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Journolist debates making its coordination with Obama explicit
By Jonathan Strong - The Daily Caller   3:12 AM 07/26/2010
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/26/journolist-debates-making-its-coordination-with-obama-explicit/print/

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Sarah Palin’s speech to the 2008 Republican convention impressed more than a few doubters, including even some members of Journolist, an online community for liberal journalists.

“This speech is gangbusters,” wrote Ari Melber of the Nation. “Her tone is pitch perfect.” Adele Stan of the Media Consortium agreed: “Palin is golden.”

The exuberance appeared to unnerve the Guardian’s Michael Tomasky. “People get a hold of yourselves!” Tomasky wrote to his fellow Journolisters. “It’s a very good speech with good lines. But there’s very little substance.”

Rebecca Traister of Salon wrote to say she was grateful for Tomasky’s message discipline. (“This is a reassuring sentiment, since at the moment, I feel like we’re in End Times.”) But the rest of the country apparently didn’t agree. Polls a few days later showed Obama’s lead in the race had narrowed to virtually nothing.

Palin’s speech had been remarkably effective. This troubled members of Journolist. On Sept. 8, 2008, five days after Palin’s national debut, some members of the group discussed producing coordinated propaganda designed to wound Palin and boost Obama.

At an appearance in Colorado immediately following the convention, Palin had remarked that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive for the taxpayers,” a point that seems commonplace now, but that at the time struck some as controversial.

Ryan Avent, then blogging for the Economist, now an editor there, complained that Obama’s supporters were missing a chance to attack. “If we were the GOP, we’d be taking this opportunity to shout long and loud how unprepared Palin is—‘She doesn’t even know what Fannie and Freddie are…in the middle of a housing crisis!’….That’s the difference in the game as played by us and by them.”

Michael Tomasky responded: “So why aren’t Dems doing that? Just wundrin’.”

Luke Mitchell, then a senior editor at Harper’s magazine, asked Tomasky if his paper would be able to help: “Michael – Isn’t this something that can be fanned a bit by, say, the Guardian?”

Tomasky didn’t think it would work. “The Guardian? You’re kidding right? Remember the Clark County letters?” he wrote, referring to a failed attempt by the Guardian to elect John Kerry in 2004 by asking Britons to write letters to voters in a pivotal Ohio county.

Mitchell replied: “Fair enough! But it seems to me that a concerted effort on the part of the left partisan press could be useful. Why geld ourselves? A lot of the people on this list work for organizations that are far more influential than, say, the Washington Times.

“Open question: Would it be a good use of this list to co-ordinate a message of the week along the lines of the GOP? Or is that too loathsome? It certainly sounds loathsome. But so does losing!”

Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, the founder of Journolist, quickly jumped in: “Nope, no message coordination. I’m not even sure that would be legal. This is a discussion list, though, and I want it to retain that character,” he wrote.

Mitchell replied: “Fair enough, Ezra! The list is great at as it is and I didn’t mean to suggest anything out of bounds. I am still curious about the reluctance of the left media to organize, though. The message discipline on the right seems to be one of its key advantages.”

David Roberts of Grist seemed to scold Roberts for his idea: “Just read past messages on this list, Luke. Everyone here is a /journalist /or an /independent analyst/. Their job is to /say what they think/, not to support Obama. Suggest that they focus on more electorally helpful — and equally true — messages, and they will bridle.”

Yet almost immediately after writing these words, Roberts sounded somewhat less than independent himself, referring to the Obama campaign as “we”: “I’m not bashing,” he wrote. “I’m guilty too. I just despair. We’re going to lose again, for all the same damn reasons.”

Ed Kilgore of the Progressive Policy Institute, another supposedly “independent analyst,” did the same, even outlining specific, campaign-approved talking points: “It requires no particular strategic genius or ‘message coordination’ to recognize that we and the Obama campaign have the next two months to demonstrate that McCain and Palin represent the status quo party, the status quo ideology, and status quo policies,” he wrote.

While other members of the group debated whether to coordinate a pro-Obama message – or, more precisely, whether to concede that such a message was being coordinated — Todd Gitlin of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism had already made up his mind. Gitlin, whose job is to train the next generation of America’s most elite journalists, wrote this impassioned plea on behalf of the Obama campaign:

“On the question of liberals coordinating, what the hell’s wrong with some critical mass of liberal bloggers & journalists saying the following among themselves:

“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.

“Repeat after me:

“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.

“These people are cynical. These people are taking you for a ride. These people are fakes. These people love Bush.

“Again. And again. Vary the details. There are plenty. Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.

“I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not waiting for any coordination. Get on with it!”

In an interview, Gitlin conceded he was noting the “features of McCain and Palin most worthy of highlighting towards the end of defeating them.” He denied that he had ever advocated “bending facts” to get Obama elected, however. According to Gitlin, everything he said was factually true.



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1.  These are the same communist fags who shilled ObamaCare & Stim Bill

2.  Sarah, as it turned out again, was 100000000000000000% correct about Fannie/Freddy while these little commisars of the left were proven wrong again. 

3.  These are the same little limp wristed fairies who complain about Fox News being biased. 



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and before interviews they slip her stupid pills :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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MIND YOU SARAH WAS 1000% CORRECT ON THE FANNY FREDDY SITUATION WHILE THESE HACK COMMIES ARE CLUELESS. 

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Raw Journolist emails on ‘Palin’s first miscue’
By The Daily Caller 3:47 AM 07/26/2010
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Adam Doster
Sept 8, 2008, 2:18pm

Misunderstanding housing policy in the midst of a major housing crisis …

Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential

nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers.” The companies, as McClatchy reported , “aren’t taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in
a taxpayer bailout during reorganization.”

Now, you can all jump on me about how I’m “underestimating VP Palin.” But really? The HuffPo hed is misleading ­ this is not a “gaffe”, it just shows her policy vapidness. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a lot more of these over the next two months.

Adam

Adam Serwer
Sept 8, 2008, 2:19pm

But she’s so AUTHENTIC! Authentic non-elitist Americans don’t worry about this stuff, they worry about how to teach their kids how to shoot m-16s and use withdrawal as birth control.

Harold Pollack
Sept 8, 2008, 2:22pm

That quote is too general to be damaging. It would take Dean or Doug Holtz-Eakin about 30 seconds to interpret Palin’s comment in a policy-plausible way.

Adele Stan
Sept 8, 2008, 2:37pm

this is not a gaffe. it’s more likely a lie. suits her big-govt-out-to-screw-ya narrative. and harold’s right; this is too easy for the average voter to accept.

don’t mistake palin as a stupid hick. she’s pretty smart..

Dana Goldstein
Sept 8, 2008, 2:42pm

Agree with Harold. And what’s more, this is something McCain or any other Republican (Romney) would totally say. Sure, they got too big and dependent ­ dependent on the taxpayers for a bailout. We may not agree with the ideology behind the statement, but it’s no proof of Palin’s particular ignorance.

Harold Pollack
Sept 8, 2008, 2:44pm

On Adele’s “hick” front, I would emphasize that it’s Palin’s small-mindedness, not her small-town roots, we find so appalling. Hubert Humphrey hailed from Wallace, South Dakota, Harry Truman from Lamar, Missouri, Jimmy Carter from Plains, Georgia.John Edwards, etc.

Ezra Klein
Sept 8, 2008, 2:46pm

I think you are all reading the quote too closely and giving the context too little weight. When McCain gave the first part of his speech before Walter Reed High, it was fine. If Obama had done it, it would’ve ended the election. Similarly, Palin can’t be seen to be unaware of what shes talking about right now, even if the actual issue is technical. The subject, in other words, is only important so much as it gives folks time to talk about the deeper failing.

Ryan Avent
Sept 8, 2008, 2:54pm

Agreed. If we were the GOP, we’d be taking this opportunity to shout long and loud how unprepared Palin is–”*She doesn’t even know what Fannie and Freddie are..in the middle of a housing crisis! Of course she’s learning from the ‘master’, who thinks a housing crisis means having to fire the staff at one of his seven mansions.”* The actual content of the quote wouldn’t matter, nor would the probably reasonable defense mounted by her supporters.

That’s the difference in the game as played by us and by them.

Michael Tomasky
Sept 8, 2008, 2:58pm

So why aren’t Dems doing that? Just wundrin’

Michael Kazin
Sept 8, 2008, 3:00pm

They seem to have been infected by Kerryitis, one hopes in a milder strain. More town meetings in Western PA ain’t gonna cut it…

Kathleen Geier
Sept 8, 2008, 3:01pm

I’m unsure. Her ignorance is alarming, and I’d like to think it would make voters worry about whether she’s really up to the job.

On the other hand, the GOP obviously takes great pride in being the stupid party. And hey ­ it’s worked!

If we made an issue of this, not sure if it would be a winner or a loser.

Luke Mitchell
Sept 8, 2008, 3:03pm

Michael – Isn’t this something that can be fanned a bit by, say, the Guardian?

Robert Kuttner
Sept 8, 2008, 2:03pm

Yes, but they just take every opportunity to play hardball, and too often our folks play beanbag.

Michael Tomasky
Sept 8, 2008, 3:05pm

I now think the whole Palin narrative is a loser for D’s. If she doesn’t flub up, she was underestimated and she’s brilliant and the Dems were sneering elitists. If she does flub ub, it’s the liberal media that was out to get her from the start.

Keep the firepower aimed at McCain, get the story back on him. If something *big* comes out about her, fine. Until then, maybe try to catch her in the Bridge lie, but otherwise leave her alone.

Michael Tomasky
Sept 8, 2008, 3:06pm

The Guardian? You’re kidding right? Remember the Clark County letters?

David Roberts
Sept 8, 2008, 3:08pm

“That’s the difference in the game as played by us and by them.”

Namely, we suck at it and we always lose, even when historical circumstances are overwhelmingly in our favor. God, can’t this thing just be over.

Katha Pollitt
Sept 8, 2008, 3:11pm

I don’t understand this. i thought this time, the Dems got it about needing to be aggressive. obama said over and over he wasn’t going to be a patsy. How come we get it and they don’t????? If the Dems lose this by being too lofty, I will become a Buddhist nun. there will really be no point to all the work and effort and hysteria we go through every four years. Obama, remember, is supposed to be this fabulously talented politician. So???

Adele Stan
Sept 8, 2008, 3:12pm

I think turning the story back to McCain now that Palin’s in the mix is almost wishful thinking.

Luke Mitchell
Sept 8, 2008, 3:15pm

Re: Clark County Letters, fair enough! But it seems to me that a concerted effort on the part of the left partisan press could be useful. Why geld ourselves? A lot of the people on this list work for organizations that are far more influential than, say, the Washington Times. Open question: Would it be a good use of this list to co-ordinate a message of the week along the lines of the GOP. Or is that too loathsome? It certainly sounds loathsome. But so does losing!


Ezra Klein
Sept 8, 2008, 3:18pm

Nope, no message coordination. I’m not even sure that would be legal.
This is a discussion list, though, and I want it to retain that character.

Katha Pollitt
Sept 8, 2008, 3:20pm

I think what you say is kind of like, “ignore the swiftboaters, you only lend them credibility by taking them on.” Palin matters because she is in the spotlight. She’s the celebrity. she’s the personality kid!

We can’t be passive. she won’t destroy herself ­ her flubs will be explained away or equated with slips by the Dems or rebraned as amusing foible (like GWB’s “Grecians”) and the charlie gibson media will go along.

Michael Cohen
Sept 8, 2008, 3:14pm

Adam, in an ideal world this would be a big deal, but don’t you know by now that the GOP operates under different rules. For example, John McCain said this in January and no one batted an eye:

“People talk about a stimulus package. Fine, if that’s what we want to come up with. But stop the spending first.”

For a guy who has spent 26 years in DC you would think that he would understand the basic tenets of fiscal policy or the role of government spending in serving as an economic stimulus . . . but alas he does not.

So really this is pretty minimal stuff . . .

Luke Mitchell
Sept 8, 2008, 3:23pm

Fair enough, Ezra! The list is great at as it is and I didn’t mean to suggest anything out of bounds. I am still curious about the reluctance of the left media to organize, though. The message discipline on the right seems to be one of its key advantages.

Adam Dorster
Sept 8, 2008, 3:31pm

I was only pointing out the line because I thought it telling, not questioning why it wasn’t considered a big deal or advocating for people to throw down the gauntlet about it. I know in the grand scheme of things it’s small potatoes and can be easily explained away. But I honestly believe that in this election cycle, she and McCain will pay for their shallowness. I don’t know why. I have no reason to believe so. Just a hunch.

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David Roberts
Sept 8, 2008, 3:34pm

Just read past messages on this list, Luke. Everyone here is a /journalist /or an /independent analyst/. Their job is to /say what they think/, not to support Obama. Suggest that they focus on more electorally helpful ­ and equally true ­ messages, and they will bridle.

There simply is nothing on the left like the partisan media on the right. The left has no media soldiers, only ironically distanced media observers. “Dems should do this. Dems should do that. Why isn’t Obama saying this? Why isn’t Obama saying that?” All from a great height, with great detachment.

I’m not bashing. I’m guilty too. I just despair. We’re going to lose again, for all the same damn reasons.

Katha Pollitt
Sept 8, 2008, 3:41pm

Well, Okay, j-list isn’t the place. But people who think message discipline is a good idea can start another list, and promote the weekly message there.

Jaana Goodrich
Sept 8, 2008, 3:57pm

Four More Years. Four More Years. Four More Years.

That’s what I would use against McCain’s attempts to capture Obama’s message of change. Use the message that really drives the Republicans and show it to the voters.

Ed Kilgore
Sept 8, 2008, 4:18pm

I agree with Jaana, in a bit more detail. All this wailing and gnashing of teeth about Palin getting away with something Obama couldn’t get away with, or the net convention bounce, or insufficient message-coordination in the progressive media, obscures the giant, unmistakable, uncomplicated bullseye McCain has now painted on his back with indelible ink: The Maverick Meme. Look at the latest McCain ad: he and Palin are identified as “fighting the Republicans” and “fighting oil companies and drug companies.” You’d never know they were GOPers, or supported virtually all of Bush policies (except for those they oppose FROM THE RIGHT) from these ads.

It requires no particular strategic genius or “message coordination” to recognize that we and the Obama campaign have the next two months to demonstrate that McCain and Palin represent the status quo party, the status quo ideology, and status quo policies. That is not terribly difficult. If it doesn’t work, then I think we have to begin
to consider the possibility that the country actually wants another conservative administration led by someone less despicable or incompetent than George Bush. Either way, I don’t think day-to-day tactical brilliance is that critical, and I also doubt that all of us grinding away at the same tactical talking points like cicadas matters much, either. Either McCain pulls off the “maverick” deception, or he loses. Everything else is secondary, IMO.

Ed Kilgore
Sept 8, 2008, 4:28pm

Just to make my point completely clear, if you made me Progressive Message Czar for today, I’d order everyone to link to Toles’ cartoon from yesterday. It says everything important that needs to be said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles…;

Greg Anrig
Sept 8, 2008, 4:37pm

Plus the cartoon has the added virtue of being funny. Remember that bit where Obama made fun of the Republicans for taking pride in being ignorant about the tire pressure gauges? He and Biden could easily make the Toles idea a riff in their stump speeches. It’s the right message and the one they’ve been making. They just need to stick to it and try to find new, clever, funny ways to keep hammering away at it. And in the process make it clear that McCain is even more dangerous than Bush.

Nico Pitney
Sept 8, 2008, 4:41pm

Obama took your advice to heart…

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/a_good_line_but.html

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*A good line, but not Obama’s*

Scott Helman

Boston Globe’s Political Intelligence Blog

September 8, 2008

Campaigning in Terre Haute, Ind. on Saturday, Barack Obama, mocking claims by John McCain and Sarah Palin that they will challenge their Republican Party if elected, got off a pretty good line. “Maybe what they’re saying is, ‘Watch out George Bush,’” Obama said with sarcasm, according to NBC News. “Except for economic policies, and tax policies, and energy policies, and health care policies, and education policies, and Karl Rove-style politics ­ except for all that, we’re really going to bring change to Washington! We’re really going to shake things up!”

It wasn’t Obama’s line, though. It came from Washington Post cartoonist Tom Toles, whose cartoon Friday featured these words along with a drawing of McCain and Sarah Palin in front of the White House: “Watch out, Mr. Bush! With the exception of economic policy and energy policy and social issues and tax policy and foreign policy and Supreme Court appointments and Rove-style politics, we’re coming in there to shake things up!” (See the cartoon here.)

Asked about the borrowing, Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Obama used Toles’s lines unwittingly, after being alerted to them by a friend who didn’t mention the source.

“This came to Senator Obama from a friend who didn’t indicate where he had gotten it from, but the questions it raises certainly continue to ring true,” Psaki said in an email. “He did not know it was from a cartoon and now that he does he will certainly credit the cartoonist.”

In fact, the campaign says, Obama used the line again while campaiging today in Michigan, this time crediting the “cartoon in The Washington Post.”

Greg Anrig
Sept 8, 2008, 4:44pm

And of course the Globe turns it into a story about plagiarism!

Adam Serwer
Sept 8, 2008, 4:45pm

well of course, dems are all big phonies.

Adam Serwer
Sept 8, 2008, 4:46pm

it’s not like the mccain campaign stole their theme of “change” from anyone else this election cycle.

Ed Kilgore
Sept 8, 2008, 5:01pm

Well, the Obama follow-up should be: “Sometimes it takes a cartoon to fight a cartoon, and the real cartoon is the latest ad from my opponents, which claims they are ‘the original mavericks’ who’ve devoted themselves to criticizing Republicans and fighting oil and drug companies. Daffy Duck is the only character who could approve
that message.”

Todd Gitlin
Sept 8, 2008, 9:37pm

On the question of liberals coordinating, what the hell’s wrong with some critical mass of liberal bloggers & journalists saying the following among themselves:

McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot
party that trashes America.

Repeat after me:

McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot
party that trashes America.

These people are cynical. These people are taking you for a ride. These people are fakes. These people love Bush.

Again. And again. Vary the details. There are plenty. Somebody on the ‘list posted a strong list of McCain lies earlier today. Hammer it. Philosophize, as Nietzsche said, with a hammer.

I don’t know about any of you, but I’m not waiting for any coordination. Get on with it!

Lindsay Beyerstein
Sept 8, 2008, 11:00pm

I bet it was a mistake born of ignorance.

If she knew the truth, then she also knew that she would appear to be making an elementary mistake which could damage her credibility with anyone who cares about these issues, Republicans as well as Democrats.

There are plenty of merely spurious or misleading things she could have said about Fannie and Freddie that would have been just as ideologically satisfying and harder to debunk.

Adele Stan
Sept 8, 2008, 11:04pm

I really doubt that.

Lindsay Beyerstein
Sept 8, 2008, 11:37pm

If she knew perfectly well that Fannie and Freddie were private companies, why would she go out of her way to lie in a way that made her look stupid?

If she knew what she was talking about, she wouldn’t have had to resort to such an obvious falsehood to advance her narrative.

Palin got savaged on the gubernatorial campaign trail for her shaky grasp of economics. One of her opponents in that race characterized her statements about the state budget as “gibberish.”

Rick Perlstein
Sept 9, 2008, 10:02am

I suspect there’s a heavy Shock Doctrine/Predator State angle to the takeover that hasn’t been explored–that the right sees taking over F and F as a prelude to selling them off. Already, one of my wingnuts sent me a triumphant email claiming that this is one more pillar of the New Deal the conservative movement has now pulled down. Sarah might be setting up that kind of interpretation when she says F&F equal “Big Government.”


Enough said. ::)
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No, its only a coincidence that these people are sang and sing the exact same tune on every issue, on cue, and provide the echo chamber forthe DNC. 

What's funny is that they are complaining about an alleged gaffe of Palin, when she had the issue 100% correct and those fools were wrong as usual.   

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No, its only a coincidence that these people are sang and sing the exact same tune on every issue, on cue, and provide the echo chamber forthe DNC. 

That NEVER happens on the right.... ::) Give me a fuckin break.

What's funny is that they are complaining about an alleged gaffe of Palin, when she had the issue 100% correct and those fools were wrong as usual.   

Alleged????? for a lawyer you should be familiar with that word and the meaning of it. Palin's gaffes are not hearsay, they are taped and recorded, words that come straight out of her retarded mouth.Note the use of word "mouth" since she doesn't have a brain to filter words first. ;D

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333 once again bro you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.  Quit lying like crazy. 
Abandon every hope...

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333 once again bro you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.  Quit lying like crazy. 

What the hell are you talking about?  These idiots are formulating the talking points for the media and then providing them to the democrats for support. 

Joe Bidens' aide is in this group.

And this thread of theirs just shows how ignorant these communists/progressives/socialists/liberals are on economics since Palin was correct on the role of Fanny Freddy in the meltdown.   

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and before interviews they slip her stupid pills :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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"Alleged" gaffes.. ;D

The alleged gaffe these little commisars were alluding to was the role Palin claimed Fanny Freddy played in the housing meltdown. 

These little uneducated dorks said it did not have a role, while in fact it/they played an essential role in the meltdown, just as Palin claimed.

Sorry to rain on your little parade Danny in showing how Palin got something right again when these "esteemed, policy wonk, uber-educated, journalists" like klein et al were again proven wrong. 

This is now three for three.  These idiots shilled for Obamacare, the Stim Bill, and now this, each of which they collectively got wrong.     

 

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This is now three for three.  These idiots shilled for Obamacare, the Stim Bill, and now this, each of which they collectively got wrong.     

Right/wrong?

You think they care about the truth?

Nope... they care about getting their agenda passed.  Results do the talking... and Obama is passing everything he (and they) desire. 

If you're a lazy asshat on social security enjoying methodone clinic services and food stamps, then yes, whatever these d-bags do is "right".

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Right/wrong?

You think they care about the truth?

Nope... they care about getting their agenda passed.  Results do the talking... and Obama is passing everything he (and they) desire. 

If you're a lazy asshat on social security enjoying methodone clinic services and food stamps, then yes, whatever these d-bags do is "right".

240 - you watch MSNBC so you know exactly what I mean when I say this. 

I'm referring to the fact that these "journalists" like krugman, Klein, et al went on all the shows and shilled for Obamacare claiming that it was affordable, paid for, etc etc, citing bogus CBO numbers we all knew were nonsense, and then all of a sudden went silent as soon as the CBO came out afterwards saying that most of the critics were right about the bogus math and the yes, rationing panels in ObamaCare.  Where were all the retractions and apologies, and follow ups after these people were all proven wrong?  Nowhere, because it was never about the bills or agenda, but shilling for obama and the Dems. 

They did it with Rev. Wright, the Stim Bill, Cap & Trade, the UE extension, etc. 

These people are not journalists, but highly paid DNC hacks.     

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The alleged gaffe these little commisars were alluding to was the role Palin claimed Fanny Freddy played in the housing meltdown. 

These little uneducated dorks said it did not have a role, while in fact it/they played an essential role in the meltdown, just as Palin claimed.

Sorry to rain on your little parade Danny in showing how Palin got something right again when these "esteemed, policy wonk, uber-educated, journalists" like klein et al were again proven wrong. 

This is now three for three.  These idiots shilled for Obamacare, the Stim Bill, and now this, each of which they collectively got wrong.     

 


I think Palin brings a lot of shit onto herself and quitting didn't help her image.  But some of this shit is just retarded obessionism at it's finest.  Crying about "Sweettooth" vs "Sugartooth"?  ::)

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Yes, but this particular thing they are harping on is not a small trivial issue, it goes to the heart of why we are in this mess, why things are not getting better, and why things wont get any better so long as we have so called journalists who actually believe the nonsense in these emails. 

They are lying to the public, deceiving the public, and spreading absolutel falsehoods under the cloak of objectivity when in fact the reality is that they are nothing but highly paid dorks and flaks for the DNC. 

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EZRA KLEIN is only 25 Y/O and the media goes to this little fag for commentary and advice? 

Even worse, this idiot shilled ObamaCare and other obama scams and was taken seriously by other outlets. 

This jerk have never had a real job, probably never had any responsibilities whatsoever, and is utterly clueless about the effects of the garbage is is advocating for. 

typical lib.   

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Journolist veers out of bounds
By: Roger Simon
www.politico.com
July 28, 2010 04:36 AM EDT

 
This may be the most embarrassing thing I have ever written — and looking back on my writing, there is a lot of competition for that dubious distinction — but when I became a reporter, it was almost a holy calling.

We really believed we were doing good. We informed the public and helped make democracy work. We exposed wrongdoing wherever we found it. We reported without fear or favor. As a columnist, I tried to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

I warned you that this would be embarrassing.

We loved what we did, and we did it with passion. We were proud. We felt — I am just going to go ahead and say it — honorable.

There were wrongdoers. Fakers, plagiarists, those with private agendas who wished to slant the news. When found, they were often fired. Even when they were subjected to a lesser punishment, their sins were made clear as a lesson to the rest of us. (At a few papers, those who wished to slant the news were publishers or editors who wished to please their publishers. They were rarely fired. But their numbers were few.)

The lines were not muddy. You played it straight. Even if you were a columnist and allowed to publish your opinions, you were expected to be fair and accurate.

At the end of the day, you often went home feeling good. And when people asked what you did, you replied with pride, not shame.

It was, as I said, almost a holy calling. (And often accompanied by a vow of poverty.)

Somewhere along the way, things have gone terribly wrong. Journalism has become a toy, an electronic plaything. I do not blame technology. The giant megaphone of technology has been coupled with a new, angrier, more destructive age. (Yes, you can find extremely angry, extremely partisan times in our past, but I always thought the goal was to progress over the centuries, not regress.)

Until recently, there was a semisecret, off-the-record organization called Journolist. It was a listserv, which is a bunch of people who sign up (if allowed) and then get the same e-mails and can reply to everybody on the list.

Journolist was founded by Ezra Klein in early 2007, when he was 22 and working for the liberal publication The American Prospect. Klein continued running it when he went to The Washington Post in 2009. The Post is a mainstream publication, but Journolist was limited to those “from nonpartisan to liberal, center to left.”

Klein determined who would get on Journolist — political reporters, academics, think tank members, left-wing bloggers — and it grew from a manageable 30 members to a pretty unmanageable 400. There was no censorship, but if Klein felt you had gone too far, he would tell you to stop it. You could be threatened with expulsion, but nobody was ever expelled.

The first story revealing the existence of Journolist was printed by POLITICO in March 2009, but while the names of a few members (including three people at POLITICO) were revealed, and some talked about it, most would not. (I was never a member and learned about it when the public did.) No actual e-mails were printed.


Recently, however, the conservative website The Daily Caller, run by Tucker Carlson, got hold of many Journolist e-mails and printed the most provocative, which to some gave every appearance of a left-wing conspiracy to slant news coverage in favor of Barack Obama. Journolist posts by Washington Post blogger Dave Weigel, who was helping cover the conservative movement, that were critical of conservative icons, including Matt Drudge, prompted Weigel to resign.

The result was explosive, and Klein closed down Journolist, while denying there was anything evil about it. “If people had been getting together and deciding on a message and then publishing that message, that would have been clearly unethical, and I would not have allowed it, and it didn’t happen,” Klein told me Tuesday.

Tucker Carlson e-mailed me: “What they did discredits journalism in general, and honorable liberal journalists in particular. I know plenty of progressives who have a healthy skepticism even of candidates they voted for. Most of the members of Journolist didn’t.”

In any case, the hubbub is now virtually over. The buzz is done buzzing, and the media have moved on from Journolist to WikiLeaks.

And yet some are still troubled.

Chuck Todd, political director and chief White House correspondent for NBC News, who was not part of Journolist, told me this:

“I am sure Ezra had good intentions when he created it, but I am offended the right is using this as a sledgehammer against those of us who don’t practice activist journalism.

“Journolist was pretty offensive. Those of us who are mainstream journalists got mixed in with journalists with an agenda. Those folks who thought they were improving journalism are destroying the credibility of journalism.

“This has kept me up nights. I try to be fair. It’s very depressing.”

I know how he feels. Klein appears to be a very honorable guy, but I think he created a Frankenstein monster without meaning to do so. I vowed I would never pine for the Good Old Days — I believe the Good Old Days are ahead of us — but let me end with the words of Stanley Walker. He was a famous newspaper editor in the 1920s and ’30s and wrote the following, which I have edited for space. (And if he were writing today, I am reasonably sure he would have included women.)

“What makes a good newspaperman? The answer is easy. He knows everything. He is aware not only of what goes on in the world today, but his brain is a repository of the accumulated wisdom of the ages.

“He hates lies and meanness and sham, but keeps his temper. He is loyal to his paper and to what he looks upon as his profession; whether it is a profession or merely a craft, he resents attempts to debase it.

“When he dies, a lot of people are sorry, and some of them remember him for several days.”

Or at least for several news cycles.

Roger Simon is POLITICO’s chief political columnist.
 

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Palin supported tarp.  said it was imperative that it passed.  how the hell was that "sarah saw this coming"?

WTF