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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2010, 12:05:33 PM »
parker u said it, the only reason jose is even up there is he is tied in politically with the industry, I remember he couldnt even make top 5 at a local LA max muscle contest.

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2010, 12:07:10 PM »
Everyone's saying that DH's posing and presentation was off. The pics don't tell the full story.

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2010, 12:20:02 PM »
Link to where he admitted to juicing?

I don't know what he claims or doesn't now, but Ron Harris said he believed Jose to be a natural a year ago. So he must have thought Jose still played the natural card.

Jose never competed naturally of course. At least not natural in any of the competition galleries on MD.
Originally Posted by Jude2 
I don't think Jose claims to be natural anymore. He got the win and he is in the mix with the best 202's in the World.



That is correct - but he won national titles 6X in 4 different wt classes when he was natural, both at tested and non-tested national shows.
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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2010, 12:22:47 PM »
jose and tito both have been juicing since they were 17

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2010, 12:30:23 PM »
Cswol, you seem to be connected.  Tell me some good stories.
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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2010, 12:41:09 PM »
so opinion decides the winners? dont the judges have specific criteria to follow and score by?

...and if they do have specific criteria to judge by, a different panel of judegs should come to the same conclusion (i.e. raymond over henry), shouldnt they?

OR, do no actual judging criteria exist?



The only "specific" criteria, is the mandatory poses, individual routine, and quarter turns be completed...everything else is ultimately a judges opinion. Are the based on criteria? Of course...hard to be specific when it comes to words like symmetry, proportion, shape, dryness, conditioned, and presentation.

These are guidelines which are observed when assessing a physique, but as you can see even in this thread, opinions varry.  I can make a case for either one of them...

When it comes to a point system...all it takes is one more judge to make it swing the other way...highs and lows are thrown out, whats left is the median score.

Whats funny, is people expressing THEIR opinion in absolutes, then blasting the judges for their own...

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #106 on: July 25, 2010, 12:44:08 PM »
The only "specific" criteria, is the mandatory poses, individual routine, and quarter turns be completed...everything else is ultimately a judges opinion. Are the based on criteria? Of course...hard to be specific when it comes to words like symmetry, proportion, shape, dryness, conditioned, and presentation.

These are guidelines which are observed when assessing a physique, but as you can see even in this thread, opinions varry.  I can make a case for either one of them...

When it comes to a pint system...all it takes is one more judge to make it swing the other way...highs and lows are thrown out, whats left is the median score.

Bob, this pretty much goes without saying but you'll be at the USAs correct?
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« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2010, 12:47:00 PM »
I use to know alot of pros past and present, man training at golds venice for nearly 10 years, i seen and heard it all.........tito raymond is a fraud, was never natural, and his brother is getting early christmas gifts............I remember one day I went to the back of gold's, and saw paul demayo training arms when he was trying to make a comeback, must have been about 2002, he wasnt super huge, probly 280, I was shocked to see him, because everyone was saying hes washed up................it was cool to see him, bc he soon died later............I use to see trevor smith when he was 400, before he died.......this was when I was coming back up, I didnt get big by golds venice standards until about 2003, because I hadnt trained serious for a while........ohh aaron baker is kind of an asshole, the coolest pros............are..... ..forgive me.....craig titus and I use to talk about stuff.........ronnie coleman is cool.......and flex wheeler is a great guy........there are a ton of other people I use to talk to and stuff but you know........thats the past.........ohhh rick valente is the coolest and great guy also...he vouched for me at golds at times when management would harrass me for training hard, and charles glass would too.

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2010, 12:55:35 PM »
Bob, this pretty much goes without saying but you'll be at the USAs correct?

Unfortunately, it doesnt go without saying, as you see by some of the responses in this thread....you have more experience and knowledge than the average here.

Yes sir, Vegas this weekend...see you there?

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2010, 01:06:00 PM »
Unfortunately, it doesnt go without saying, as you see by some of the responses in this thread....you have more experience and knowledge than the average here.

Yes sir, Vegas this weekend...see you there?

Yes Sir.  I'll be there. 8)
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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2010, 01:10:09 PM »
I use to know alot of pros past and present, man training at golds venice for nearly 10 years, i seen and heard it all.........tito raymond is a fraud, was never natural, and his brother is getting early christmas gifts............I remember one day I went to the back of gold's, and saw paul demayo training arms when he was trying to make a comeback, must have been about 2002, he wasnt super huge, probly 280, I was shocked to see him, because everyone was saying hes washed up................it was cool to see him, bc he soon died later............I use to see trevor smith when he was 400, before he died.......this was when I was coming back up, I didnt get big by golds venice standards until about 2003, because I hadnt trained serious for a while........ohh aaron baker is kind of an asshole, the coolest pros............are..... ..forgive me.....craig titus and I use to talk about stuff.........ronnie coleman is cool.......and flex wheeler is a great guy........there are a ton of other people I use to talk to and stuff but you know........thats the past.........ohhh rick valente is the coolest and great guy also...he vouched for me at golds at times when management would harrass me for training hard, and charles glass would too.

Harass you for training hard?  Were you making noises or dropping weights?  I remember Trevor.  I met him at the O expo a couple times.  Cool fella and huge.  He had an awesome board.  How was Aaron an asshole? LOL @ Titus being cool.  He had charm and charisma but I'd never turn my back to him.
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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2010, 01:29:16 PM »
Everyone's saying that DH's posing and presentation was off. The pics don't tell the full story.

Very true, on pictures alone we have no idea how good their posing routine was, but how much weight does the routine carry? I really have no idea, perhaps Chick can enlighten us. Can having a far superior posing routine make up for having less conditioning or symetry? i am being totally serious here and honestly appreciate your answer.
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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2010, 01:34:22 PM »
Very true, on pictures alone we have no idea how good their posing routine was, but how much weight does the routine carry? I really have no idea, perhaps Chick can enlighten us. Can having a far superior posing routine make up for having less conditioning or symetry? i am being totally serious here and honestly appreciate your answer.

I've never known a posing routine to make any difference. Ronnie was winning the posing round against the likes of Flex, Kevin and Shawn during his Mr. Olympia reign, and he completely sucked at posing and routines were brutally awful. In the past, whoever the judges want to win usually win the posing round too. Go figure.

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #113 on: July 25, 2010, 03:27:39 PM »
IFBB judging = WWE fights.


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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #115 on: July 25, 2010, 04:53:14 PM »
Originally Posted by Jude2 
I don't think Jose claims to be natural anymore. He got the win and he is in the mix with the best 202's in the World.



That is correct - but he won national titles 6X in 4 different wt classes when he was natural, both at tested and non-tested national shows.
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That's Ron Harris talking, not Jose, and it's not even an admission.

Look at this mother fucker of a thread, where Ron says he believe Raymond to be natural:

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=65369

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #116 on: July 25, 2010, 05:54:27 PM »
its well know in the industry that bob dont care about helping the athletes or making sure they get judged correctly
he could give a flying fajita
as long as hes got his fancy bsn contract and his penthouse and rickty old treadmill then hes happy
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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #117 on: July 25, 2010, 06:04:10 PM »
This is one of the biggest loads of garbage i've read.  Bob, get in touch with reality.  There are times when a clear winner is not easily seen, but in this case, it was like comparing arnold swarzenegger to vince goodrum.  There is no way to "swing" it either way depending on the "day".  Thats a load of crap. 

You should NOT be an athletes rep.  You represent everything thats wrong with bodybuilding, and you have the spine of a freakin jelly fish.  Stand up and show some integrity for once.  David Henry was the CLEAR winner.  There is no way to "explain" it away.  anyone with eyes can see this.  You have zero honesty or integrity when it comes to these matters, and shouldn't be representing the athletes.  they'll probably tell david henry, "well, you should have sucked more cock and maybe you would have won".....  what a joke bbing is now days. 


That's so true and beautifully said .

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #118 on: July 25, 2010, 06:07:10 PM »
its well know in the industry that bob dont care about helping the athletes or making sure they get judged correctly
he could give a flying fajita
as long as hes got his fancy bsn contract and his penthouse and rickty old treadmill then hes happy
Has Chick ever answered any of your BSN supplement questions Gene? I know you have asked multiple times.

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #119 on: July 25, 2010, 06:13:49 PM »
Has Chick ever answered any of you BSN supplement questions Gene? I know you have asked multiple times.
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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #120 on: July 25, 2010, 06:16:01 PM »
No matter from which angle you see it, Bob Chick is pathetic.

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #121 on: July 25, 2010, 06:24:02 PM »
Bob,

Can you post a copy of the police report?  Dave Henry was clearly robbed.

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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #122 on: July 25, 2010, 06:25:30 PM »
Bob, are you going to stand for this? The people are fed up and demand answers. Chaos is among us and the volcano is ready to explode! Now's the time to unleash your superior wit and intelligence



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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #123 on: July 25, 2010, 06:30:45 PM »
Bob, are you going to stand for this? The people are fed up and demand answers. Chaos is among us and the volcano is ready to explode! Now's the time to unleash your superior wit and intelligence



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Re: Chick speak on this , Dave Henry got robbed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #124 on: July 25, 2010, 06:34:25 PM »
To say Dave Henry got robbed is an understatement. WTF, judges?!  >:(

I know bodybuilding is really subjective, but geezus! Dave was the clear winner right there!