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338 is gonna blow a gasket when he sees this one.  ;D


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/journolist_flap_shows_conserva.html
Journolist flap shows conservative media conspiracy, not liberal one

That's the real story behind the Journolist flap, no matter what you've read to the contrary on news sites, reputable or otherwise.

Consider today's lead story on the Daily Caller, the conservative site that's led the charge on the J-list "scandal." The story "exposes" a J-List thread in which the topic of some kind of journalistic coordination came up. It has this huge headline:

    Journolist debates making its coordination with Obama explicit

But way down in the 13th paragaraph, the story quotes a post from the very same thread in which J-List founder and Post blogger Ezra Klein excplicitly rules out any such coordination:

    Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, the founder of Journolist, quickly jumped in: "Nope, no message coordination. I'm not even sure that would be legal. This is a discussion list, though, and I want it to retain that character," he wrote.

In other words, the headline on this story could have been: "J-List founder ruled out conspiracy." That might not have been suitable as a lead story, however. Just pause for a moment to consider how amazingly misleading this is: The same thread in which the founder of J-List ruled out any conspiracy is the basis for an enormous headline claiming J-List "debated" making it a conspiracy!

By any measure this snippet from Ezra should close down this story. But while the J-List flap hasn't penetrated to the mainstream media, it continues to rage in right-wing media precincts.

And that's the broader point here: The only media conspiracy involving J-List has been on the right. It's a conspiracy to pretend there's a story here, when there isn't one.

Full disclosure: I was associated with J-List myself, and I described the timeline of that association right here.

By the way, the conspiring on the right goes beyond this: The Daily Caller appears to be deliberately picking subjects from J-List threads that will get it maximum pickup from the conservative media -- and right-leaning outlets are obliging.

The Daily Caller builds stories by cherry-picking from threads about Fox News and Rush Limbaugh -- and gets rewarded with pickup on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. It does a story transforming J-List discussion about Sarah Palin into "coordination," and Palin -- who's fast becoming a media figure in her own right -- responds by giving it a big push herself. And on and on.

The real story here is that right wing media are engaged in a coordinated, conspiratorial effort to pretend that J-List proves that there is a Vast Left-wing Media Conspiracy, when the evidence conclusively shows otherwise.
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333386 is not going to be happy with you, better stop proving him false or he's going to have a meltdown :D :D

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The founder of Journolist, who works for the Washington Post, says there's no message coordination so it must be true!  ::)

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The founder of Journolist, who works for the Washington Post, says there's no message coordination so it must be true!  ::)

Hey, stop inserting logic in these threads. You are destroying their little dream world.

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333386 is not going to be happy with you, better stop proving him false or he's going to have a meltdown :D :D

As BF said, one little piss ant Klein says no to actually being public about coordinating a message and you think this debunks anything while we know they did to Hillary on the Rev. Wright matter?   ::)  ::)   

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As BF said, one little piss ant Klein says no to actually being public about coordinating a message and you think this debunks anything while we know they did to Hillary on the Rev. Wright matter?   ::)  ::)   

I guess even when presented with facts debunking your theories you don't back down. bottom line, the public message coordination  as claimed in the articles you presented, was "refudiated" ...to speak your language, at that time. If you don't want to accept it and you want to keep engaging in paranoid subjects to feed your imagination...keep on truckin' buddy, I'm done with this one.
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How exactly was the message coordination "refudiated"? Because the person accused of orchesatrating the entire operation denied that any coordination took place?

I'm sorry if I sound skeptical, but how does that prove anything?

I'm sure when Bill Clinton said he never had relations with Monica and when Richard Nixon said he was not a crook, that effectively should have ended any further inquiries as well?

If Klein had admitted he was wrong, I'm sure that there would have been 300 columns run by like minded liberals applauding him for his honesty in the face of nasty "republican attacks."

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I guess even when presented with facts debunking your theories you don't back down. bottom line, the public message coordination  as claimed in the articles you presented, was "refudiated" ...to speak your language, at that time. If you don't want to accept it and you want to keep engaging in paranoid subjects to feed your imagination...keep on truckin' buddy, I'm done with this one.

What facts? All you posted was a Washington Times article that quotes an employee of the paper, who is also the founder of Journolist, saying that there was no coordination. Nice "facts", idiot. We better believe the founder of Journolist because they have no reason whatsoever to lie!  ::)

This thread is as stupid as you refusing to post what Commie shithole you came from because that country's Gestapo will come after you.

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July 26, 2010
JournoLism
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By David Warren


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The word "detachment" has several meanings. It may refer, for instance, to the state of being free of prejudice or bias, to being "disinterested" -- a word that in turn means almost the opposite of "uninterested." But it can also refer to a military fighting unit, given a particular mission or purpose -- in which its behaviour will be quite the opposite of "detached," in the "disinterested" sense.

The English language is lovely in this way: so many terms that could mean radically different things, depending upon context. I especially adore the word "sanction." It seems designed to make the student of English pull out his hair in despair. But that is not where we're going today, I hope. My attention will instead be directed to a defunct "listserv," that was called "JournoList," and whose members exhibited "detachment" qualities of several kinds, most of them ironic.
 
Do journalists collude with one another on how to "spin" stories? On developing "talking points," just like politicians? On which red herrings can be purposely thrown in, to mislead and distract readers from the truth? On how to hide hard but inconvenient facts? On how to help their friends, hurt their enemies, and generally, stage-manage the presentation of the news to advance a common political agenda?

I would say, no, they don't have to. These are all things they (er, "we") can do instinctively, without any need of formal co-ordination. All that is required is a profession whose practitioners form a self-recognizing class; who share a settled (and rather conformist) view of the world; and who spend most of their lives in each other's company, hardly ever meeting, let alone mixing socially with, people of other classes with other points of view.

No, I have instead always cited a little ditty on this subject, ascribed to Humbert Wolfe, and various others who flourished in the 1920s: "You cannot hope to bribe or twist / The honest English journalist; / But seeing what the man will do, / Unbribed, there is no reason to."

I still hold by this position, and will, no matter how much is leaked from the e-mail exchanges of the 400-or-so prominent liberal journalists and "experts" who linked themselves together by e-mail on JournoList -- which was supposed to be private, and thus, secret. Already one of them (Dave Weigel) has had to quit his day job (on the Washington Post) for things he wrote to colleagues, which really weren't meant to be read by his "print" readers.

The controversy is much like that surrounding the environmental movement, since the e-mail archive of the Climate Research Unit in England was hacked, and electronic swathes spewed gratuitously around the Internet. Those who never suspected the world's leading "global warming" researchers of honesty or candour could hardly have been shocked by what they read. But those who believed them to be "detached" and "disinterested" scientists were in for a few surprises.

The juicy bits from the JournoList archive, exhumed and disseminated through the (conservative) Daily Caller website, show leading mainstream U.S. journalists discussing things like how to trash and smear Sarah Palin most effectively, in the moments after John McCain selected her as his running mate. Or, how to distract America from the scandal of Barack Obama's long and intimate affiliation with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, when that story hit the fan.

It is interesting that the major themes of mainstream journalistic reporting exactly repeated those thrashed out on JournoList, beforehand -- where it was taken for granted that the journalists' purpose was to get Obama elected, by performing services as an informal "detachment" of the Obama campaign. It looks for all the world like a carefully-organized conspiracy.

And yet it isn't. As Joe Klein, of Time magazine -- prominent both as journalist and on JournoList -- hath protested, he didn't need any strategy sessions in e-mail to decide how to attack Palin; he could "easily" have selected all the angles, by himself. And I do not doubt for a moment that he is telling the truth.

It was his word "easily" that I found most significant. I could myself, in advance, "easily" have guessed from which angles Joe Klein would attack Sarah Palin, and will, as he promises, continue to attack her. The dogs in Pavlov's experiment did not "conspire" to salivate.

No journalist can be perfectly "detached" from what he is covering; so that the pose of perfect detachment is a fraud. It is too much to ask of any human being, whether liberal or conservative. The best we can ask is for honesty and candour -- for some elementary sense of fair play -- and it is a shame we must search through private e-mails to find those qualities.

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haha..BF and GW hammering down the clowns.