Get out, leave.

[OzmO]

Fuck this PC bullshit.

If you are in this country illegally get the hell out.

It's not the crime and assault by illegals that bother me, becuase had they been legal they still would have committed crimes.  that's what happens with large groups of people.

Its the fact that they are here illegally.  And guess what?  Most of them, 99% of them, are MEXICAN.  So stop whining about racism and face facts, and get out.

You people who are citizens and are citing racism need to wake up ans smell the coffee. 

[loco]

Fuck this PC bullshit.

If you are in this country illegally get the hell out.

It's not the crime and assault by illegals that bother me, becuase had they been legal they still would have committed crimes.  that's what happens with large groups of people.

Its the fact that they are here illegally.  And guess what?  Most of them, 99% of them, are MEXICAN.  So stop whining about racism and face facts, and get out.

You people who are citizens and are citing racism need to wake up ans smell the coffee. 

Leave?  What for?  So that American business can take them right back across the border and give them jobs?


In July 2009, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced that Krispy Kreme Doughnuts Inc. agreed to pay a $40,000 fine for hiring illegal aliens.

An inspection by ICE discovered Krispy Kreme hired dozens of illegal aliens at their Cincinnati, OH factory.

According to the terms of the agreement, in addition to paying the fine, the doughnut maker promised to revamp their hiring process in order to hire only those authorized to work in this country.

No one at Krispy Kreme was sent to prison, and the $40,000 fine, for a company that saw revenues of $384 million in 2009 alone, is downright laughable.

Another 2009 investigation, discovered that 1,800 of American Apparel’s workers were illegal aliens, using fraudulent documents. The company which is located in Los Angeles is the nation’s largest clothing manufacturer, and the 1,800 illegal workers represented a third of their workforce. The owners of American Apparel have been outspoken proponents of an amnesty plan for this nation’s illegal alien population.

The following is a short list of some of the more high-profile companies recently caught with illegal aliens in their employ:

Agriprocessors Inc. - On May 12, 2008, ICE agents executed criminal and administrative search warrants at Agriprocessors, Inc., in Postville, IA, which resulted in the arrest of 389 illegal aliens. 305 of those arrested were also convicted of criminal offenses.

CEO Sholom Rubashkin was arrested and charged with federal conspiracy of harboring illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft. However, the U.S. Attorney’s office later dropped all 72 charges against him.

Pilgrim’s Pride - On April 16, 2007, ICE agents arrested 311 illegal aliens working at five Pilgrim’s Pride sites. Of the 311 arrested, 91 were charged with other criminal violations.

Del Monte Produce - On June 12, 2007, ICE agents arrested 168 illegal alien employees at their Portland, OR facility. In addition to the illegal workers, 13 managers and other workers were arrested and charged with various crimes including selling Social Security cards.

Swift and Company - On Dec. 12, 2006, ICE agents arrested 1,297 illegal aliens at six Swift meat processing factories in six states. 274 of those arrested were also charged with other criminal offenses.

Smithfield Foods - After ICE agents raided the Tar Heel, NC plant and arrested 21 illegal alien workers, 500 workers with fake Social Security numbers were promptly fired from the factory. Another raid in August 2007, netted 28 more illegal aliens, all were from Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras.

Whether it is a landscaping company run-out of someone’s den in Cicero, IL; a 30-unit independent hotel in Virginia Beach, VA; or a corporate giant such as Tyson Foods Inc., once caught with illegal aliens in their employ, the head of that company should spend the next ten years of their life in prison.

Additionally, all of that company’s profits made during the period they employed illegal aliens should be seized, with the money going directly to help pay for border enforcement.

Instead of simply rounding-up the illegal workers (many of whom will not even be deported as a result), and focusing on low-level company employees for prosecution, if there is to be any…We need to begin placing leg irons on the CEOs of companies who make a practice of hiring illegal aliens.

If we arrested these traitors in their walnut paneled offices, and perp-walked them into court for all to see, it would not only punish those who are truly responsible for the illegal replacement of the American worker, but send a powerful message to corporate America…Hire illegal aliens, and you will lose everything you have!

We must demand that our lawmakers see to it that American companies, actually hire American workers…not invaders.

Of course, those same lawmakers will first have to extract themselves from the hip pockets of many those companies.

http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immigration-Reform-Examiner~y2010m2d11-We-should-adopt-mandatory-prison-sentences-for-CEOs-hiring-illegal-aliens

[OzmO]

Leave?  What for?  So that American business can take them right back across the border and give them jobs?


In July 2009, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced that Krispy Kreme Doughnuts Inc. agreed to pay a $40,000 fine for hiring illegal aliens.

An inspection by ICE discovered Krispy Kreme hired dozens of illegal aliens at their Cincinnati, OH factory.

According to the terms of the agreement, in addition to paying the fine, the doughnut maker promised to revamp their hiring process in order to hire only those authorized to work in this country.

No one at Krispy Kreme was sent to prison, and the $40,000 fine, for a company that saw revenues of $384 million in 2009 alone, is downright laughable.

Another 2009 investigation, discovered that 1,800 of American Apparel’s workers were illegal aliens, using fraudulent documents. The company which is located in Los Angeles is the nation’s largest clothing manufacturer, and the 1,800 illegal workers represented a third of their workforce. The owners of American Apparel have been outspoken proponents of an amnesty plan for this nation’s illegal alien population.

The following is a short list of some of the more high-profile companies recently caught with illegal aliens in their employ:

Agriprocessors Inc. - On May 12, 2008, ICE agents executed criminal and administrative search warrants at Agriprocessors, Inc., in Postville, IA, which resulted in the arrest of 389 illegal aliens. 305 of those arrested were also convicted of criminal offenses.

CEO Sholom Rubashkin was arrested and charged with federal conspiracy of harboring illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft. However, the U.S. Attorney’s office later dropped all 72 charges against him.

Pilgrim’s Pride - On April 16, 2007, ICE agents arrested 311 illegal aliens working at five Pilgrim’s Pride sites. Of the 311 arrested, 91 were charged with other criminal violations.

Del Monte Produce - On June 12, 2007, ICE agents arrested 168 illegal alien employees at their Portland, OR facility. In addition to the illegal workers, 13 managers and other workers were arrested and charged with various crimes including selling Social Security cards.

Swift and Company - On Dec. 12, 2006, ICE agents arrested 1,297 illegal aliens at six Swift meat processing factories in six states. 274 of those arrested were also charged with other criminal offenses.

Smithfield Foods - After ICE agents raided the Tar Heel, NC plant and arrested 21 illegal alien workers, 500 workers with fake Social Security numbers were promptly fired from the factory. Another raid in August 2007, netted 28 more illegal aliens, all were from Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras.

Whether it is a landscaping company run-out of someone’s den in Cicero, IL; a 30-unit independent hotel in Virginia Beach, VA; or a corporate giant such as Tyson Foods Inc., once caught with illegal aliens in their employ, the head of that company should spend the next ten years of their life in prison.

Additionally, all of that company’s profits made during the period they employed illegal aliens should be seized, with the money going directly to help pay for border enforcement.

Instead of simply rounding-up the illegal workers (many of whom will not even be deported as a result), and focusing on low-level company employees for prosecution, if there is to be any…We need to begin placing leg irons on the CEOs of companies who make a practice of hiring illegal aliens.

If we arrested these traitors in their walnut paneled offices, and perp-walked them into court for all to see, it would not only punish those who are truly responsible for the illegal replacement of the American worker, but send a powerful message to corporate America…Hire illegal aliens, and you will lose everything you have!

We must demand that our lawmakers see to it that American companies, actually hire American workers…not invaders.

Of course, those same lawmakers will first have to extract themselves from the hip pockets of many those companies.

http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immigration-Reform-Examiner~y2010m2d11-We-should-adopt-mandatory-prison-sentences-for-CEOs-hiring-illegal-aliens

No kidding.....

[Skeletor]

Unless they start putting people in jail (not just illegals but managers also) and set big fines (something like a % of their total profit) most companies will prefer to have illegals and risk a small (for their profit) fine -if they are discovered that is- than employ Americans (or legal immigrants).

And of course people could boycott companies that have been caught employing illegals.

[Hereford]

Until the federal government can make SSN cards and ID cards that can't be faked by 5 year olds using copy machines... don't even try to say the employers are at fault.

Saying you want to have employers fined for hiring illegals is like saying you want to fine GM for drunk driving if the car used was a Buick.

The problem is the law breakers you dumbass libs. The MEXICANS, not the businesses.

Jeeze.... blame everyone except the one who caused the crime....

[loco]

Until the federal government can make SSN cards and ID cards that can't be faked by 5 year olds using copy machines... don't even try to say the employers are at fault.

Saying you want to have employers fined for hiring illegals is like saying you want to fine GM for drunk driving if the car used was a Buick.

The problem is the law breakers you dumbass libs. The MEXICANS, not the businesses.

Jeeze.... blame everyone except the one who caused the crime....

Permanent Resident Cards(Green Cards) and Naturalization Certificates can't be faked by 5 year olds using copy machines.  Homeland Security offers training for personnel employees to spot fake documents.  So there is no excuse for businesses.

Yes, the problem is the businesses who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, and some even hire them in Mexico and then take them across the border into the US and provide them housing in trailer parks.  The federal government is aware of this and does nothing about it.

[Hereford]

Here in CA you can't use a greencard to establish citizenship status. THey come up with a list of documents you can use, which include drivers license, SS card, etc. Everything they allow you to use can be faked easy.

Tell me how come Visa can put a hologram on their card, yet the most advanced federal government on the planet uses cheap, typed cards for identification?  Something doesn't add up here, wouldn't you say?

Once again, ya gotta love the libs who try to blame everyone but the actual criminals for the crimes.

[Dos Equis]

Fuck this PC bullshit.

If you are in this country illegally get the hell out.

It's not the crime and assault by illegals that bother me, becuase had they been legal they still would have committed crimes.  that's what happens with large groups of people.

Its the fact that they are here illegally.  And guess what?  Most of them, 99% of them, are MEXICAN.  So stop whining about racism and face facts, and get out.

You people who are citizens and are citing racism need to wake up ans smell the coffee. 

I agree.  Get the heck out. 

[Skeletor]

Libs 


Anyone committing an illegal act should be punished.
Illegals for entering the country illegally, being in the country illegally and working here illegally.
Companies who knowingly employ them.


Simple.

[loco]

Here in CA you can't use a greencard to establish citizenship status. THey come up with a list of documents you can use, which include drivers license, SS card, etc. Everything they allow you to use can be faked easy.

Tell me how come Visa can put a hologram on their card, yet the most advanced federal government on the planet uses cheap, typed cards for identification?  Something doesn't add up here, wouldn't you say?

Once again, ya gotta love the libs who try to blame everyone but the actual criminals for the crimes.

Nobody can use a greencard to establish US citizenship.  A greencard actually says that you are not a US citizen and you are not allowed to vote or work for the federal government.  What a greencard does is say that you are allowed to live and work in the US permanently, as long as you don't work for the federal government.  They are extremely hard to fake, and yes they too have holograms.   Any employer in the US is required to request employment authorization from a potential employee.  I have worked in the US before and I was required to show employment authorization, whether it was H1 Work Visa, Creencard, Temp Work Visa, etc.  There is no excuse for businesses.

[Fury]

Fuck this PC bullshit.

If you are in this country illegally get the hell out.

It's not the crime and assault by illegals that bother me, becuase had they been legal they still would have committed crimes.  that's what happens with large groups of people.

Its the fact that they are here illegally.  And guess what?  Most of them, 99% of them, are MEXICAN.  So stop whining about racism and face facts, and get out.

You people who are citizens and are citing racism need to wake up ans smell the coffee. 

Well said. I'm tired of the pro-amnesty crowd painting anyone who disagrees with illegal immigration and amnesty as a racist. No one is arguing against immigration. In-fact, I think it's safe to say that most Americans welcome educated, hard-working people to immigrate here through legal channels.

And for the people who keep bringing up the businesses, just because the businesses hire illegals doesn't mean that the illegals are innocent. They're both guilty and both should be punished.

[Hereford]

Nobody can use a greencard to establish US citizenship.  A greencard actually says that you are not a US citizen and you are not allowed to vote or work for the federal government.  What a greencard does is say that you are allowed to live and work in the US permanently, as long as you don't work for the federal government.  They are extremely hard to fake, and yes they too have holograms.   Any employer in the US is required to request employment authorization from a potential employee.  I have worked in the US before and I was required to show employment authorization, whether it was H1 Work Visa, Creencard, Temp Work Visa, etc.  There is no excuse for businesses.

As an employer, I cannot ask to see a 'green card' for the purposes of ascertaining whether or not a potential employee has the legal right to be in this country, and thus hold a job here.

"Any employer in the US is required to request employment authorization from a potential employee"
...and good thing mexicans never lie or else this would be problematic, huh?


Also, how well do you think governmental organizations check to see the 'authorization' of those who walk thru the door of the WIC, food stamp, section 8, etc offices?

[loco]

As an employer, I cannot ask to see a 'green card' for the purposes of ascertaining whether or not a potential employee has the legal right to be in this country, and thus hold a job here.

"Any employer in the US is required to request employment authorization from a potential employee"
...and good thing mexicans never lie or else this would be problematic, huh?


Also, how well do you think governmental organizations check to see the 'authorization' of those who walk thru the door of the WIC, food stamp, section 8, etc offices?

Why can't you ask a potential employee to provide work authorization along with all other information they have to provide anyway, name, SS#, address, drug tests, etc.?  You want the police in Arizona to ask any person, whether US citizen or not, for proof of legal status, yet you cannot ask a potential employee for proof of employment authorization?  No wonder you have an illegal immigration problem.  

[tarzan]

Fuck this PC bullshit.

If you are in this country illegally get the hell out.

It's not the crime and assault by illegals that bother me, becuase had they been legal they still would have committed crimes.  that's what happens with large groups of people.

Its the fact that they are here illegally.  And guess what?  Most of them, 99% of them, are MEXICAN.  So stop whining about racism and face facts, and get out.

You people who are citizens and are citing racism need to wake up ans smell the coffee. 

Agree. Europe and America has been emasculated. Not the public, the governments and leaders. They are so afraid of being politically incorrect that they would rather not do anything about it. I guess it will really be up to the public to show them the way.

[Skip8282]

You want the police in Arizona to ask any person, whether US citizen or not, for proof of legal status,

Uh no.  And your inability to grasp that simple concept speaks mounds.

[loco]

Uh no.  And your inability to grasp that simple concept speaks mounds.

My post wasn't directed at you, and I don't know what you are talking about.

[loco]

Lawsuit accuses IBP of keeping pay down by hiring illegal aliens

    PHIL MILFORD -- BLOOMBERG NEWS - 3/9/02

    ROCK ISLAND, Ill. -- IBP Inc., the top U.S. beef processor, was sued by two former workers who say the company acquired last year by Tyson Foods Inc. artificially depressed wages for hourly employees by hiring illegal immigrants.

    The lawsuit filed Wednesday by employees Deborah Baker and Richard Enyeart claims the Dakota Dunes, S.D.-based company violated federal racketeering laws.

    Baker and Enyeart, who worked at the Joslin meatpacking plant, contend the company intentionally seeks to obtain illegal aliens as cheap labor and that about half the 2,000 workers there are illegally in the United States.

    "IBP perpetrates the illegal immigrant hiring scheme through a complex and highly disciplined network of recruiters throughout the world," says the suit, which requests class-action status for all legal employees, damages and a halt to IBP's alleged recruiting of illegal aliens. 'BASELESS' CHARGES

    Gary Mickelson, an IBP spokesman, called the allegations "baseless" and "defamatory."

    "Our company uses all available tools provided by the federal government to verify the employment eligibility of our team members," he said.

    The charges echo allegations made in a federal indictment in Tennessee in December, which charged IBP's parent, Tyson Foods Inc., hired illegal immigrants at 15 poultry processing plants to cut costs.

    Springdale, Ark.-based Tyson entered an innocent plea at a January hearing and said the charges are unfounded.

    Shares of Tyson, the world's biggest meat processor with fiscal 2001 sales of $10.7 billion, fell 1 cent to $12.74 on the New York Stock Exchange on Friday.

    In the Illinois suit, Baker says she is a U.S. citizen who earned as much as $9 an hour while working for IBP in 1997 and 1998. Enyeart says he is a U.S. citizen who earned as much as $9.42 an hour at IBP from 1997 through 2001. They say a rival's plant 50 miles away pays $4 more per hour than IBP and doesn't hire illegal workers. RAID IN 1997 ALLEGED

    The suit says the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service has frequently raided the Joslin plant and that a 1997 investigation resulted in the detention of 128 workers who agreed to return to Mexico.

    The suit claims the company learns of immigration service inspections in advance, and when inspectors arrive, some illegal workers hide in cold meat lockers while others take the day off.

    Mickelson said there was only one immigration service raid and that IBP cooperated fully and wasn't fined or penalized. He said IBP has "worked closely with the INS for many years to prevent the employment of unauthorized workers."

    And he said wages are comparable with other companies' plants and are "vigorously" negotiated by the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union.

http://reconquista.tripod.com/NEWS/IBP-TysonSued020309.html

[loco]

American Companies Hiring Mexican workers in Mexico and taking them across the border into the US

[240 is Back]

Oz,

Amnesty is gonna pass.  Obama and biden supported it.  Mccain supported it.  Palin said last week she's okay with the illegals all staying - as long as they sign a piece of paper.

Sen Thune and Newt are probably the only 2012 potentials who are AGAINST it.... but who knows, they might crack under the pressure of wanting to pander to these new voters.  Imagine obama saying "I just legalized your asses... my opponent wants to revoke your citizenship"...

Guess who gets those 15 mil votes?

[OzmO]

Oz,

Amnesty is gonna pass.  Obama and biden supported it.  Mccain supported it.  Palin said last week she's okay with the illegals all staying - as long as they sign a piece of paper.

Sen Thune and Newt are probably the only 2012 potentials who are AGAINST it.... but who knows, they might crack under the pressure of wanting to pander to these new voters.  Imagine obama saying "I just legalized your asses... my opponent wants to revoke your citizenship"...

Guess who gets those 15 mil votes?

yeah,  you most probably will be right, and as we pass amnesty, our borders will still remain porous.  Brilliant. 

[Hereford]

By the time he's done, Obama will have done more damage to the United States of America than any foreign enemy during the past 230 years.

[240 is Back]

yeah,  you most probably will be right, and as we pass amnesty, our borders will still remain porous.  Brilliant. 

i think both parties are racing to CLAIM amnesty.

"WE were the party who welcomed you to America!"

The backlash won't that big (in terms of lost voters) cause let's face it, 90% of voters already know who they're voting for in 2012.  You give 10 million people citizenship - and trick the other candidate into saying he will revoke it - and you win re-election easily.

Hell.... Obama could pass amnesty tomorrow - then throw $ at Thune/Newt in 2012 to run... then use their own words/anti-amnesty past to hand him the win.

[Dos Equis]

By the time he's done, Obama will have done more damage to the United States of America than any foreign enemy during the past 230 years.

I worry about this too.  The only thing that can slow down the runaway money train is turnover in November. 

[tonymctones]

LOCO ive shown many many times why simply going after employers will not work and made many points to this that you never countered and still refuse to acknowledge in future debates on this subject...

youve also again misstated what the arizona law will do which many ppl have corrected you on that you never countered and again still refuse to acknowledge in future debates....

the problem is that many ppl are misinformed on the subject and while some may have never been exposed to certain realities, you have so get your facts straight brosky...

[tarzan]

They may very well pass it. And of course keep in mind that this could be a scenario:

Amnesty = Civil War