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NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« on: August 05, 2010, 01:45:46 PM »
Interesting issue.  Even though the children's names supposedly didn't play a role, do you have a problem with parents giving their kids names like this?  I can't imagine a kid with the name Adolph Hitler having a normal childhood.  


NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids

BETH DeFALCO, Associated Press Writer  

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A New Jersey couple who gave their children Nazi-inspired names should not regain custody of them, a state appeals court ruled Thursday, citing the parents' own disabilities and the risk of serious injury to their children.

The state removed Heath and Deborah Campbell's three small children from their home in January 2009.

A month earlier, the family drew attention when a supermarket refused to decorate a birthday cake for their son, Adolf Hitler Campbell. He and siblings JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell have been in foster care.

A family court had earlier determined that there was insufficient evidence that the parents had abused or neglected the children. That decision was stayed until the appeals court could review it. On Thursday, the three-judge appeals panel determined there was enough evidence and that the children should not be returned.

The panel sent the case back to family court for further monitoring.

A gag order remains in place and the parties refused to discuss the decision.

Heath Campbell told The Associated Press last year that he believed the children were taken because officials felt they were in "imminent danger." He accused the state of removing the children because of their names and said government officials were relying on unproven accusations made by a neighbor and by an ex-wife who charged him with abusing her years ago.

The children's names and the birthday cake were not mentioned in Thursday's ruling. The court found that there were myriad other reasons that proved the need for continued protection services for the children.

According to court records, both parents are unemployed and both suffer from unspecified physical and psychological disabilities.

The court found that both parents were themselves victims of childhood abuse and said neither "have received adequate treatment for their serious psychological conditions."

Heath Campbell, 37, cannot read and Deborah Campbell dropped out of high school before finishing the 10th grade, according to court records.

In its ruling, the panel found the parents "recklessly created a risk of serious injury to their children by failing to protect the children from harm and failing to acknowledge and treat their disabilities."

The judges considered a typo-riddled note signed by Deborah Campbell and given to a neighbor. In it, Campbell says that if she were found dead, her husband was to blame.

"Hes thrend to have me killed or kill me himself hes alread tried it a few times. Im afread that he might hurt my children if they are keeped in his care. He teaches my son how to kill someone at the age of 3," the letter read in part.

Deborah Campbell later acknowledged writing the letter but claimed it was all a lie.

"She described her husband as 'a perfect guy,'" according to court records.

The family made headlines when a ShopRite supermarket in Greenwich, near the family's home in Holland Township in west-central New Jersey, refused to decorate a birthday cake with their son's name.

A Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania wound up decorating the cake, but the resulting publicity put the family under media scrutiny. Heath Campbell said neighbors and others were harassing them, and local police reported a mailed death threat.

http://hosted2-1.ap.org/HIHON/229cea0feec5482f81543bdaad3ec66c/Article_2010-08-05-US-Hitler-Cake/id-a6d20d18f8414ae5bc88d041bb28dc96

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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 02:01:50 PM »
Interesting issue.  Even though the children's names supposedly didn't play a role, do you have a problem with parents giving their kids names like this?  I can't imagine a kid with the name Adolph Hitler having a normal childhood.  


NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids

BETH DeFALCO, Associated Press Writer  

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A New Jersey couple who gave their children Nazi-inspired names should not regain custody of them, a state appeals court ruled Thursday, citing the parents' own disabilities and the risk of serious injury to their children.

The state removed Heath and Deborah Campbell's three small children from their home in January 2009.

A month earlier, the family drew attention when a supermarket refused to decorate a birthday cake for their son, Adolf Hitler Campbell. He and siblings JoyceLynn Caucasian Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell have been in foster care.

A family court had earlier determined that there was insufficient evidence that the parents had abused or neglected the children. That decision was stayed until the appeals court could review it. On Thursday, the three-judge appeals panel determined there was enough evidence and that the children should not be returned.

The panel sent the case back to family court for further monitoring.

A gag order remains in place and the parties refused to discuss the decision.

Heath Campbell told The Associated Press last year that he believed the children were taken because officials felt they were in "imminent danger." He accused the state of removing the children because of their names and said government officials were relying on unproven accusations made by a neighbor and by an ex-wife who charged him with abusing her years ago.

The children's names and the birthday cake were not mentioned in Thursday's ruling. The court found that there were myriad other reasons that proved the need for continued protection services for the children.

According to court records, both parents are unemployed and both suffer from unspecified physical and psychological disabilities.

The court found that both parents were themselves victims of childhood abuse and said neither "have received adequate treatment for their serious psychological conditions."

Heath Campbell, 37, cannot read and Deborah Campbell dropped out of high school before finishing the 10th grade, according to court records.

In its ruling, the panel found the parents "recklessly created a risk of serious injury to their children by failing to protect the children from harm and failing to acknowledge and treat their disabilities."

The judges considered a typo-riddled note signed by Deborah Campbell and given to a neighbor. In it, Campbell says that if she were found dead, her husband was to blame.

"Hes thrend to have me killed or kill me himself hes alread tried it a few times. Im afread that he might hurt my children if they are keeped in his care. He teaches my son how to kill someone at the age of 3," the letter read in part.

Deborah Campbell later acknowledged writing the letter but claimed it was all a lie.

"She described her husband as 'a perfect guy,'" according to court records.

The family made headlines when a ShopRite supermarket in Greenwich, near the family's home in Holland Township in west-central New Jersey, refused to decorate a birthday cake with their son's name.

A Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania wound up decorating the cake, but the resulting publicity put the family under media scrutiny. Heath Campbell said neighbors and others were harassing them, and local police reported a mailed death threat.

http://hosted2-1.ap.org/HIHON/229cea0feec5482f81543bdaad3ec66c/Article_2010-08-05-US-Hitler-Cake/id-a6d20d18f8414ae5bc88d041bb28dc96

I don't think it's anyone else's business what parents name THEIR children.
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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 02:04:12 PM »
Probably like growing up in this country being named Barrack Hussein.I bet that name got him a lot of pals as a youth.No wonder he cant get a baseball to home plate,with a name like Barrack Hussein he obviously never got picked for a team.

On a serious note what buisiness is it of the government if you name your kid Adolf or Shaniqewa..

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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 02:09:50 PM »
I think on this issue the political aspect of the names did play a role.

Regardless, this is the the government intervening into the lives and private affairs of citizens.

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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 02:51:11 PM »
I'm not sure what I think about this (in terms of government involvement).  In general, I think how a parent raises their kids is none of the government's business.  But something like this is pretty cruel.  

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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 03:46:51 PM »
There's a girl in our town named L-Sha. :)

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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 03:52:40 PM »


True name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Assman

Anyone remember the goldenpalace.com case with the baby name? (and the forehead tattoo)

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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 04:50:06 PM »
 :o   :D

Do we have any laws in the U.S. regulating baby names?  Here are some from other countries:

Baby Names So Weird They're Illegal
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Mon, 28 Jun 2010 

© Thost/FlickrIn Germany, you can name your newborn "Legolas", but "Matti" is right out. The name was considered too gender-neutral to pass Germany's strict baby name regulations.

Germany is one of several countries that regulate the names parents are allowed to give children, a legislation move that protects the next generation from being saddled with monikers like "Sunshine" and "Chance".

I've always loved my odd name, and gave my kids weird ones (at least one of which would never have made it by Germany's censors). But I've met kids named "Electra" and "Princess". I'm sure a few of my hippie kid peers would have been glad for a little state control in the naming department.

Germany's rules are fairly straightforward, if oppressive: you have to be able to tell the gender of a child from the first name, and may not "negatively affect the well-being of the child". You are also not allowed to name your child after any product or brand.

Other countries have even stranger rules:
•Sweden allows adults to change their names only once in their lives.


•Japan has a published list of "name kanji" from which all baby names must be chosen.


•Denmark combines those approaches with a list of names for parents to choose from. The Law on Personal Naming requires that children have gender-specific names with conventional spellings. 15%-20% of the baby names submitted each year are rejected.


•Iceland requires that new names pass several tests including fitting grammatically with Icelandic.


•New Zealand has a vague law disallowing names that "might cause offense to a reasonable person, is unreasonably long or without adequate justification". They've used this to reject "Adolf Hitler" but allowed "Number 16 Bus Shelter". I guess they decided there was sufficient justification for naming that baby after a bus shelter. Must have been quite the story.


•Chinese law requires that all names be readable by a computer scanner for use on national identity cards. How very pragmatic.
Have you ever been introduced to a kid with a name so awful you've thought, "There ought to be a law..." Should there be?

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/211255-Baby-Names-So-Weird-They-re-Illegal

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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 05:26:43 PM »
I don't know what to think about this.  HE should be able to legally change his name at an earlier age than 18 if he wishes.  But this naming thing shouldn't be against the law.

What would "Moon Unit" do?


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Re: NJ court: Nazi-naming parents shouldn't get kids
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 05:30:52 PM »
I don't think it's anyone else's business what parents name THEIR children.

I agree with you
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