats a load of crap. 

You should NOT be an athletes rep.  You represent everything thats wrong with bodybuilding, and you have the spine of a freakin jelly fish.  Stand up and show some integrity for once.  David Henry was the CLEAR winner.  There is no way to "explain" it away.  anyone with eyes can see this.  You have zero honesty or integrity when it comes to these matters, and shouldn't be representing the athletes.  they'll probably tell david henry, "well, you should have sucked more cock and maybe you would have won".....  what a joke bbing is now days. 

100% spot on.  not surprising to see chick dodge this one.

[Super Natural]

I still see water in Jose's back hindering some definition. Jose's hams and calves are possibly a tad drier than David's but David's quads overall from top to bottom look drier. Front upper is very close but if you look at the serratus and obliques, David is for sure drier.

What the fuck is this "Drier" BS...it's fat! stubborn fucking fat...In most cases holding water is just the biggest BB excuse ever 

[Super Natural]

do the math:

David Henry has the better upper body. that's half the physique. Jose has the better lower body. that's the OTHER HALF of the physique

Jose has MUCH better overall conditioning (ESPECIALLY LOWER BODY - David was SOFT)

Jose has the advantage - Jose wins

it's like if both had a pair of 10's and Jose had an ace high, David had a jack high

David Henry winning would have been a case of politics and "names" - they called this one fairly

IMO Jose's presentation and posing is also better too (More Polished).. David Henry looks a bit awkward on stage sometimes.

[The Showstoppa]

haha, so Dave came up a little short, huh? 

[Van_Bilderass]

They are not going to admit to taking drugs on an open forum. It would be like saying hey I am breaking the law. You know Ron would do anything to protect his boy Jose.

That is complete bullshit and you know it. Have you ever read MD, the magazine? It's a fucking drug journal with tons of talk about what you need to compete as a pro. Other pros on MD talk about using drugs all the time. At least be like Chick and say you have a script.

It has nothing to do with fearing the law. They lie because they are scum.

[Ron]

From some of the photographers there, and not the judges, they said David Henry was clear on and better from the front, but his legs were just not as big and shaped as Jose Raymond.

That being said, these pics here clearly show David Henry having the better physique, but I wasnt there.

[dyslexic]

O.K, so Raymond has bigger quads, and non-existent calves.

His conditioning may have been better, but his delts look like nothing next to David's cannon balls. (Delts, that is)

Raymonds arms look smaller by comparison.

Raymonds glutes may have been more striated, but the overall package didn't appear to be a close-call.

It just looks like Raymond has huge freaking quads and great conditioning. Is that enough to win unanimously (or not) against someone who ALMOST has the perfect package?

Would Raymond have beaten Lee Priest too?

[Nirvana]

so, everybody hates chick

[Chick]

chick is "playing the game"...and i can see where he's coming from to a certain extent...BUT, someone like that shouldnt be an Athletes rep, NOR should they be on here trying to shovel loads of crap at us about the "judging" as if we are supposed to believe the garbage being spewed out.  if he doesnt want to be honest, then he shouldnt comment at all. 

What does me explaining how the judging works, and possibly how the judges cdame to their conclusion, have to do with my duties as a rep?  You, you believe I should make some ruckus every time an athlete thinks he should have won, or placed higher??

[pellius]

What does me explaining how the judging works, and possibly how the judges cdame to their conclusion, have to do with my duties as a rep?  You, you believe I should make some ruckus every time an athlete thinks he should have won, or placed higher??

You still have the best damn head of hair in the business!

[Schmoe Buster]

You still have the best damn head of artificial hair in the business!

Fixed

[MORTALCOIL]

chick is "playing the game"...and i can see where he's coming from to a certain extent...BUT, someone like that shouldnt be an Athletes rep, NOR should they be on here trying to shovel loads of crap at us about the "judging" as if we are supposed to believe the garbage being spewed out.  if he doesnt want to be honest, then he shouldnt comment at all. 

Exactly why he is a "good" rep. He never forgets who's signing his paychecks. Good soldier that is.

[Chick]

Exactly why he is a "good" rep. He never forgets who's signing his paychecks. Good soldier that is.

Being that there is no paycheck for the job...just who do you believe that to be?

Real simple..this isnt a AR issue, nor have I been contacted by any of the competitors with any complaints.

[Chick]

what exactly do you do to help the athletes then Chick? 

would the athletes be better off forming a pro bbers union?

I already tried that years ago, with little to no support from the athletes themselves...thus the AR position was created.

As for what I do for the athletes...you tell me. You obviously thought you were qualified enough to make a comment as to why I shouldn't be, surely you know what I've done and my role...

[The Showstoppa]

From some of the photographers there, and not the judges, they said David Henry was clear on and better from the front, but his legs were just not as big and shaped as Jose Raymond.

That being said, these pics here clearly show David Henry having the better physique, but I wasnt there.

You can't judge a bodybuilding show off of pics only.

[Fatpanda]

You can't judge a bodybuilding show off of pics only.

bullshit ! your trying to tell me cameras somehow make some bodybuilders look worse and others look better ?

hahahahahahahahahah nonsense.

[Chick]

let me make something else clear as well, i have no beef with you personally bob.  you do a good job being in the public eye, BUT, as far as 'helping' the athletes, or being honest about judging results, you arent trustworthy imo. 

it would be good to talk to the pros and see how they feel.  starting with david henry.

So now you admit to not know what I do, or have done for the athletes...but based on your lack of knowledge and nothing credible to offer, you believe me to be not trustworthy?

[Fatpanda]

So now you admit to not know what I do, or have done for the athletes...but based on your lack of knowledge and nothing credible to offer, you believe me to be not trustworthy?

as an athletes rep you should bring up the diabolical judging seen at this comp for a start.

[Chick]

as an athletes rep you should bring up the diabolical judging seen at this comp for a start.

According to who?

What other great injustices do you think were handed out?

Feel free to give us YOUR order of placings

[Fatpanda]

According to who?

What other great injustices do you think were handed out?

Feel free to give us YOUR order of placings

according to everyone honest who saw it 

chick stop being a coward and admit henry was robbed.

[El Diablo Blanco]

HAHAHA, people bitching about a white man robbing a black man.  Isn't that ironic.