Christian Fundamentalists

[blacken700]

 what the fuck is wrong with people

[Agnostic007]

Prison is the right place for the parents.. the gullibility is criminal

[Skeletor]

Deranged zealots..

No parent should experience the death of their child but these lunatics actually murdered their child.
And obviously "praying to god" didn't help. Will they now think the child was bound to die because "god had a plan"?

[Straw Man]

 what the fuck is wrong with people

they've let their fervent religious belief drive them to the point of mental illness (i.e. not capable of functionioning safely in society)

there are plenty of people just like these two who just haven't done anything yet that would cause society to notice them but they are no less fucked in the head as these two people in the clip

[Butterbean]

I wonder what scriptures these type of cults base their rejection of medical care views upon?

Wasn't Luke a doctor?

Even Jesus said sick people need a doctor.

[LurkerNoMore]

It was God's Will.

[Dos Equis]

I wonder what scriptures these type of cults base their rejection of medical care views upon?

Wasn't Luke a doctor?

Even Jesus said sick people need a doctor.

I wonder too.  The reporter said they believe in a "literal interpretation of the scriptures."  So do I, and I don't recall reading anything about not seeking medical treatment.  It's pretty twisted. 

[drkaje]

All religious fundamentalism is bad.

I just can't believe they got off so easy. It shows the courts are still biased towards showing leniency for certain groups.

[Hugo Chavez]

And it even gets worse than this.  Some of the things christians are willing to put another living person through is beyond forgivable.  And it's not just this local story, this kind of crap and worse is all over the country.  I should start taping some of the shit I listen to and play it for you all.....

[Butterbean]

And it even gets worse than this.  Some of the things christians are willing to put another living person through is beyond forgivable.  And it's not just this local story, this kind of crap and worse is all over the country.  I should start taping some of the shit I listen to and play it for you all.....

What kind of stuff?  Is it on the radio or TV?  Maybe there are links so you don't have to tape?

[Agnostic007]

I wonder what scriptures these type of cults base their rejection of medical care views upon?

Wasn't Luke a doctor?

Even Jesus said sick people need a doctor.

From Mark 16;

 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

From Matthew 21, Jesus talking

21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

 22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Many people literally believe that if they have enough faith, God will answer their prayers.. and if they are praying for the sick and the person gets worse, its a test of faith.. For them to seek medical help is a sign they don't have faith in God.. So literally, if you did believe the bible, it does say Ask and you shall recieve..if you believe... you can't have it both ways... trust god for healing, but seek a doctors help if it fails.. 

[BM OUT]

From Mark 16;

 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

From Matthew 21, Jesus talking

21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

 22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Many people literally believe that if they have enough faith, God will answer their prayers.. and if they are praying for the sick and the person gets worse, its a test of faith.. For them to seek medical help is a sign they don't have faith in God.. So literally, if you did believe the bible, it does say Ask and you shall recieve..if you believe... you can't have it both ways... trust god for healing, but seek a doctors help if it fails.. 

This is a silly interpretation of what Christians and most fundamentalist Christians believe.I heard a Pentecostal preacher once say a women was outraged that the preacher wore glasses.She said to him "why dont you just pray for a healing for your eyes"?The preacher said "I did,and God gave me glasses, I now see perfectly with 20/20 vision".The vast majority of fundamentalists believe The Lord uses doctors to heal people,the healing doesnt have to come in the form of a miracle.If you pray for your headache to go away and you take a couple of advil and it goes ,most Christians believe that the idea of advil came from the Lord and was given to man.

I always find it amusing that libs and non Christians will group all Christians into one catagory,but are the first ones to be outraged if blacks or other minorities are grouped together.I guess bashing Christians is the last form of biggotry thats seen as ok.

[Agnostic007]

Didn't you just lump all "libs" and non christians together?

[BM OUT]

Didn't you just lump all "libs" and non christians together?

Can you show me where I said all?However,its certainly the vast majority of libs.They will insult Christians and think its a hoot,but if you insult some black idiot they cry and bemoan the racism in the country.

[Dos Equis]

From Mark 16;

 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

From Matthew 21, Jesus talking

21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

 22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Many people literally believe that if they have enough faith, God will answer their prayers.. and if they are praying for the sick and the person gets worse, its a test of faith.. For them to seek medical help is a sign they don't have faith in God.. So literally, if you did believe the bible, it does say Ask and you shall recieve..if you believe... you can't have it both ways... trust god for healing, but seek a doctors help if it fails.. 

Nonsense.  Nothing in the verses you quoted say anything about not getting medical treatment.  You can't just sit on your butt and do nothing and expect miracles to carry you.  You have to do whatever you can to improve your situation.

[Agnostic007]

From Mark 16;

 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

From Matthew 21, Jesus talking

21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

 22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Many people literally believe that if they have enough faith, God will answer their prayers.. and if they are praying for the sick and the person gets worse, its a test of faith.. For them to seek medical help is a sign they don't have faith in God.. So literally, if you did believe the bible, it does say Ask and you shall recieve..if you believe... you can't have it both ways... trust god for healing, but seek a doctors help if it fails.. 

[Dos Equis]

Also, the fact one of the disciples was a doctor completely blows up the notion that people should not seek medical treatment. 

[Agnostic007]

Also, the fact one of the disciples was a doctor completely blows up the notion that people should not seek medical treatment. 

Then you must ignore Jesus' saying "Ask and ye shall receive, if you have the faith" you have to ignore "they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover"

Do you believe God heals? Do you believe god answers prayers? Do you ever pray for healing?

I must assume not all Christians agree on what the bible says because of the vast number of different churches in existence. But if you believe god answers prayers, what kind of things would you ask for? To heal your father of cancer? yes? no? I'm a little confused on just exactly what or how people pray around here..   

[Agnostic007]

and so luke was a doctor.. Paul (Saul) was a christian persecutor... Doesnt mean he continued to be...

I suspect SOME christians try and reconscile the fact prayer doesn't work by putting up a lot of barriers as to why it didn't. The bible (Jesus) CLEARLY teaches in the passages I posted that you...if you have the faith, can ask for and receive anything. Either he was lying, or he didnt really say it and was misquoted, but it is clearly there. But we KNOW it doesnt work so what do we do.... we create loopholes...

Thoughts? 

[Dos Equis]

Then you must ignore Jesus' saying "Ask and ye shall receive, if you have the faith" you have to ignore "they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover"

Do you believe God heals? Do you believe god answers prayers? Do you ever pray for healing?

I must assume not all Christians agree on what the bible says because of the vast number of different churches in existence. But if you believe god answers prayers, what kind of things would you ask for? To heal your father of cancer? yes? no? I'm a little confused on just exactly what or how people pray around here..   

I'm going to move this to the Religion Board, but it's pretty clear that the Bible does not say you should not seek medical treatment.  And like I just mentioned, the fact one of the disciples was a doctor proves there is/was no prohibition on seeking medical treatment.  

God uses people to help with prevention and healing.  That means the individual has the responsibility to take care of his own body.  That means going to a doctor if you need treatment.  Pretty simple.

Your analysis, which I understand is nothing more than an attempt to find nonexistent contradictions, really doesn't make sense.  If we follow your line of thinking, a person could just not work and just pray for money to show up in the bank; not eat and pray for food on the table; have an unhealthy lifestyle but pray for good health.    

[drkaje]

Considering the current health care debate this shouldn't have been moved.

[Agnostic007]

I merely posted scripture from the bible that if believed literally, as those fundamentalist do, supports their actions. The bible doesnt say not to attend football games, it doesnt address watching reality TV, there are thousands of things the bible doesnt address, however it DOES address prayer and healing.

[Agnostic007]

Good talk, gotta run for now, but I appreciate your input and look forward to seeing your responses

[Dos Equis]

I merely posted scripture from the bible that if believed literally, as those fundamentalist do, supports their actions.

No it doesn't.  See my prior posts.

[Dos Equis]

Considering the current health care debate this shouldn't have been moved.

This is a religious discussion.