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Re: Get out, leave.
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2010, 04:57:44 AM »
where is the blame for the companies and corporations that have enabled them here.  If you think most of them have come up here to mow lawns then you're an idiot.  By far it's been established business and often big corporations who have enabled illegals here in America.  So look at it from an illegal's point of view.  There's a demand for them.  Of course they're going to fill it. There are American companies asking for them to be here and work for them.  Do we blame them or do we blame those quietly demanding them?

Just to up and tell them to get out speaks to a massive lack of understanding of the problem.  The entire problem needs to be seen and addressed before it can be fixed.  Only dipshits simplify matters like this.  There's much more involved than, "get out"

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« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2010, 06:38:24 AM »
where is the blame for the companies and corporations that have enabled them here.  If you think most of them have come up here to mow lawns then you're an idiot.  By far it's been established business and often big corporations who have enabled illegals here in America.  So look at it from an illegal's point of view.  There's a demand for them.  Of course they're going to fill it. There are American companies asking for them to be here and work for them.  Do we blame them or do we blame those quietly demanding them?

Just to up and tell them to get out speaks to a massive lack of understanding of the problem.  The entire problem needs to be seen and addressed before it can be fixed.  Only dipshits simplify matters like this.  There's much more involved than, "get out"
just blaming the employers and thinking that going after them will fix the problem is also a massive lack of understanding of the problem. Employers will simply wiggle around the laws passed, they will make all employees "independent contractors" in which they are not responsible for just like they do in the construction industry...

we have to secure the border, target employers and target illegals doing only one or two of the three will garuntee we fail in this.

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« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2010, 01:42:38 PM »
Employers have already been targeted.   ::)  It is as simple as "get the heck out."  Go to the back of the line.  Do it the right way. 

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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2010, 01:55:20 PM »
Employers have already been targeted.   ::)  It is as simple as "get the heck out."  Go to the back of the line.  Do it the right way. 

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Have they?  How so, and to what extent?  I read an article from a couple of years ago that says otherwise.

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« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2010, 02:02:01 PM »
Beach Bum,

Have they?  How so, and to what extent?  I read an article from a couple of years ago that says otherwise.

Loco here is a thread I created a little while back:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=343007.0

I doubt Hawaii is the only state in the country to pass laws like this. 

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« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2010, 02:17:13 PM »
Loco here is a thread I created a little while back:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=343007.0

I doubt Hawaii is the only state in the country to pass laws like this. 

Yes, I saw that when you first posted it.  I think that's a great move on Hawaii's part, but what about the rest of the country?  Here is the article I was talking about.  It's four years old, but nothing I've read indicates that things have changed for the better.

Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

The government's steady retreat from workplace enforcement in the 20 years since it became illegal to hire undocumented workers is the result of fierce political pressure from business lobbies, immigrant rights groups and members of Congress, according to law enforcement veterans. Punishing employers also was de-emphasized as the government recognized that it lacks the tools to do the job well, and as the Department of Homeland Security shifted resources to combat terrorism.

The administration says it is learning from past failures, and switching to a strategy of building more criminal cases, instead of relying on ineffective administrative fines or pinprick raids against individual businesses by outnumbered agents.

It is seeking more resources to sanction employers, toughen penalties and finally set up a reliable system -- first proposed in 1981 -- to verify the eligibility of workers. That would allow the government to hold employers accountable for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.

The Homeland Security Department also is seeking access to Social Security Administration records of workers whose numbers and names don't match -- access that has long been blocked by privacy concerns.

Still, in light of the government's record, experts on all sides of the debate are skeptical that the administration will be able to remove the job magnet that attracts illegal immigrants.

"The claims of this administration and its commitment to interior enforcement of immigration laws are laughable," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocacy group that favors tougher workplace enforcement, among other measures. "The administration only discovered immigration enforcement over the past few months, five years into its existence, and only then because they realized that a pro-enforcement pose was necessary to get their amnesty plan approved."

Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, which supports immigrant rights, agreed that enforcement has been "woefully tiny."

"Why should the public believe it, because the government hasn't done it before?" Kelley asked.

In recent months, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which succeeded the INS, has dramatically stepped up enforcement efforts. It won 127 criminal convictions last year, up from 46 in 2004, and obtained $15 million in settlements from an investigation of Wal-Mart and 12 subcontractors last fall, a spokesman said. Comparable figures before 2003 were not tracked, the agency said.

In the past few months, ICE has led several high-profile actions: against a Houston-based pallet-services company, Maryland restaurateurs and Kentucky homebuilders, among others. The activity marks a pronounced shift in emphasis, after increasing bipartisan criticism.

However, experts say the linchpin of comprehensive new enforcement plans -- developing an electronic employment-eligibility verification system to replace the paper I-9 forms used for two decades -- is years from being ready. Meanwhile, a cottage industry of document fraud and identity theft will continue, they say.

While most of the government's get-tough rhetoric has focused on people illegally crossing the border, others noted, about 40 percent of the nearly 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States entered the country legally on visas and simply stayed. That means they probably can be caught only at work.

Major work-site crackdowns have run into trouble in the past. A spring 1998 sweep that targeted the Vidalia onion harvest in Georgia, and Operation Vanguard, a 1999 clampdown on meatpacking plants in Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota, provide case studies of how the government fared when confronted by a coalition that included low-wage immigrant workers and the industries that hire them, analysts said.

The Georgia raids netted 4,034 illegal immigrants, prompting other unauthorized workers to stay home. As the $90 million onion crop sat in the field, farmers "started screaming to their local representatives," said Bart Szafnicki, INS assistant district director for investigations in Atlanta from 1991 to 2001.

Georgia's two senators and three of its House members, led by then-Sen. Paul Coverdell (R) and Rep. Jack Kingston (R), complained in a letter to Washington that the INS did not understand the needs of America's farmers. The raids stopped.

For Operation Vanguard, the INS used a more sophisticated tactic. It subpoenaed personnel records from Midwestern meatpacking plants and checked them against INS and Social Security databases of authorized workers, then interviewed suspect employees. Of 24,148 employees checked, 4,495, or 19 percent, had dubious documents at about 40 plants in Nebraska, western Iowa and South Dakota. Of those workers, 70 percent disappeared rather than be interviewed. Of 1,042 questioned, 34 were arrested and deported.

Nebraska's members of Congress at first called for tougher enforcement, recalled Mark Reed, then INS director of operations. But when the result shut down some plants, "all hell broke loose," he said.

Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns (R), who was governor at the time, appointed a task force to oppose the operation. Former governor Ben Nelson (D), now a U.S. senator, was hired as a lobbyist by meatpackers and ranchers. Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) pressured the Justice Department to stop.

Members of Congress at first hostile to immigrants embraced "all the same people who were so repugnant to them before," Reed said, "and they prevailed." Operation Vanguard -- which was designed to expand to four states in four months and nationwide the next year, eventually including the lodging, food and construction industries -- was killed.

Congress "came to recognize that these people . . . had become a very important part of their community, churches, schools, sports, barbecues, families -- and most importantly the economy," Reed said. "You've got to be careful what you ask for."

The mention of Operation Vanguard provokes strong reactions in Omaha, where people say a similar effort today would still cause trouble.

Henry Davis, chief executive of Greater Omaha Packing Company and a third-generation meatpacker, fumes that the INS singled out Nebraska's beef industry. Davis said there is a symbiosis between his company and its workers. His business, which slaughters 2,400 cattle a day, offers free English and citizenship classes, paid vacations, health fairs and citizenship ceremonies to workers, he said.

Lourdes Gouveia, a sociologist at the University of Nebraska at Omaha who has studied the meatpacking industry for two decades, said Operation Vanguard's lessons have gone unlearned. Rather than leave the country after the crackdown, workers just changed jobs.

Meatpackers "need workers, and white Americans are not going to apply for these jobs," said Ben Salazar, a longtime activist and publisher of the newspaper Nuestro Mundo. "Immigrants know they're needed, so they will take their chances."

In an interview, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff acknowledged the administration's record but said a combination of carrots and sticks for business can work.

"It would be hard to sustain political support for vigorous work-site enforcement if you don't give employers an avenue to hire their workers in a way that is legal, because you're basically saying, 'You've got to go out of business,' " Chertoff said.

On the other hand, he said, "businesses need to understand if you don't . . . play by the rules, we're really going to come down on you. . . . That's a very powerful place to stand in resisting people who are going to push back."

Company officials who knowingly employ illegal workers can be fined and, if they continue, face jail time. Housing or harboring illegal workers or laundering money can carry long prison sentences. But the easy availability of fraudulent documents frustrates investigators, as does a law that protects businesses as long as a worker's document "appears on its face to be genuine."

Statistics show that the numbers of fines and convictions dropped sharply after 1999, with fines all but phased out except for occasional small cases. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, a 2003 memorandum issued by ICE required field offices to request approval before opening work-site cases not related to protecting "critical infrastructure," such as nuclear plants. Agents focused on removing unauthorized workers, not punishing employers.

ICE also faced a $500 million budget shortfall, and resources were shifted from traditional enforcement to investigations related to national security. Farms, restaurants and the nation's food supply chain "did not make the cut," Reed said. "We were pushed away from doing enforcement."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800613.html

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Re: Get out, leave.
« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2010, 02:39:53 PM »
LOCO what do you do about the problems i mentioned in targeting employers?


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« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2010, 02:44:15 PM »
Yes, I saw that when you first posted it.  I think that's a great move on Hawaii's part, but what about the rest of the country?  Here is the article I was talking about.  It's four years old, but nothing I've read indicates that things have changed for the better.


There are state laws all over the country targeting employers:

States try to block illegal workers
Updated 7/10/2006

By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY

At least 30 states have passed laws or taken other steps this year to crack down on illegal immigrants, often making it harder for undocumented workers to find jobs or receive public services.

STATES TAKE ACTION: A state-by-state look

Acting while Congress struggles to set policy regarding the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants, states have enacted at least 57 laws, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures and a USA TODAY analysis. Among major themes of the state legislation: fining businesses that hire undocumented workers and denying such companies public contracts if they don't verify the legal status of employees.

"The trends ... have leaned toward the punitive side," says Ann Morse, an immigration expert at the National Conference of State Legislatures. "The No. 1 topic has been employment in terms of deterring employers and employees."

Examples:

• A Colorado law enacted in June prohibits awarding state contracts to businesses that knowingly employ illegal immigrants.

• A Louisiana law approved in June subjects businesses that have state contracts and more than 10 employees to fines if they don't fire workers known to be undocumented.

• A Georgia bill enacted in April has a phased-in requirement that public employers and government contractors and subcontractors verify information on newly hired workers through a federal program.

The U.S. Senate and House have passed widely divergent immigration bills. The Senate's legislation would put most undocumented immigrants on a path to citizenship. The House bill would make illegal immigrants felons and increase penalties for hiring them.

Some lawmakers and advocates of stricter immigration enforcement say the flurry of legislation reflects states' mounting frustration with federal officials.

"State and local politicians and the grass-roots in those states are up in arms over Washington's conspicuous lack of leadership," says John Keeley, spokesman for the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter controls on immigration. "Immigration ... is a driving factor for the three biggest budget items states face: education, health care and criminal justice."

Under federal law, states must provide some services to illegal immigrants, including public education and emergency medical care. States do not have to provide commercial licenses, food assistance, health care, unemployment benefits or other services.

States' focus on workers' documentation is unfair, says Brent Wilkes, national executive director of the League of United Latin American Citizens, a civil rights group. "It feels like we're back to the days when it's OK to discriminate against minorities," he says.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-09-states-illegal-workers_x.htm

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« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2010, 03:53:12 PM »
Illegals don't come here for jobs, they come here for public assistance handouts.

There are more of them on food stamps than on payrolls.

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« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2010, 12:25:11 PM »
Illegals don't come here for jobs, they come here for public assistance handouts.

There are more of them on food stamps than on payrolls.

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« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2010, 10:23:26 AM »
Illegals don't come here for jobs, they come here for public assistance handouts.

There are more of them on food stamps than on payrolls.

Any data out there to back that up?

Curious.

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« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2010, 07:45:36 AM »
There are state laws all over the country targeting employers:

States try to block illegal workers
Updated 7/10/2006

By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY

At least 30 states have passed laws or taken other steps this year to crack down on illegal immigrants, often making it harder for undocumented workers to find jobs or receive public services.

STATES TAKE ACTION: A state-by-state look

Acting while Congress struggles to set policy regarding the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants, states have enacted at least 57 laws, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures and a USA TODAY analysis. Among major themes of the state legislation: fining businesses that hire undocumented workers and denying such companies public contracts if they don't verify the legal status of employees.

"The trends ... have leaned toward the punitive side," says Ann Morse, an immigration expert at the National Conference of State Legislatures. "The No. 1 topic has been employment in terms of deterring employers and employees."

Examples:

• A Colorado law enacted in June prohibits awarding state contracts to businesses that knowingly employ illegal immigrants.

• A Louisiana law approved in June subjects businesses that have state contracts and more than 10 employees to fines if they don't fire workers known to be undocumented.

• A Georgia bill enacted in April has a phased-in requirement that public employers and government contractors and subcontractors verify information on newly hired workers through a federal program.

The U.S. Senate and House have passed widely divergent immigration bills. The Senate's legislation would put most undocumented immigrants on a path to citizenship. The House bill would make illegal immigrants felons and increase penalties for hiring them.

Some lawmakers and advocates of stricter immigration enforcement say the flurry of legislation reflects states' mounting frustration with federal officials.

"State and local politicians and the grass-roots in those states are up in arms over Washington's conspicuous lack of leadership," says John Keeley, spokesman for the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter controls on immigration. "Immigration ... is a driving factor for the three biggest budget items states face: education, health care and criminal justice."

Under federal law, states must provide some services to illegal immigrants, including public education and emergency medical care. States do not have to provide commercial licenses, food assistance, health care, unemployment benefits or other services.

States' focus on workers' documentation is unfair, says Brent Wilkes, national executive director of the League of United Latin American Citizens, a civil rights group. "It feels like we're back to the days when it's OK to discriminate against minorities," he says.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-09-states-illegal-workers_x.htm

Beach,
This is all great and it's a start, but most of these laws have to do with public contracts only.  And it doesn't matter how many laws are passed if they are not being enforced.  Hopefully, you can see that because of powerful corporations and the government that vows to them, laws that target employers of illegal immigrants are hardly enforced.


How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico
Profits from illegal labor led to the kind of corruption that apparently worried Eisenhower. Joseph White, a retired 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol, says that in the early 1950s, some senior US officials overseeing immigration enforcement "had friends among the ranchers," and agents "did not dare" arrest their illegal workers.

Walt Edwards, who joined the Border Patrol in 1951, tells a similar story. He says: "When we caught illegal aliens on farms and ranches, the farmer or rancher would often call and complain [to officials in El Paso]. And depending on how politically connected they were, there would be political intervention. That is how we got into this mess we are in now."

Bill Chambers, who worked for a combined 33 years for the Border Patrol and the then-called US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), says politically powerful people are still fueling the flow of illegals.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html



Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized
The government's steady retreat from workplace enforcement in the 20 years since it became illegal to hire undocumented workers is the result of fierce political pressure from business lobbies, immigrant rights groups and members of Congress, according to law enforcement veterans. Punishing employers also was de-emphasized as the government recognized that it lacks the tools to do the job well, and as the Department of Homeland Security shifted resources to combat terrorism.

The Georgia raids netted 4,034 illegal immigrants, prompting other unauthorized workers to stay home. As the $90 million onion crop sat in the field, farmers "started screaming to their local representatives," said Bart Szafnicki, INS assistant district director for investigations in Atlanta from 1991 to 2001.

Georgia's two senators and three of its House members, led by then-Sen. Paul Coverdell (R) and Rep. Jack Kingston (R), complained in a letter to Washington that the INS did not understand the needs of America's farmers. The raids stopped.

For Operation Vanguard, the INS used a more sophisticated tactic. It subpoenaed personnel records from Midwestern meatpacking plants and checked them against INS and Social Security databases of authorized workers, then interviewed suspect employees. Of 24,148 employees checked, 4,495, or 19 percent, had dubious documents at about 40 plants in Nebraska, western Iowa and South Dakota. Of those workers, 70 percent disappeared rather than be interviewed. Of 1,042 questioned, 34 were arrested and deported.

Nebraska's members of Congress at first called for tougher enforcement, recalled Mark Reed, then INS director of operations. But when the result shut down some plants, "all hell broke loose," he said.

Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns (R), who was governor at the time, appointed a task force to oppose the operation. Former governor Ben Nelson (D), now a U.S. senator, was hired as a lobbyist by meatpackers and ranchers. Sen. Chuck Hagel (R) pressured the Justice Department to stop.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800613.html

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« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2010, 07:55:02 AM »
Illegals don't come here for jobs, they come here for public assistance handouts.

There are more of them on food stamps than on payrolls.

Says who?  Got anything at all to back that up?


"Still, in light of the government's record, experts on all sides of the debate are skeptical that the administration will be able to remove the job magnet that attracts illegal immigrants."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800613.html



"More often, he said, the decision to migrate involve a variety of reasons, such "improvement of earnings" in Mexico, even though immigrants earn very low wages in the United States.

The study's author, Rakesh Kochhar, associate director of research for the center, said that, based on estimates, undocumented Mexican immigrants earn about twice as much in construction, manufacturing and hospitality jobs as they did working south of the border."

Other factors that contributed to Mexican migration include rejoining families and improved working conditions, Suro and Kochhar said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601491.html

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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2010, 07:59:13 AM »
Says who?  Got anything at all to back that up?


"Still, in light of the government's record, experts on all sides of the debate are skeptical that the administration will be able to remove the job magnet that attracts illegal immigrants."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800613.html



"More often, he said, the decision to migrate involve a variety of reasons, such "improvement of earnings" in Mexico, even though immigrants earn very low wages in the United States.

The study's author, Rakesh Kochhar, associate director of research for the center, said that, based on estimates, undocumented Mexican immigrants earn about twice as much in construction, manufacturing and hospitality jobs as they did working south of the border."

Other factors that contributed to Mexican migration include rejoining families and improved working conditions, Suro and Kochhar said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601491.html


Loco - you don't live here.  anyone with a clue knows whats going on.  illegals are like locusts. 

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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2010, 08:59:27 AM »
Still waiting for the data on illegals who come here for the benefits and not the work.


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« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2010, 09:02:31 AM »
Still waiting for the data on illegals who come here for the benefits and not the work.



What are they going to leave a filled out questionaire at the border?

Everyone with a clue knows the deal.   

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« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2010, 09:06:27 AM »
What are they going to leave a filled out questionaire at the border?

Everyone with a clue knows the deal.   

No, it very much sounds like a bias assumption.  If its true there should be some data on it.  I'm not saying it is one way or another. I'm just not going to fall into that trap. 

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« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2010, 09:10:19 AM »
No, it very much sounds like a bias assumption.  If its true there should be some data on it.  I'm not saying it is one way or another. I'm just not going to fall into that trap. 

Many impregnate a woman so the kid qualifies for benes and they go from there to qualify for housing, education, medical, food stamps, etc. 


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« Reply #68 on: August 02, 2010, 09:14:10 AM »

Loco - you don't live here.  anyone with a clue knows whats going on.  illegals are like locusts. 

I am not defending illegal immigrants.  Simply stating the facts.  

And having actually worked in the US before as a legal foreign worker, I have much more knowledge on the legal side of this issue than many Americans who live in the US.  A getbiger on this board already claimed to be an employer in the US, yet he never heard of Form I-9.

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« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2010, 09:15:58 AM »
Many impregnate a woman so the kid qualifies for benes and they go from there to qualify for housing, education, medical, food stamps, etc. 

333386,

Do you have any data whatsoever to backup Herefords two claims below?

Illegals don't come here for jobs, they come here for public assistance handouts.

There are more of them on food stamps than on payrolls.

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« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2010, 09:16:37 AM »
I am not defending illegal immigrants.  Simply stating the facts.  

And having actually worked in the US before as a legal foreign worker, I have much more knowledge on the legal side of this issue than many Americans who live in the US.  A getbiger on this board already claimed to be an employer in the US, yet he never heard of Form I-9.

Must have been blacken700. 

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« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2010, 09:20:06 AM »
Must have been blacken700. 


No, it was Hereford:


As an employer, I cannot ask to see a 'green card' for the purposes of ascertaining whether or not a potential employee has the legal right to be in this country, and thus hold a job here.

Employment Eligibility Verification

Purpose of Form :
   
All U.S. employers must complete and retain a Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. On the form, the employer must examine the employment eligibility and identity document(s) an employee presents to determine whether the document(s) reasonably appear to be genuine and relate to the individual and record the document information on the Form I-9. The list of acceptable documents can be found on the last page of the form.

Number of Pages :
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Edition Date :
    Rev. 08/07/09. The revision date can be found on the lower right hand corner of the form. The 02/02/09 edition is also accepted.
Where to File :

    Do not file Form I-9 with U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or USCIS. Form I-9 must be kept by the employer either for three years after the date of hire or for one year after employment is terminated, whichever is later. The form must be available for inspection by authorized U.S. Government officials (e.g., Department of Homeland Security, Department of Labor, Department of Justice).
Filing Fee :
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Special Instructions :

    You should have the latest version of the free Adobe Reader to download and use Form I-9. Note: The Spanish version of Form I-9, available below on this page, may be filled out by employers and employees in Puerto Rico ONLY. Spanish-speaking employers and employees in the 50 states and other U.S. territories may print this for their reference, but may only complete the form in English to meet employment eligibility verification requirements.

    * Download I-9 (Rev. 08/07/09) (English) (447KB PDF)
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf

    * Download I-9 (Spanish) (443KB PDF)
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9_spanish.pdf

    * Download Handbook for Employers, M-274 (NaNKB PDF)
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/m-274.pdf


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Re: Get out, leave.
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2010, 10:16:15 AM »
Yea, I got that info from a HUD website a few years back. I have it on my harddrive somwhere, but I am looking for the origional study for you guys.

Hang tight.

@ loco:  You see, illegals are experts at doing this thing called LYING. So an employer gives them a piece of paper to sign. How many do you think say "well, I am an illegal, so I better let them know" vs "tell them whatever they want to hear"?

And what if the documenets they present are faked?  Almost all of them are.

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Re: Get out, leave.
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2010, 10:30:10 AM »
Check it out, yo.

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Re: Get out, leave.
« Reply #74 on: August 02, 2010, 10:38:11 AM »


Found it..... How can I upload a .gif file?

Hereford,

Click "Modify" on your post  

Then click "Additional Options..."

Then click "Browse" to attach the gif.