Cop Tasers Teen On Bike, Runs Over Him With Police Car Killing Him + Plants Gun

[Stark]

Vietnam first kill - amazing documentary and chilling

[Nails]

Vietnam first kill - amazing documentary and chilling

Thats one crazy sick as documentary right there well worth the watch

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Expectation..

As a cop, I have the expectation that you will do as I say. As a bad guy, you have the expectation that if you don't, there are consequences. The consequences should be reasonable and fit the situation. If you refuse to sign a speeding ticket, I do not have the option of tasing you nor shooting you. If you run, I have the option of catching you. If you struggle with me I have the right to overcome your resistance with reasonable resistance

It sounds strange but between cops and the bad guys are some unwritten rules. This does not apply to the rabid, pshyco nut cases out there, but for 95% of the criminals we arrest, there is an understanding. Some of the rules are like this..

If I go to arrest you and you try to get away, I will attempt to take you into custody quickly, explosively and as effeciently as possible, causing the lest amount of damage I can. You as the bad guy are allowed to pull away, push me, jerk around, duck and weave, I am allowed to slam you to the ground and get the cuffs on you and its over. If at any point you take a swing, or attempt to hurt me and not just escape, then I will be forced to turn up the volume  and within reason, get very serious about getting you under control

We like it this way. It works most of the time. They (the bad guys) know the boundaries they can operate in and expect to not get busted up. We can move around in unpleasant areas and neighborhoods and not dodge bullets or fist all day long. When cops can't be trusted to live up to their side of the deal, then it can get pretty rough and its a lot of fighting bad guys a lot of the time.

In that teenagers case, he can expect the cop to chase him, he assumes risk when he attempts to flee. If a car is chasing a bicycle down city streets, through parking lots and over sidewalks close on his tail, bad things can happen. I don't fault the cop for accidently running the guy over, I fault him for planting a gun.    

Excellent post!

[HTexan]

So tazering the guy, then running him over is ok. 

[Master Blaster]

Brutal thread merge

[Agnostic007]

So tazering the guy, then running him over is ok. 

Okay in the sense that the cop has limited options chasing a guy on a bike. He can't outrun him on foot, so he uses the vehicle. Having been in many a pursuit myself, it takes a constant reminder to not get tunnel vision, to not become more dangerous trying to catch the bad guy than the bad guy is.. In this case, the cop probably thought.. I can't open the door on the guy as I drive by, it will dent my unit and I'll have to answer for that.. I can taser the guy and he will likely crash to the ground but that's his problem and he shouldn't be running from me. In all likelyhood the injuries will be minor. The cop probably fully  expected the guy to be farther ahead as he turned the corner, not laying in the road from crashing (not from the taser from my understanding).

So while it isnt the result sought after by the cop nor the suspect, the bad guy didnt mean to crash, the officer didnt mean to run him over. So I have no problems with the attempted tasing, and while tragic, believe running him over was an accident, brought upon the suspect by the suspects actions.

Personally, when I pursue people/vehicles, we have a policy in place that puts conditions on pursuits. We have a checklist so to speak

Nature of the crime
Age of the offender
Is the identity known
weather and light conditions
road conditions
other traffic/pedestrians present
and so on and so forth..

I probably would have chased the guy, having probable cause based on time of night, location where he was located, and his fleeing, that he was likely up to no good. I wouldn't have attempted a tasing because 1. Its not all that easy to tase a subject even when stationary as both prongs have to connect to be effective. 2. My buddies would have laughed at me. But I have enough experience that I don't get excited about them, I would leave enough room for stopping in the event of an unexpected crash, and if he got away, we'll catch him next time.

So yeah, the tasing and the running him over... I wouldn't have done it, but it's not so far out of reason that I would not understand it. 

 

[HTexan]

Okay in the sense that the cop has limited options chasing a guy on a bike. He can't outrun him on foot, so he uses the vehicle. Having been in many a pursuit myself, it takes a constant reminder to not get tunnel vision, to not become more dangerous trying to catch the bad guy than the bad guy is.. In this case, the cop probably thought.. I can't open the door on the guy as I drive by, it will dent my unit and I'll have to answer for that.. I can taser the guy and he will likely crash to the ground but that's his problem and he shouldn't be running from me. In all likelyhood the injuries will be minor. The cop probably fully  expected the guy to be farther ahead as he turned the corner, not laying in the road from crashing (not from the taser from my understanding).

So while it isnt the result sought after by the cop nor the suspect, the bad guy didnt mean to crash, the officer didnt mean to run him over. So I have no problems with the attempted tasing, and while tragic, believe running him over was an accident, brought upon the suspect by the suspects actions.

Personally, when I pursue people/vehicles, we have a policy in place that puts conditions on pursuits. We have a checklist so to speak

Nature of the crime
Age of the offender
Is the identity known
weather and light conditions
road conditions
other traffic/pedestrians present
and so on and so forth..

I probably would have chased the guy, having probable cause based on time of night, location where he was located, and his fleeing, that he was likely up to no good. I wouldn't have attempted a tasing because 1. Its not all that easy to tase a subject even when stationary as both prongs have to connect to be effective. 2. My buddies would have laughed at me. But I have enough experience that I don't get excited about them, I would leave enough room for stopping in the event of an unexpected crash, and if he got away, we'll catch him next time.

So yeah, the tasing and the running him over... I wouldn't have done it, but it's not so far out of reason that I would not understand it. 

 

You need to find a psychotherapist. Running over a guy so your friends wouldn't laugh at you. 

[tonymctones]

So tazering the guy, then running him over is ok. 

I dont think anyone is saying that, it was an ACCIDENT!!!!

an accident that was more than preventable if the dumb ass kid had stopped instead of running away. He definitely needs to be punished for planting the gun but what happend preceeding that was an accident.

[Agnostic007]

You need to find a psychotherapist. Running over a guy so your friends wouldn't laugh at you. 

and you my friend, need to re-read my post. I never said that. I said I wouldn't taser him because 1. it is a low probability that it would work, and 2. my buddies would laugh at me. How did you manage to turn that into I would run him over? 

[240 is Back]

go buy the ENTIRE series "Brotherhood" from showtime................ ..it never really caught on.............there were 3 seasons...............it s one of my 3 favorite shows of all time

better then ANY movie of late since "the departed" as far as crime drama goes..............its brutal, multi layered, idiosyncratic, and surperbly acted

its a crime this show never got the push it deserved

agreed.  great great show.  just discovered it.  probably more violent than The Wire.  

It's on Hulu now.   and the chick from Weeds is on it    plus lots of actors from other cool shows.

[illuminati]

So tazering the guy, then running him over is ok. 

Yes clearly it is for Agnostic & cops in general

No Doubt That Cop Was In Fear For His Life 

Yet another example of way over the top out of control
Policing

[MB_722]

agreed.  great great show.  just discovered it.  probably more violent than The Wire. 

It's on Hulu now.   and the chick from Weeds is on it    plus lots of actors from other cool shows.

Never did end up watching that. I have nothing to watch lately. Should watch it or do deadwood again

[oldgolds]

Honestly...Do Black mothers even teach their children to show respect for authority, like cops and teachers etc?   They seem to be like wild animals almost...

[Yamcha]