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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 07:00:22 AM »
Now I thought people were coming around and no one was against it anymore.In fact,on this site we have posters thinking there is no opposition to it at all anymore.Doesnt seem to be the case.70% voting against it in Missouri,70%!!!!OBAMA=FAILURE

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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 07:04:28 AM »
Updated: Wed., Aug. 4, 2010, 5:32 AM 
Sheriff Taylor's health pitch sparks cardiac arrest
By CHARLES HURT


Last Updated: 5:32 AM, August 4, 2010

Posted: 4:18 AM, August 4, 2010

WASHINGTON -- Was it not enough for President Obama to saddle future Americans with billions of dollars in new health benefits and entitlements that they simply cannot afford?

He also had to go and corrupt one of America's most beloved figures of the last half-century. And stick you with the $700,000 bill.

Before Obama started pimping him out last week to sell the highly unpopular health-care law, actor Andy Griffith was about as all-American as you could get.

Grew up during the Great Depression.

Award-winning gospel singer.

As widower Sheriff Andy Taylor, he was thoughtful, big-hearted and always gently right.

As Matlock, he always won his cases.

Yet in a sick deal with the Obama administration, Griffith shatters his credibility, promising all roses with a health-care law that even Barney Fife could tell you is a disaster in the making.

"This year, like always, we'll have our guaranteed benefits," Griffith says in the gauzy ad, as if today's seniors are America's last generation.

"And with the new health-care law, more good things are coming. Free checkups, lower prescription costs. and better ways to protect us and Medicare from fraud."

Yeah, as if the real problem with today's economy is that people aren't paying enough in taxes and the government has too much money on its hands.

Guess it is good to know that at least Andy Griffith is still in Mayberry.

But the 59 percent of voters who want the law repealed live far from Mayberry, no matter what Griffith tries telling them.

And the most shocking thing about the fantasy ad?

You paid for it.

That's right. It is taxpayers who are coughing up the $700,000 to run the ad all over the country in a government campaign to sell its cockeyed health-care scheme.

churt@nypost.com


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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 12:27:27 PM »
Now I thought people were coming around and no one was against it anymore.In fact,on this site we have posters thinking there is no opposition to it at all anymore.Doesnt seem to be the case.70% voting against it in Missouri,70%!!!!OBAMA=FAILURE

Go to any bar or public place in Missouri and see for yourself what channel they have the TV on... ;)
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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 12:36:30 PM »
Go to any bar or public place in Missouri and see for yourself what channel they have the TV on... ;)

Yeah its cathcing on alright, like an STD. 

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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 12:37:45 PM »
Go to any bar or public place in Missouri and see for yourself what channel they have the TV on... ;)

And maybe they don't want the federal government telling them they have to buy health insurance.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 02:21:44 PM »
And maybe they don't want the federal government telling them they have to buy health insurance.


That's not what's happening and I don't think Prop C is going to do them any good.  The only way to opt out is to meet the coverage requirements specified in Obamacare.  Right now, there are a lot of assumptions in Obamacare to reduce costs.  States opting out may not have the cost-care savings assumed in the Federal bill, but they'll still be required to meet coverage requirements.

If anything, I would see this as drastically increasing their healthcare costs and a much more limited pool of paying individuals to cover the gap.  If a sufficient number of States follow suit, then it may be just a push.  But, if Missouri flies solo, it could be an enormous financial burden.

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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2010, 04:41:02 PM »

That's not what's happening and I don't think Prop C is going to do them any good.  The only way to opt out is to meet the coverage requirements specified in Obamacare.  Right now, there are a lot of assumptions in Obamacare to reduce costs.  States opting out may not have the cost-care savings assumed in the Federal bill, but they'll still be required to meet coverage requirements.

If anything, I would see this as drastically increasing their healthcare costs and a much more limited pool of paying individuals to cover the gap.  If a sufficient number of States follow suit, then it may be just a push.  But, if Missouri flies solo, it could be an enormous financial burden.

Maybe so but since when has the federal government had the constitutional authority to force we the people to buy something from a private entity? If this BS stands whats next? Will we all be forced to by hybrids from GM because the government sneaks it to some bill? The latest tactic is to call it a "Tax", so they can try to fight the law suits based on the commerce clause. More BS from DC. Since campaign finance reform was found to be unconstitutional the SC has told us that spending is indeed freedom of speech. Obamacare can be attacked on many constitutional fronts.
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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2010, 06:52:09 PM »
Maybe so but since when has the federal government had the constitutional authority to force we the people to buy something from a private entity? If this BS stands whats next? Will we all be forced to by hybrids from GM because the government sneaks it to some bill? The latest tactic is to call it a "Tax", so they can try to fight the law suits based on the commerce clause. More BS from DC. Since campaign finance reform was found to be unconstitutional the SC has told us that spending is indeed freedom of speech. Obamacare can be attacked on many constitutional fronts.


IDK, I'm not following the legal arguments too in-depth.  But, it wouldn't surprise me if they used the 14th amendment to shove this down our throats as they do so many other things.  I'm not going to hold my breath thinking the judges are going to help out the people.

Repeal would be ideal, but I don't see that ever happening.  Best thing to do at this point is to introduce changes and amendments that would essentially negate all of the crap in the bill.  But, unless the Republicans can gain some serious ground in the next two elections, that's really a moot issue too. 

We may just have to wait until the real taxes in this thing start biting.  Once people start to feel the significant impact that I think this is going to cause, they'll be more than happy to elect politicians that want to attack it.

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Re: obama care not catching on as libs predicted
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 06:38:02 AM »
Mo. to O.: 'No' They said voters would learn to stop worrying and love ObamaCare. They were wrong..
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By JAMES TARANTO


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They told us that Americans would learn to stop worrying and love ObamaCare. To judge by yesterday's election in Missouri, they were wrong.

Official election returns show that citizens of the Show Me State voted overwhelmingly--71% to 29% in favor of Proposition C, a ballot measure described in a pre-election report from Time magazine:

The specific issue boils down to this: Can the government require that citizens buy health insurance? Mandatory insurance is a key element of the health care reforms passed by congressional Democrats and signed by Obama this year. Adding healthy people to the insurance pool spreads the cost of policies for people with health problems. Missouri's referendum rejects that mandate by asking voters whether state laws should be amended to forbid penalties for failing to have health insurance.

Time describes the vote as "largely symbolic." Other states have already passed such opt-out laws via legislative action rather than voter initiative, and the real test will come in the courts. But symbolism matters. If the constitutional question is a difficult one, it's possible that judges will resolve it on the side of public opinion. And of course the public's reaction to ObamaCare is likely to influence the politicians who have control over its implementation and possible repeal.

Time tries in advance to minimize the expected result:

Tuesday's primaries are far more interesting on the GOP side, practically guaranteeing a turnout heavily skewed against health care reform. . . . Democrats in the Missouri legislature had consciously maneuvered Prop C onto the August ballot. The argument was that it would be better to hold the referendum this month than let it become a rallying point for the GOP in November, when retiring Senator Christopher "Kit" Bond's seat is up for grabs.

"Far more interesting on the GOP side" is an exaggeration. Both party's Senate candidates won with more than 70% of the vote, and Missouri is not electing a governor this year. We suppose it's possible that Republican voters were drawn to the polls by the thrilling contested race for state auditor and cast ballots against ObamaCare as an afterthought. More likely, though, it's the other way around. And in fact, the number of people who cast ballots on Proposition C was more than 100,000 greater than in all parties' state auditor primaries combined.

 Senior Editorial Writer Joseph Rago reports on the Missouri results.

.Time provides further evidence that ObamaCare support is hazardous to political health. Democratic Senate nominee Robin Carnahan, whose brother Rep. Russ Carnahan voted for ObamaCare, could muster only a "lukewarm statement" of--well, we guess we'll be generous and call it support:

The statement by spokesman Linden Zakula was cryptic: "If the issue is approved by the voters, there is some question about what would be the practical implication since it would be an issue of state law pre-empting federal law. But when it comes to this issue in general, as a breast-cancer survivor [Carnahan] takes the issue of health care very personally, and thinks it makes a lot more sense to fix the things that still need fixing instead of repealing the entire bill, or opting out, and going back to insurance companies making out like bandits and denying coverage for people with pre-existing conditions."

Another possibly ominous sign for Democrats in the Obama era: Carnahan's opponent, Rep. Roy Blunt, received nearly 410,000 votes in his essentially uncontested primary. She got just 265,000 in hers. (Missouri has an open primary, so that anyone can vote for either party's candidate.) This is thought to be a toss-up race, with Blunt, who served as House Republican whip for three terms starting in 2003, a less than ideal GOP face in an "anti-incumbent" year.

Meanwhile, Time reports that other states will have ObamaCare opt-out measures on the ballot in November. If yesterday's results in Missouri are any indication, Nov. 2 could be a long night for congressional Democrats--and for the White House.

Great Moments in Socialized Medicine

"Hospital doctors who quit their jobs are being routinely forced to sign 'gagging orders' despite legislation designed to protect NHS whistleblowers," reports the Independent, a left-wing London newspaper. The NHS is the National Health Service, Britain's system of socialized medicine:

Millions of pounds of taxpayers' money are being spent on contracts that deter doctors from speaking out about incompetence and mistakes in patient care.

Where did they get the idea of imposing gag orders to silence critics? Perhaps from former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, who has a similar policy on his blog, "The Conscience of a Liberal," at the New York Times website:

If it takes up more than about 3 inches on my screen, I'm going to tag it as spam. . . . So feel free to rant, if you're so inclined. But if you want your insights published, keep your language clean, and be terse. You'll probably find that it improves your writing style.
According to Krugman, "In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false." Now we know the methodology that leads to that conclusion.


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