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Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« on: August 06, 2010, 12:39:31 PM »
Did his sexual orientation play a role in his decision? 

Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
Friday, 06 Aug 2010
   
The federal judge who overturned California's same-sex marriage ban this week is a Republican who once came under fire for his membership to a powerful all-male club that only recently had allowed blacks to join.

But after Chief U.S. Judge Vaughn Walker struck down the voter-approved ban known as Proposition 8, he became something else in the minds of some: a gay activist.

Rumors have circulated for months that Walker is gay, fueled by the blogosphere and a San Francisco Chronicle column that stated his sexual orientation was an "open secret" in legal and gay activism circles.

Walker himself hasn't addressed the speculation, and he did not respond to a request for comment by The Associated Press on Thursday. Lawyers in the case, including those defending the ban, say the judge's sexuality — gay or straight — was not an issue at trial and will not be a factor on appeal.

But that hasn't stopped a public debate that exploded in the wake of the 66-year-old jurist's ruling. Most of the criticism has come from opponents of same-sex marriage.

"Here we have an openly gay federal judge, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, substituting his views for those of the American people and of our Founding Fathers who, I promise you, would be shocked by courts that imagine they have the right to put gay marriage in our Constitution," said Maggie Gallagher, chairwoman of The National Organization for Marriage, a group that helped fund Proposition 8.

In response, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a political action committee for gay candidates, launched an online petition accusing Gallagher's group of "gay-baiting."

But the debate raises the question: Why is sexuality different from other personal characteristics judges possess? Can a female judge rule on abortion issues? A black judge on civil rights?

"The evidence shows that, by every available metric, opposite-sex couples are not better than their same-sex counterparts; instead, as partners, parents and citizens, opposite-sex couples and same-sex couples are equal," Walker wrote in his exacting, 136-page opinion.

Gerard Bradley, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, published a Fox News column in the hours before Walker filed his opinion faulting the media for not forcing Walker to address his sexual orientation.

And Byran Fischer, issues director for the American Family Association, urged the group's members to contact their congressional representatives about launching impeachment proceedings because Walker had not recused himself from a case in which "his own personal sexual proclivities utterly compromised his ability to make an impartial ruling."

William G. Ross, an expert on judicial ethics and law professor at Samford University in Alabama, said a judge's sexual orientation has no more relevance to the ability to rule fairly on a case involving gay marriage than it would for a deeply religious judge or a judge who had been divorced multiple times.

"Under the logic of the people challenging the judge's fitness to rule on a case involving gay rights because he or she was gay, one would have to find a eunuch to serve on the case, because one could just as easily argue that a heterosexual judge couldn't rule on it either," Ross said.

Months before Walker struck down Proposition 8 as an unconstitutional violation of gay Americans' civil rights, members of the team defending the ban in court had complained about what they perceived as judicial bias.

Over their vigorous objections, Walker pushed to have the proceedings televised live, a plan the U.S. Supreme Court quashed at the last minute. Then, he refused to excuse as a witness a Proposition 8 supporter who had compared gays to child molesters during the 2008 campaign. Lawyers for the two same-sex couples who sued to invalidate the ban had called him as a witness to try to prove the measure was fueled by anti-gay prejudice.

Nevertheless, the defense does not plan to raise the specter of the judge's sexual orientation as they appeal his ruling to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, said Jim Campbell, a lawyer with the defense team.

"The bottom line is this case, from our perspective, is and always will be about the law and not about the judge who decides it," Campbell said. "It's just something that collectively as a legal team we have decided and going up, that's what this case is. The appellate courts are going to focus on the law."

Walker has ruled in at least two other cases involving gay rights issues during his two decades as a judge. In 1999, he rejected arguments from the parents of a San Leandro boy who claimed their religious rights were violated by pro-gay comments their son's teacher had made in the classroom.

In the other case, he dismissed a free speech claim by two Oakland city employees whose managers had confiscated a bulletin board flier for a religious group that promoted "natural family, marriage and family values." The city had "significant interests in restricting discriminatory speech about homosexuals," Walker wrote in his 2005 ruling.

Until this week, though, Walker had come under more criticism for representing the U.S. Olympic Committee in a lawsuit against a gay ex-Olympian who had created the so-called Gay Olympics. Walker won, forcing the Gay Olympics to become the Gay Games. He also aggressively pursued legal fees by attaching a $97,000 lien to the home of the organization's founder while he was dying of AIDS.

Gay activists cried foul, and his appointment to a federal judgeship was delayed for two years in the waning days of Ronald Reagan's presidency.

Civil rights groups also opposed Walker's nomination because of his 15-year membership in the Olympic Club, an all-male athletic club that had  admitted its first black membersonly recently. California's senior senator at the time, Democrat Alan Cranston, used the club issue to question Walker's fitness for the bench.

Observers usually describe him as a maverick who delights in keeping people guessing. They still are.

On the day of closing arguments in the gay marriage ban case, Walker said it was appropriate that the case was wrapping up in June.

"June, after all, is the month for ... " He let his deep voice trail off, and smiled at the predominantly gay courtroom.

Many froze, wondering if he would refer to the month in which San Francisco celebrates gay pride like Mardi Gras. Would that be a nod to rumors he was gay?

Walker waited a beat longer, savoring the pregnant pause.

"... weddings."

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Associated Press Writer Juliana Barbassa contributed to this story.


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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2010, 12:48:53 PM »
get ready to be called a bigot beach  :-\

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2010, 12:52:14 PM »
get ready to be called a bigot beach  :-\

Only by the small-minded.   :)

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2010, 01:05:08 PM »
get ready to be called a bigot beach  :-\

You forgot racist. :)

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2010, 01:09:48 PM »

William G. Ross, an expert on judicial ethics and law professor at Samford University in Alabama, said a judge's sexual orientation has no more relevance to the ability to rule fairly on a case involving gay marriage than it would for a deeply religious judge or a judge who had been divorced multiple times.

"Under the logic of the people challenging the judge's fitness to rule on a case involving gay rights because he or she was gay, one would have to find a eunuch to serve on the case, because one could just as easily argue that a heterosexual judge couldn't rule on it either," Ross said.

This point by Ross is correct.

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2010, 01:12:41 PM »
This point by Ross is correct.

Perhaps.  I think it's worthy of discussion, because we are talking about a lifestyle choice. 

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 01:18:12 PM »
Perhaps.  I think it's worthy of discussion, because we are talking about a lifestyle choice. 

Who would choose to turn their back on cooter?!!

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2010, 01:26:54 PM »
Who would choose to turn their back on cooter?!!

lol

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2010, 01:27:17 PM »
By the way-- not that it matters much now anyway-- the opinion this fruitcake judge wrote is one of the most illogical and patently offensive holdings I have ever seen. Not only is the opinion complete and utter nonsense from a legal standpoint, but from a common sense standpoint it is difficult to fathom how this idiot became a judge in the first place.  

How a judge could reach a legal conclusion that the majority of Californians who voted in a public ballot ( we are talking millions of people) lacked a rational basis to conclude that marriage should be between a man and a woman is so absurd that it makes my stomach turn. This is judicial activism at it's very worst and if I was from California (even if I supported gay marriage) I would be livid. If the shoe was on the other foot and gay marriage had been approved, imagine a staunch supporter of heterosexual only marriage invalidating the votes cast by the people because in his opinion, they had no "rational basis" to reach that conclusion.  

This judge basically decided to change the result of a public election because he didn't personally agree with the results. So now, the people can't decide for themselves whether or not it should approve legislation on a public ballot. We need a shitbag judge with an agenda to explain to the masses when their vote should count and when it shouldn't. Here we have an obviously gay judge nullifying a public vote based on legal principles that were  literally plucked out of thin air to reach the result the judge wanted.

An absolute disgrace.  

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2010, 01:33:19 PM »
get ready to be called a bigot beach  :-\

The far left said it was perfectly fine to look into the judges' life who ruled on Obama's moritorium on drilling so I am following their lead and looking into this guys' life. 

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2010, 01:48:44 PM »

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2010, 01:55:10 PM »
I wasn't kidding!! >:(

Yeah.  But it's still funny.   :)

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2010, 05:12:26 AM »
To anyone who cares about the system of democracy we live in, this decision is a total and complete travesty and a sign of things to come. If judges can supersede the will of the people and nullify public ballots based on their own personal agendas, then our laws, Constitution and the checks and balances that set forth our way of life are completely meaningless.

Whether you support homo marriage or not, you should be outraged by this case as an American.

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2010, 05:45:58 AM »
To anyone who cares about the system of democracy we live in, this decision is a total and complete travesty and a sign of things to come. If judges can supersede the will of the people and nullify public ballots based on their own personal agendas, then our laws, Constitution and the checks and balances that set forth our way of life are completely meaningless.

Whether you support homo marriage or not, you should be outraged by this case as an American.

America is a republic, GW. :)

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2010, 09:34:59 AM »
Did his sexual orientation play a role in his decision?  

Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
Friday, 06 Aug 2010

William G. Ross, an expert on judicial ethics and law professor at Samford University in Alabama, said a judge's sexual orientation has no more relevance to the ability to rule fairly on a case involving gay marriage than it would for a deeply religious judge or a judge who had been divorced multiple times.

"Under the logic of the people challenging the judge's fitness to rule on a case involving gay rights because he or she was gay, one would have to find a eunuch to serve on the case, because one could just as easily argue that a heterosexual judge couldn't rule on it either," Ross said.

exactly

what's going to happen if this goes to the Supreme Court?

Can a catholic heterosexual render an impartial ruling?

The fact is that this judge shredded the defenses case (which consisted of only 2 witnesses offering the same old tired and completely specious OPINIONS and no actual facts and if fact just made up complete bullshit)


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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2010, 01:27:11 PM »
If this decision is affirmed by the Supreme Court, this will be the Roe v. Wade of gay marriage. It sort of already is because of how poor of a decision it is. BUt for those of you independents that get freaked out by the political activism of religous and social conservatives, just wait until the Supreme Court affirms this decision. You aint seen nothin yet!!
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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2010, 01:34:07 PM »
fine; if he's gay he has to excuse himself due to bias..
oops, if the judge is str8, he would have to do the same thing - he would be biased for the other side.
guess that argument won't work....butt 333386 and tonymc will find a way to do it!
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2010, 01:59:17 PM »
fine; if he's gay he has to excuse himself due to bias..
oops, if the judge is str8, he would have to do the same thing - he would be biased for the other side.
guess that argument won't work....butt 333386 and tonymc will find a way to do it!
LOL why bring me into it?

I just want equal rights...gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room...im just looking for the same right is all...

whats wrong with that?

I thought all you gays were for equal rights? I guess its only when its in your benefit huh?

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2010, 02:13:47 PM »
LOL why bring me into it?

I just want equal rights...gays have the right to sexually harrass anyone they want in a locker room...im just looking for the same right is all...

whats wrong with that?

I thought all you gays were for equal rights? I guess its only when its in your benefit huh?

when did gays get that right?

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2010, 04:12:50 PM »
when did gays get that right?
the moment they were allowed to be openly gay and be in same sex locker rooms...


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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2010, 04:32:44 PM »
the moment they were allowed to be openly gay and be in same sex locker rooms...

LoL

"allowed" to be openly gay

how does that make them allowed to sexually harass anyone?

I think we've had this conversation before

do you get harassed alot by gay people?

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2010, 05:39:35 PM »
Tonymctone,

The other month some old creep pulled a heel bump while I was peeing, LOL!

My girl thought it was the funniest thing ever. >:(

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2010, 05:48:09 PM »
Tonymctone,

The other month some old creep pulled a heel bump while I was peeing, LOL!

My girl thought it was the funniest thing ever. >:(

Guys like this give mature men, like me, a bad name. You should have told him to keep his fucking feet where they belonged or turned and peed on his shoe.

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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2010, 06:24:16 PM »
Tonymctone,

The other month some old creep pulled a heel bump while I was peeing, LOL!

My girl thought it was the funniest thing ever. >:(

 :o

 :D


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Re: Judge's Personal Life Debated After Gay Ruling
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2010, 08:15:01 PM »
Guys like this give mature men, like me, a bad name. You should have told him to keep his fucking feet where they belonged or turned and peed on his shoe.

People who do crap like that are creeps. It has nothing to do with being gay.

Double Bee.... thanks for your compassion, LOL!