Bob Chicks " Squats suck and benches blow" tip

[coltrane]

I agree with Bob here.

My legs grow the best from higher rep leg pressing with heavy weight.

Flat bench is worthless as a bodybuilder imo.

[Howard]

I agree with Bob here.

My legs grow the best from higher rep leg pressing with heavy weight.

Flat bench is worthless as a bodybuilder imo.

If you are a young guy just starting out wanting to get bigger and stronger some basic powerlifts make sense. Once you have a decent base it makes more sense to stimulate the muscle in the most effective manner possible. THAT may be movements other than barbell bench and squat.

[ManBearPig...]

i'd like to see leg shots of these squat monsters on here.

[Howard]

i'd like to see leg shots of these squat monsters on here.

LOL, I am no monster but still do full reps with 405 on a smith machine and hardly ever see anyone doing full leg work with good wt in most gyms. Most do the leg press- knee flex and move 20 plates 2" and call it leg work hehehe

[Nirvana]

if you gotta bad back just pre exhaust before squats

common sense

[coltrane]

If you are a young guy just starting out wanting to get bigger and stronger some basic powerlifts make sense. Once you have a decent base it makes more sense to stimulate the muscle in the most effective manner possible. THAT may be movements other than barbell bench and squat.

Exactly.  Ive been at it for almost 18 years now.. and always been natural.   I used to squat for years.  I've really had to work my ass off to get any size whatsoever in that i am natural.

That being said, squats don't cut it anymore.. You get to a point when you can only go so heavy.  I guess you seem to plateau as a natty.  I've since switched to more leg pressing at a higher rep range.. and single leg presses too. 

[jaejonna]

BB is more of a marathon than a sprint...doing squats is def. more intense than any other leg exercise but its bodybuilding not powerlifting ...so to an extent switching to Hacks and Leg Presses ...your more controlled and safe...thus less injury and more workouts due to no period of not working out...thus making gains on top of gains as a result...

My Leg day for instance is :

Leg Ext x3 (warm-up do 20-15 reps per set)
Hacks x4
Leg Pressx4
leg Extx3 (reps 15-10)
Lyin leg Curl x4
Stiff Leg x3
two calve exercises x4
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I might throw in some front squats on smith instead of Hacks ...and if I still got energy I do the abductor/adductor machines when the MILFs arent on them ...

 

[coltrane]

Looks good Jaejonna!  I miss my gyms's old hacksquat.  The owner got rid of it cause some ppl complained about backpain while using it.  I loved it though.

My workout from last night:
Hams:
1.  Standing leg curls
2. Stiff leggeds with db's.

Quads:
1.  2 (plates on each side) x 20, 2x20, 3x20, 4x20, 5x20, 6x12, 6x12, 6x12, 6x12, 4,20, 3x 30.
2.  Leg extensions

Calves.


Sometimes i'll go heavier, into the 7 and 8 plates aside for high reps.  About 5 years ago, when i used to be stronger (and still do squats) I got 9 plates aside for a set of 20 reps.  That's probably my best gym accomplishment ever.

[bigkid]

Nothing can replace compound movements like squats and deads.  Nothing

[coltrane]

Nothing can replace compound movements like squats and deads.  Nothing

Meltdown.

[what:]

A few years back Bob Chick wrote about how benches were not the best move for pecs and you didn't need reg barbell squats for big legs.
Having blown out my low back years ago, I took his advice to heart and agree with it 100%.
Dorian Yates said the same basic things on reg barbell squats and flat barbell benches.

While it understandable that the basic power lifts would be popular, for advanced bodybuilders, they are not the best way to go.

One-size-fits-all, blanket suggestions are not the best way to go either.  Everyone is different to some degree.    

[MCWAY]

One-size-fits-all, blanket suggestions are not the best way to go either.  Everyone is different to some degree.    

And THAT was the point of Chick's article. There are those (most, I'd say) who benefit from doing the "basic" exercises, like squats and bench presses. But, there are others for whom these movements aren't the best, in terms of muscular development.

[Stavios]

Squat sucks for people with long limbs.

I made great gains in my legs the past 2 years by not doing squats anymore and doing heavy leg presses instead

[Voice of Doom]

I've got a lower back injury that keeps me from having any real weight above my chest cavity...this includes shrugs, upright rows, standing shoulder presses, front shoulder dumbell raises, standing calf raises and squats.   

hmmm....I had a point to make when I typed this but I've forgotten what is was and am now just f*cking depressed.....



Oh ya...ironically I can still deadlift without pain if I keep the weight under 285...weird...

[War-Horse]

I benched 525lbs slow and no hip movement. That was 10 yrs ago and cant do them anymore, kills my right elbow and shoulder. Now db presses are the way for me and pecs are thicker than then too.

In the past i was a leg presser cuz i was lazy.  Now i do squats every week to 405x6 and 495x4 for now.....looking to get to 10 nreps then ill quit and stay there.     29" quads, i aint complainin.

[LatsMcGee]

Bob Chick says "Sponsers suck but schmoes blow."

[what:]

And THAT was the point of Chick's article. There are those (most, I'd say) who benefit from doing the "basic" exercises, like squats and bench presses. But, there are others for whom these movements aren't the best, in terms of muscular development.

Correct.  Howard, however, did not get that point. 

[benchmstr]

agree also....squats arent needed...i rarely do standard squats....i usually do front squat, or leg press for my pressing movement...

bench

[Howard]

Correct.  Howard, however, did not get that point. 

NO, I hate to stop posting to take a dumb. My sphincter locked up and I passed out, thus failing to complete the post thread here at GET BIG>

[what:]

NO, I hate to stop posting to take a dumb. My sphincter locked up and I passed out, thus failing to complete the post thread here at GET BIG>

You said very clearly in the opening post that squats and benches are not ideal for advanced lifters.  Are you seriously denying that?  Are you also seriously suggesting that all top lifters should not bother with squats or benches?

[brent2741]

some peoples structure lends itself better to squats where as other people can squat and squat and not see the results, all just depends on body type i guess. For me i had to really work at squats to where i was doing them correctly to get the full benefit

[tbombz]

When you're on test you can toss around the pink dumbbells for 200 reps and make gains. 

no man, not true. maybe for a newB who is one his first few weeks of a cycle. steroids arent magic, they amplify your recovery and speed up strength/mucsle gains that occur from your workouts. but results are always correspondant to training stimulis, whether on roids or not. with roids you get more results for the same effort, but progressive overload still applies and you cant make gains unless your taxing the muscle beyond what it had been taxed before.

[Howard]

You said very clearly in the opening post that squats and benches are not ideal for advanced lifters.  Are you seriously denying that?  Are you also seriously suggesting that all top lifters should not bother with squats or benches?

Well there Judge Judy, you got me. Guilty for fraudulent posting on GET BIG.
I hereby sentence myself to watching 2 hrs of Goodrum's posing routines.

[Howard]

One-size-fits-all, blanket suggestions are not the best way to go either.  Everyone is different to some degree.    

I agree! That is why "Degree" deodorant came out with sport  and tropical forest to go along with their original scent

[Beefjake]

I'd say that as a beginner you'll need to squat and bench for maximum gains.

As you progress ( and get old and tired  ) you can substitute them with other movements.