Why GH15 is full of it / is he Disgusted?

[WillGrant]

I'l make my reply brief and simple.
If everyone juices ( buisiness as usual) Ronnie blows them away at an unreal 286 and ripped.
If nobody juices , Ronnie still wins (in his prime) around 223-6 lbs

But you are living in a fantasy world...the fact is there is no real natural be it in bb or other professional sports because records wont get broken or you wont see freaks of nature like Ronnie at his best..sure the geneticly surperior will always be on top but this is what gh15 has said all along..its genetics and drugs to get the look they have.

[SF1900]

not to further shit on aaron singerman, i understand this was a difficult day for him in light of all the expectations people were carrying for him


but here is why the most important thing in bodybuilding is your response to drugs:


he is a guy who lives the bodybuilding lifestyle EVERY hour of EVERYDAY................ trains like  a bodybuilder, eats like a bodybuilders, sleeps like a bodybuilder

has access to some of the top prep minds in the industry, as his personal friends................. and no doubt has acess to some of the best sources in the industry



and with all that behind him.................THIS  IS WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE ON STAGE TODAY:


AARON IS ON RIGHT
 





WHY?  cause he has bad bodybuilding genetics and shitty response to hormones...........its nothing he did wrong.........he trained hard, he juiced correctly..............h e diet probably could have been a little more polished, but all in all he did what he was supposed to


he blew up to a doughy 280 in the offseason, and when all was said and done, with all the great gear he has access to , and all the minds he has access to..............when he dieted down, he ended up being a stickly 6'2 215-220......................nothing he did wrong, he  just doesnt have a great response to hormones

he was confusing fat for muscle, and when he went into a caloric deficit, most of his muscle disappeared...........
 


there are some guys, who with a couple of dbol can get leaner and carry more muscle then this............and THIS is an example of why GENETIC RESPONSE to HORMONES is SO IMPORTANT

(im not trying to shit on aaron, i dont have super-response either, he should be proud of himslef, he knows he will never be a IFBB pro..........he was just doign this to drum up attention for his radio show anyway, and it worked)

hahaha, drugs to look like that? Pathetic. 

[~UN_$ung~]

hahaha, drugs to look like that? Pathetic. 

well in aarons defense.........


just cause someone uses steroids, does not mean they will look like jay cutler


some choose to use moderate amounts, carry some extra muscle mass. .............and in aaron's case do a show here and there to promote his PT business and radio show


jay cutler uses tons and tons of steroids, grams upon grams and tons of insulin HGH IGF  and a myriad of other things


its like with cars.........it would be like saying there is just a ford escort and a ferrari................. .....when in truth we know there are countless cars boasting different performance levels between these two........a ford fusion., corvette, M3.....ect


the point is just cause someone takes steroids does not mean they should be chided for not lookign like an IFBB pro...............some people choose to use a little

IFBB pros chose to use A LOT........for LONG periods of time

[Howard]

well in aarons defense.........


just cause someone uses steroids, does not mean they will look like jay cutler


some choose to use moderate amounts, carry some extra muscle mass. .............and in aaron's case do a show here and there to promote his PT business and radio show


jay cutler uses tons and tons of steroids, grams upon grams and tons of insulin HGH IGF  and a myriad of other things


its like with cars.........it would be like saying there is just a ford escort and a ferrari................. .....when in truth we know there are countless cars boasting different performance levels between these two........a ford fusion., corvette, M3.....ect


the point is just cause someone takes steroids does not mean they should be chided for not lookign like an IFBB pro...............some people choose to use a little

IFBB pros chose to use A LOT........for LONG periods of time

Good post. You can't turn a Ford escort into a Indy race car hehehe. I agree that most who juice seem to use a LOT les then some IFBB pro.

[~UN_$ung~]

I don't know Aaron or what he took for drugs. I do know he had to diet his ass off to get this lean looking.
I bet he would be the first to tell ya a drug didn't do his diet nor did a drug get him into the gym. He looks lean and lanky but still built better than 95% of those who ever train in a gym.

I just hope to GOD he doesn't think he needs to find the magic drug potion to transform himself into a 290 lb muscle freak .
THAT is my main pt, no matter who you think is right ( me or GH15) I would hope you recognize that one can't make up for missing genetic talent in any sport. I have seen way too many people end up bitter and disguested over BB becuase they felt they never got the secret potion.

I bet Aaron would look about as good if took NO DRUGS. I mean if you guys say he doesn't respnd well to hormones could he not make the same gains without drugs then?

no, it goes like this: 


steroids WORK for EVERYONE.........there is no one in the world that steroids wont add muscle to (providing they are dieting, training, ect)

but they work better for some then for others


if aaron is 217 in that photo............with steroids, if he did it naturally, at 6'2.............he probably would have stepped on stage 30-40 lbs lighter

[SF1900]

well in aarons defense.........


just cause someone uses steroids, does not mean they will look like jay cutler


some choose to use moderate amounts, carry some extra muscle mass. .............and in aaron's case do a show here and there to promote his PT business and radio show


jay cutler uses tons and tons of steroids, grams upon grams and tons of insulin HGH IGF  and a myriad of other things


its like with cars.........it would be like saying there is just a ford escort and a ferrari................. .....when in truth we know there are countless cars boasting different performance levels between these two........a ford fusion., corvette, M3.....ect


the point is just cause someone takes steroids does not mean they should be chided for not lookign like an IFBB pro...............some people choose to use a little

IFBB pros chose to use A LOT........for LONG periods of time

I agree. However, is it worth it to take even a moderate amount of drugs to look like that? Hell, I am natural and I sort of look bigger than him. And I definitely don't live the bodybuilding lifestyle. I don't know, it just seems dumb to even take any amount of gear, especially if you're going to look like that, ya know.

[Howard]

no, it goes like this: 


steroids WORK for EVERYONE.........there is no one in the world that steroids wont add muscle to (providing they are dieting, training, ect)

but they work better for some then for others


if aaron is 217 in that photo............with steroids, if he did it naturally, at 6'2.............he probably would have stepped on stage 30-40 lbs lighter

Here is my food for thought .
It is a hell of alot more then ht/wt/body fat  and drugs. Arnold is the same ht as Aarron and in Pumping Iron he won the Olympia at 6'2" and weighed in around 226 lbs , hmmm only 9-10 more lbs than this guy. See my point .... Good night , thanks again.

[che]

I'l make my reply brief and simple.
If everyone juices ( buisiness as usual) Ronnie blows them away at an unreal 286 and ripped.
If nobody juices , Ronnie still wins (in his prime) around 223-6 lbs

You are an idiot.

[~UN_$ung~]

The big beef I have with GH15 is how he is 100% certain that a natty can only be "so big" something like a a 5'11" natty could never be over 185 lbs and 6% body fat. I have seen penty of massive "farm boy" types that can lift a ton as well as well as natty bodybuilders that are quite impressive .
I don't disagree with him ,you are anyone else that drugs are a big deal now in the current world of modern pro bodybuilding.
While I admire the big , freaky pros , I prefer a more classic looking (natty? ) physique.
The biggest shows have the biggest expos, fans and media so I enjoy going to them.
Thanks again to everyone who participated in this thread. It ended up being a good debate and exhange of ideas.

this is gettig boring , and you making yourslef look silly


of course there are big old farm boys, and big black dudes that walk around with impressive natural size.................but VERY VERY VERY rarely at single diget Bodyfat................. .and NEVER at 5-6%


your just starting to sound like a clueless old man who the scene past by


works like this...........good rule of thumb............people can get big without steroids, people can get shreaded without steroids................ but NO ONE gets  BIG and SHREDDED without steroids., (couple of blacks have amazing genetics, people think they look huge and ripped, but usually the leanness creates the illusion of being big..........most of the black guys who have the best genetics are 5'9 170-175 {add 7lbs per inch of height})

[SF1900]

I don't know Aaron or what he took for drugs. I do know he had to diet his ass off to get this lean looking.
I bet he would be the first to tell ya a drug didn't do his diet nor did a drug get him into the gym. He looks lean and lanky but still built better than 95% of those who ever train in a gym.

I just hope to GOD he doesn't think he needs to find the magic drug potion to transform himself into a 290 lb muscle freak .
THAT is my main pt, no matter who you think is right ( me or GH15) I would hope you recognize that one can't make up for missing genetic talent in any sport. I have seen way too many people end up bitter and disguested over BB becuase they felt they never got the secret potion.

I bet Aaron would look about as good if took NO DRUGS. I mean if you guys say he doesn't respnd well to hormones could he not make the same gains without drugs then?

He probably could have looked close to that doing it natural. Then again, if he looks that bad on gear, he would probably look horrible natural 

[Van_Bilderass]

You are an idiot.

Yeah, there is no ripped 226 Ronnie Coleman before using drugs. Ronnie never competed without them.

no, it goes like this:  


steroids WORK for EVERYONE.........there is no one in the world that steroids wont add muscle to (providing they are dieting, training, ect)

but they work better for some then for others


if aaron is 217 in that photo............with steroids, if he did it naturally, at 6'2.............he probably would have stepped on stage 30-40 lbs lighter

Exactly. It's amazing how clueless Howard is. He wouldn't even be close to that without the drugs. Take off at least 30lbs and add some fat.

I agree. However, is it worth it to take even a moderate amount of drugs to look like that? Hell, I am natural and I sort of look bigger than him. And I definitely don't live the bodybuilding lifestyle. I don't know, it just seems dumb to even take any amount of gear, especially if you're going to look like that, ya know.

He may not look like much on stage but without having seen you I can still say Aaron looks more jacked than you, when in a t-shirt, in a tank top at the gym, etc. Aaron shows all the signs of being on drugs, which no natural does. Like Unsung said, steroids work for everyone, and I bet Aaron is a big dude off stage in the off-season.

[SF1900]

Exactly. It's amazing how clueless Howard is.

He may not look like much on stage but without having seen you I can still say Aaron looks more jacked than you, when in a t-shirt, in a tank top at the gym, etc. Aaron shows all the signs of being on drugs, which no natural does. Like Unsung said, steroids work for everyone, and I bet Aaron is a big dude off stage in the off-season.

Yeah, it was more of a hyperbole. I am sure he is bigger than me. However, I just can't fathom taking drugs to look like that. I just can't. It is actually disconcerting   

[che]

Same gene pool

[StuartR]

Howard, you seem like a nice family man
but seriously for fucks sake stop posting on getbig
we dont appreciate the bullshit muscular development head in the sand shit here

[Van_Bilderass]

Yeah, it was more of a hyperbole. I am sure he is bigger than me. However, I just can't fathom taking drugs to look like that. I just can't. It is actually disconcerting   

At least Aaron has bigger pecs than Fankhouser who is a PRO! 

[SF1900]

At least Aaron has bigger pecs than Fankhouser who is a PRO! 

But no one has cooler teeth lol 

[~UN_$ung~]

Same gene pool

well, all things considered aaron has a big advantage over mike

mike has been at this shit since the 80s and looks like that.............aaron was a addicted to drugs  just two years ago, and not even lifting


so the fact that in this short a time, aaron can get to where mike got in 3 decades, maybe aaron should consider himself lucky

[che]

well, all things considered aaron has a big advantage over mike

mike has been at this shit since the 80s and looks like that.............aaron was a addicted to drugs  just two years ago, and not even lifting


so the fact that in this short a time, aaron can get to where mike got in 3 decades, maybe aaron should consider himself lucky

Yeah , but I think money was always a big issue for Mike (still shit genetics)

[dodger]

I'l make my reply brief and simple.
If everyone juices ( buisiness as usual) Ronnie blows them away at an unreal 286 and ripped.
If nobody juices , Ronnie still wins (in his prime) around 223-6 lbs

are you sure your last name isnt goodcum

[20inch calves]

i see what howard is saying. genetics, training, rest do make the bber. i remember an interview with nasser that said you can give a rotweiller and a greyhound the same amount of drugs but the rotweiller is always going to be bigger..or something to that effect.

when you think about it bbing is all genetics. thats why you see some like marcus ruhl he is a freak..now if you gave someone like say dave henry the same amount of drugs would he be as freaky..no.

take flex wheeler. i am sure he took as much as nasser..was he as big..no

[Wiggs]

Howard you've been around bb much longer than me...I've been around it 11 years.  I have kept my head clear from bullshit and see everything as it is.

1. You, Bob, Tom Prince and just about every pro PUBLICLY underestimate the use of drugs in bodybuilding.  No need to divert the conversation by saying all sports use, I'm not talking about all sports, I'm talking about bodybuilding.  EVERY PRO uses and at that level EVERY PRO uses alot.  The importance of the drugs is demonstrated by watching the drug tested Mr. O Haney competed in...

2.  Training while important is overrated.  This is demonstrated by the halfass effort you see pros give...NOT ALL PROS.  If you have great genetic response to drugs and eat what and when you are supposed to you will grow even training half ass...

3.  Food intake is incredibly important.  You gotta eat ALOT and not chicken and rice bullshit.  I believe this is tied in importance with drugs and drug response.  No drugs no pro size, not alot of food no pro size.

4. Drug response nuff said.

Not all pros are lazy or garbage their are diamonds like Jay, Ronnie and Yates that have everything going for them and you can't use these fellas as examples.

Bottom line is you all underestimate drug importance yet when you take drugs out of the equation, look at Mike "Popeye" Morris or like I said the Drug tested O.  It's clear as ice.

From what I wrote it may look like I'm saying you don't have to train or pros don't train....FALSE I'm saying if other things are covered, the amount of training and intensity said needed is overrated.  important but not as the others.

[Meso_z]

like I said

"Have you ever seen Chris Cormier train?"

what about you homosexual piece of shit, have YOU seen him train? 

[#1 Klaus fan]

The big beef I have with GH15 is how he is 100% certain that a natty can only be "so big" something like a a 5'11" natty could never be over 185 lbs and 6% body fat. I have seen penty of massive "farm boy" types that can lift a ton as well as well as natty bodybuilders that are quite impressive .
I don't disagree with him ,you are anyone else that drugs are a big deal now in the current world of modern pro bodybuilding.
While I admire the big , freaky pros , I prefer a more classic looking (natty? ) physique.
The biggest shows have the biggest expos, fans and media so I enjoy going to them.
Thanks again to everyone who participated in this thread. It ended up being a good debate and exhange of ideas.

So you have seen 5'11 farm boys who were over 185 pounds at under 6 % body fat? Amazing.

[johnnynoname]

what about you homosexual piece of shit, have YOU seen him train? 

yeah

he does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone

he does this for 2 hours

[Schmoe Buster]

Howard you've been around bb much longer than me...I've been around it 11 years.  I have kept my head clear from bullshit and see everything as it is.

1. You, Bob, Tom Prince and just about every pro PUBLICLY underestimate the use of drugs in bodybuilding.  No need to divert the conversation by saying all sports use, I'm not talking about all sports, I'm talking about bodybuilding.  EVERY PRO uses and at that level EVERY PRO uses alot.  The importance of the drugs is demonstrated by watching the drug tested Mr. O Haney competed in...

2.  Training while important is overrated.  This is demonstrated by the halfass effort you see pros give...NOT ALL PROS.  If you have great genetic response to drugs and eat what and when you are supposed to you will grow even training half ass...

3.  Food intake is incredibly important.  You gotta eat ALOT and not chicken and rice bullshit.  I believe this is tied in importance with drugs and drug response.  No drugs no pro size, not alot of food no pro size.

4. Drug response nuff said.

Not all pros are lazy or garbage their are diamonds like Jay, Ronnie and Yates that have everything going for them and you can't use these fellas as examples.

Bottom line is you all underestimate drug importance yet when you take drugs out of the equation, look at Mike "Popeye" Morris or like I said the Drug tested O.  It's clear as ice.

From what I wrote it may look like I'm saying you don't have to train or pros don't train....FALSE I'm saying if other things are covered, the amount of training and intensity said needed is overrated.  important but not as the others.

Good post Sir, hit the nail on the head