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61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« on: July 29, 2010, 01:27:40 PM »
I think it's possible she runs. 

61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
Wednesday, 28 Jul 2010     

If President Obama were to face a challenge in 2012, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is best poised to take him on, according to a new Washington Whispers poll.

Some 61 percent said Clinton, a 2008 primary challenger to Obama when she was a New York senator, could beat the president in a primary, according to Paul Bedard at U.S. News & World Report's Washington Whispers.

Clinton, who's very popular in her current role, has suggested that she doesn't plan to serve two four-year terms as secretary of state and also that she doesn't want to run for the presidency again. She is still trying to retire her 2008 campaign debt, reportedly at less than $1 million.

See the entire poll at USNews.com

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-clinton-poll-2012-hillary-wins/2010/07/28/id/365933

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 01:28:57 PM »
Oh newsmax  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 01:35:24 PM »
michael steele put out an email today:

Hillary Clinton Was Right.

Dear Rob,
This is a hard thing for us to do. We hate to say it, but... Hillary Clinton was right. She was right about Barack Obama. She was right when she said that he wasn't ready to act in a time of crisis; that he didn't have what it took to do the job; that he wasn't ready to be President. It hurts to say it, but Hillary Clinton was right, and if we're going to acknowledge that, then we also have to understand that to stop this part-time president from doing further harm to our country, we can't wait until November. We have to start now.

Are you ready? Then go to NovemberStartsNow.com and pledge your name to victory in November. If you make that commitment, then we'll make sure that you have the opportunity to do your part. And after you've signed up, forward this email to your friends, and tell them how important it is to make a stand against the Obama Administration. Don't hesitate: take action today at NovemberStartsNow.com.

Sincerely,

Michael Steele
Chairman, Republican National Committee

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 01:39:39 PM »
Steele is right. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 01:40:14 PM »
GOP is running AGAINST OBAMA In 2012.

If he retired and handed it to Hilary... she'd probably win.  She'd have a much better chance against Repubs than Obama would...

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 01:44:17 PM »
The GOP is running against Obama if he fends off a potential challenge by Hillary. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 01:59:25 PM »
Its going to depend on where the economy is and where his polls are.If both suck,she is in.By the way,no way he retires.That guy is the biggest ego maniac who has ever lived.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 04:58:39 PM »
Its going to depend on where the economy is and where his polls are.If both suck,she is in.By the way,no way he retires.That guy is the biggest ego maniac who has ever lived.

his ego might be what forces him to retire.

if he KNOWS he will lose - and his legacy could be that he *chooses* to leave on top after accomplishing more lib legislation than any single president in history - he might just go for it.  Heck, if Bush had faked illness in 2004, let the hero Rudy Guiliani run and win...

He would have taken away that anti-Bush sentiment, and Bush would be remembered as the champ that nailed down 2 awesome wars and had the economy steaming, before bowing out.  Rudy would have won in 08 as well, probably.

Obama can take away the anti-obama momentum.  (Same way Mccain might have won, if he had forced palin to bow out, and ended that moderate anti-palin vote in 08)

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 05:12:16 PM »
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Hillary in 2012?
By Larry Wohlgemuth, on July 26th, 2010

It’s a long ways off, and it’s hard to imagine that Barack Obama has already been president 18 months, but I have to wonder. My friend, the union organizer, was the first to propose that we might be in for a change in 2012. He’s hearing things that are filtering down which suggest there’s a strategy at work.

You have to wonder if it’s possible, I mean could a sitting Secretary of State primary a sitting President of the United States? If you look at how things are shaking out it seems like the most logical alternative. My friend’s even suggesting that Obama may choose not to run. It begs the question, will we see Hillary Clinton run for president in 2012?

Let’s start at the beginning. Barack Obama inherited the worst set of circumstances of any president since the Great Depression, and he’s handled it magnificently. We’re the only industrialized nation without universal health care coverage, and he passed landmark legislation moving us in that direction. He’s pushed through legislation to control banks that rape, pillage and plunder the American people. With these and all of his other accomplishments he’ll be recognized with Lincoln and FDR as a man who helped save the Republic. Someday. But it’s taking a toll today.

The Republican Party is burdened with a xenophobic element, and Obama will suffer racially motivated attacks unlike any we’ve ever seen. Throw into the mix the revenge-minded corporations and the dimwitted teabaggers that foolishly vote against their self-interest, and it’s easy to see his re-election campaign will be brutal. Add in the fact that the economy will probably remain on shaky ground as Republicans work to defeat recovery legislation at every turn, and his re-election could prove problematic. Enter Hillary Clinton.

While Obama polls ahead of any of his Republican challengers, Hillary Clinton polls far ahead of Obama. My friend suggests that this was the plan all along; that whoever promoted this legislative agenda designed to benefit the American people would suffer the wrath of corporate America. So regardless of his popularity he’ll have to overcome the vast resources of corporations, which is unlikely. Hillary, on the other hand, would not face this obstacle.

My friend states that part of the plan was to pull her out of the Senate and make her Secretary of State for several reasons. One is it gains her international experience and exposure, but more importantly she’s protected from having to vote on Obama’s legislation, making her a somewhat clean slate. While everyone knows she supported the agenda she will be in a position to differentiate herself from it, and suggest alternatives that she would have proposed had she been president. She gets all of the credit for her association with this administration without having to take any of the heat. Smart political move.

It has also allowed her to stand in front of the American people as a statesman and not a politician, and she’s making the most of her opportunity. People are seeing Hillary Clinton as never before, and they’re finding out that she is a smart and savvy negotiator, and a formidable presence with which to reckon. Compared with the Republican alternative, Sarah Palin, well there is no comparison. Listening to Hillary only serves to confirm what a complete and total moron Palin is.

The biggest question mark in all of this is Barack Obama the type of guy that would do all this heavy lifting to let someone else get the credit? Will he be content with only one term? Was there an agreement in place to ensure everything would happen this way? You have to know with the viciousness we’ll see in the next election cycle that the attacks will get personal, and maybe even violent, and Obama may not wish to subject his daughters to that abuse. And he may be the true patriot who knew coming in that pursuing his agenda would consign him to one term in office, and he was up for it.

The biggest winners in this scenario would undoubtedly be working Americans. The landmark legislation Obama has passed has done more to improve the lot of working Americans than anything in 70 years, but a second term would likely be devoid of any major accomplishments. Republican intransigence would surely consign his encore to the scrapheap of the unmemorable. On the other hand Hillary coming in with a fresh mandate and looking at potentially eight years in office would reinvigorate the Democratic base. Additionally, her previous experience in the White House would serve her well, and she would hit the ground running full speed. Plus she would get the complete benefit of Obama’s accomplishments as health care reform and Wall Street regulations kicked in. It would be a Republican disaster.

When you think about it, after the nightmare of 10 years of what George W. Bush did to our nation, people are more likely to remember how great they had it economically during Clinton’s years rather than a little spoot on a blue dress. I think right now the Clinton economy is what most people are remembering and missing. Hillary in 2012? It makes sense.
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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 05:35:49 PM »
The only Clinton who could beat Obama can't run unless the 22nd amendment is changed. :)

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 07:09:10 PM »
Im more likey to agree with dannys posted article.   It seems a grand plan that hilary was so happy with the state job...its primeing the people for the good ole days of clinton.   were being set-up!! :o

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 05:57:28 AM »
Im more likey to agree with dannys posted article.   It seems a grand plan that hilary was so happy with the state job...its primeing the people for the good ole days of clinton.   were being set-up!! :o

She couldn't beat him anyways. I doubt there's anyone in politics more disliked than the Clintons were. He just happened to be a great politician which she is not.

People should be concentrating on mid term elections and either restoring some sanity to the spending or at least getting enough votes to stop it. They should also go and find some actual republicans people can vote for.. the ones who loved small government and didn't believe in spending like drunken sailors on new branches of Govt or bailing out their friends all the time.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 06:04:28 AM »
stupid thread.  Won't happen.  It would take Obama being extremely very low in the polls for an extended time.  newsmax, lol....

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 06:12:16 AM »
stupid thread.  Won't happen.  It would take Obama being extremely very low in the polls for an extended time.  newsmax, lol....

Or an intern scandal or Godfather 2 type scene with Senator Geery. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2010, 11:11:40 AM »
his ego might be what forces him to retire.

if he KNOWS he will lose - and his legacy could be that he *chooses* to leave on top after accomplishing more lib legislation than any single president in history - he might just go for it.  Heck, if Bush had faked illness in 2004, let the hero Rudy Guiliani run and win...

He would have taken away that anti-Bush sentiment, and Bush would be remembered as the champ that nailed down 2 awesome wars and had the economy steaming, before bowing out.  Rudy would have won in 08 as well, probably.

Obama can take away the anti-obama momentum.  (Same way Mccain might have won, if he had forced palin to bow out, and ended that moderate anti-palin vote in 08)

You obviously still dont understand Obama.He thinks he is a christ like figure.He thinks when he speaks people fall over.He would find it impossible to ever think Hillary could beat him,plus he doesnt like the Clintons.Maybe if Sharpton was running,but not for a cracker.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2010, 11:19:49 AM »
You obviously still dont understand Obama.He thinks he is a christ like figure.He thinks when he speaks people fall over.He would find it impossible to ever think Hillary could beat him,plus he doesnt like the Clintons.Maybe if Sharpton was running,but not for a cracker.

Thank God we have you to understand him and explain it to us!!!  ::)
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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2010, 01:02:40 PM »
She couldn't beat him anyways. I doubt there's anyone in politics more disliked than the Clintons were. He just happened to be a great politician which she is not.


I used to think Hillary was too polarizing to be elected, and I still believe that, but I can see her mounting a serious challenge to Obama in the primary if the economy is the same (or worse). 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2010, 01:05:11 PM »
I used to think Hillary was too polarizing to be elected, and I still believe that, but I can see her mounting a serious challenge to Obama in the primary if the economy is the same (or worse). 


Hillary would win hands down IMHO.  Not even close. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2010, 02:53:45 PM »
Hillary would win hands down IMHO.  Not even close. 

How do you think Hilary would do against newt?  How about against a Palin?

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2010, 03:00:56 PM »
How do you think Hilary would do against newt?  How about against a Palin?

At this point, I think Hillary would beat both. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2010, 03:31:34 PM »
At this point, I think Hillary would beat both. 

yeah, me too.  I think Newt would wreck Obama.  I think palin would lose to obama.  Correct or not, a large number of people believe her to be an idiot.  People will choose the marginally competent they know (obama) over her.  Just about anyone else would have a great chance against obama. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2010, 03:33:02 PM »
yeah, me too.  I think Newt would wreck Obama.  I think palin would lose to obama.  Correct or not, a large number of people believe her to be an idiot.  People will choose the marginally competent they know (obama) over her.  Just about anyone else would have a great chance against obama. 

Who the hell knows at this point.  I do like Christie's style but think nationwide a calm, rational, reasonable, decent looking guy like Thune would play best. 

 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2010, 10:20:14 AM »
Clinton Fan Releases First Hillary 2012 Ad
By Stephen Clark
Published September 03, 2010 | FoxNews.com

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton insists she's not running for president in 2012, but that hasn't stopped one of her supporters from rolling out a wishful ad.

William DeJean, a Chicago dentist, says he spent $3,000 to create the first "Hillary 2012" ad, and another $2,000 to begin airing it in New Orleans on Wednesday.

DeJean said the ad will also air in Washington, New York and Los Angeles in the next few days. He said he hopes the ad will give Clinton an incentive to run.

"In my opinion, we need the Clintons back in the White House to fix this country," he told FoxNews.com. "I don't think we're going in the right direction. I don't like this administration. I think they're ruining the Democratic Party."

"My ad is expressing what everyone is thinking," he added.

The ad is a 30-second ode of pure adulation, with a portrait of Clinton rotating to symphonic music.

"She has more experience working in and with the White House than most living presidents," the caption reads. "She is one of the most admired women in our nation's history. Let's make sure the president we should have elected in 2008 will be on the ballot in 2012."

The ad ends by urging viewers to start now, and it displays a slogan: "Where there's a Hill, there's a way."

Clinton was widely considered the heavy favorite to win the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, but she failed to muster the votes she needed to defeat upstart candidate Barack Obama. When Obama beat Sen. John McCain in the general election, he offered Clinton the secretary of state job.

Clinton has given no indication since Obama moved into the White House that she has an appetite for another presidential bid, and she has repeatedly batted down speculation that she'll run again. But a Rasmussen poll in June showed 57 percent of voters believe Clinton is qualified to be president, compared with 51 percent for Obama.

"There's a lot of buyer's remorse with Obama," DeJean said. "I believe Hillary Clinton is the man for the job. If we don't get the Clintons back in the White House, I don't see a future for this country."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/03/clinton-fan-releases-hillary-ad/?test=latestnews

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2010, 10:29:20 AM »
This is something the repubs DO NOT want.

Clinton 2012 ticket - with obama retiring, whatever - would mean the dems probably win the 2012 election and maybe win back some seats.  Without that anti-obama vote to motivate repubs... yikes.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2010, 10:36:14 AM »
I'd take Clinton over Obama 100 times out of 100.