Why GH15 is full of it / is he Disgusted?

[flexingtonsteele]

hes saying he wishes people would have told him the truth. telling people that only steroids matter, and training really doesnt mean much, is just wrong. maybe theres 1 or 2 guys out there who can get on juice, never make any strength gains, and get some good results. but nobody is ever going to get huge unless they are consistantly getting stronger.

 

thats not what he said at all lol.

im not gonna argue with you bro, just sometimes u gotta sit back and learn from those who have had more experiences than us.

[tbombz]

thats not what he said at all lol.

im not gonna argue with you bro, just sometimes u gotta sit back and learn from those who have had more experiences than us.

no cuz gh15 used to say the same shit and influenced me to start being lazy about training. my results suffered and i didnt make any gains even though i was juicing. progressive overload is the name of the game, juice or no juice.

im all about learning from experience.

[flexingtonsteele]

no cuz gh15 used to say the same shit and influenced me to start being lazy about training. my results suffered and i didnt make any gains even though i was juicing. progressive overload is the name of the game, juice or no juice.

im all about learning from experience.

but jims not saying that at all lol! have him write u up a training program for 6 weeks and i promise you it'll be anything but lazy.

and bro learn from not only your own experiences but those with more experience than you!

[Disgusted]

you operate on the assumption that lifting weights isnt complicated. id say that 80% of weighlifters dont understand the basics. id also say that the reason most long term juicers dont look like the pros is because they arent training and eating properly along with their juicing. i know several dudes whove been juicing for years and they look the same as they did when they gained their initial 20ish pounds from jumping on cycle. theyre still lifting the same amount of weight, and still eating the same amount of food.

Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.

[flexingtonsteele]

Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.

jim, when u post as gh15 u say the same thing.

atleast keep disgusted seperate from gh15!

thank u

flexington

[Howard]

Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.

So by that fine logic, if you take plenty of drugs and eat a lot of food you will get big,strong and ripped without doing much lifting. wtf?
That makes about as much sense as saying jerking off , is better than having actual sex .
I swear to GOD I am laughing right now . Some of you nitwits never cease to amuse me with your keen insights...bravo, bravo  

[Disgusted]

So by that fine logic, if you take plenty of drugs and eat a lot of food you will get big,strong and ripped without doing much lifting. wtf?
That makes about as much sense as saying jerking off , is better than having actual sex .
I swear to GOD I am laughing right now . Some of you nitwits never cease to amuse me with your keen insights...bravo, bravo  

If you laugh, you laugh at yourself. Did I say that you did not need to lift much? I said least important. You twist my words to suite your insecurities.

[Shockwave]

If you take drugs, and you eat right, you can still grow more from everday work and activities than you could not.
If you lift weights, and eat right, and not juice, youll never go pass the 200lbs mark.
If you do drugs, lift, and dont eat, your not going to grow period.
Bottom line Howard, lifting is the least important of the three. I know it makes you butthurt, but you may as well accept that.
Theyre all important, however your progress is gonna be worst if you slack off on eating or drugs more than lifting.
You can watch any pro train today and realize that. 

[tbombz]

Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.

i agree with everything. but when you use that bowflex you better be getting stronger every workout.

[Disgusted]

If you take drugs, and you eat right, you can still grow more from everday work and activities than you could not.
If you lift weights, and eat right, and not juice, youll never go pass the 200lbs mark.
If you do drugs, lift, and dont eat, your not going to grow period.
Bottom line Howard, lifting is the least important of the three. I know it makes you butthurt, but you may as well accept that.
Theyre all important, however your progress is gonna be worst if you slack off on eating or drugs more than lifting.
You can watch any pro train today and realize that. 

Correct, if all it took to get bigger was getting stronger then all the pros would benching 900 pounds and winning all the power lifting meets. Some of these guys are still the same amount of weights they were using as a state level champ.

[Disgusted]

i agree with everything. but when you use that bowflex you better be getting stronger every workout.

Read my response to Shockwave.

[Howard]

If you take drugs, and you eat right, you can still grow more from everday work and activities than you could not.
If you lift weights, and eat right, and not juice, youll never go pass the 200lbs mark.
If you do drugs, lift, and dont eat, your not going to grow period.
Bottom line Howard, lifting is the least important of the three. I know it makes you butthurt, but you may as well accept that.
Theyre all important, however your progress is gonna be worst if you slack off on eating or drugs more than lifting.
You can watch any pro train today and realize that. 

I can't even respond to that nonsense ...I  wish you happy hunting and good luck

[tbombz]

Correct, if all it took to get bigger was getting stronger then all the pros would benching 900 pounds and winning all the power lifting meets. Some of these guys are still the same amount of weights they were using as a state level champ.

you should re-read your posts before submitting them. i get what your saying but, the way your workding it makes it appear like your syaing something else. now, on to the subject at hand..

are those guys any bigger than when they were state level champ? if you havent lifted heavier weight or done more reps, then your muscle hasnt grown.

[Master Blaster]

i agree with everything. but when you use that bowflex you better be getting stronger every workout.

Tell that to Chris Corimer. He really pushed himself every workout to maximize his gains. 

[Shockwave]

I can't even respond to that nonsense ...I  wish you happy hunting and good luck

Yup, just as I thought, you cant refute what I said so instead you stick to your guns stubbornly and refuse to admit youre wrong. Lol.
Its pretty clear who the fool is, the old guy who is so set in his ways cause you "just know better". Lol. What absolute garbage.

Right now, Youre being that old fucker that you argued with when you were a kid, who was dead wrong and you knew it, but he just wouldnt admit he was wrong. Thats you.

Look howard, you can look at these pros train today and realize what is said is true, No one said lifting isnt important, but its far and away the least important of the three. Cause so many of these pros are so hardcore. lol.

[io856]

Tell that to Chris Corimer. He really pushed himself every workout to maximize his gains. 

he did to gain his muscle for sure

hungry...

[flexingtonsteele]

you should re-read your posts before submitting them. i get what your saying but, the way your workding it makes it appear like your syaing something else. now, on to the subject at hand..

are those guys any bigger than when they were state level champ? if you havent lifted heavier weight or done more reps, then your muscle hasnt grown.

u can get bigger without lifting heavier weights.
load is only one mechanism by which a muscle can grow.
i went to college with some sprinters on the track team who had HUGE quads and hams and they rarely squated over 225.

[Vince B]

What a bunch of bullshit posted here. It is possible to get huge without drugs or supplements. The flotsam is too damn thick to even investigate the possibility. Almost everyone is a follower and believes what the other guy believes. No wonder the public believe bodybuilders are stupid. Most are. Ignorant as well.

[Disgusted]

Hey Vince, can you post a pic of someone who you absolutely know to be totally drug free and huge? Thanks

[Howard]

Yup, just as I thought, you cant refute what I said so instead you stick to your guns stubbornly and refuse to admit youre wrong. Lol.
Its pretty clear who the fool is, the old guy who is so set in his ways cause you "just know better". Lol. What absolute garbage.

Right now, Youre being that old fucker that you argued with when you were a kid, who was dead wrong and you knew it, but he just wouldnt admit he was wrong. Thats you.

Look howard, you can look at these pros train today and realize what is said is true, No one said lifting isnt important, but its far and away the least important of the three. Cause so many of these pros are so hardcore. lol.

Since you made a thoughtful resonse I will do likewise.
Believe it or not I have made good steady gains my entire life and used very few drugs . At 51, I can still do 8-10 strict reps with 315 on the bench .
I am 5 '10" around 250 with 20" arms , but I do admit I need to get leaner this yr.
I am NOT alone and know plenty of other guys that have done the same in bodybulding, powerlifting, football training, etc.
Over my 33 years in the iron game I have done ok in bodybuilding, powerlifting and arm wrestling. I held my own, winning various state/regional meets and am proud of what I acomplished via hard, ball busting workouts. I don't just talk theory here but actual fact and action.
I am no expert on steroids but do know for a fact that busting ass in the gym with some heavy iron and good basic food will make you bigger and stronger. At my age I look back with no regrets, proud that I did my best with the talent I had. Some claim I would have done better had I used a lot more drugs. Sure I would have done better at bigger shows, but I never was going to be anything great, no matter how many drugs I took.
If you want to believe you can make incredible gains via drugs WITHOUT hard training, all I can say again , is good luck.
I don't know you, GH15 or your pals who post here, or what your plans in lifting or BB are. BUT I do know you won't win shit if you really have that kind of training attitude.
Ok let's shift gears for a second and let's end this on a positive note. Go ahead and take whatever drugs you want BUT add some ball busting training and good diet to it and see what happens. I bet you do better than you ever imagined you could.For added motivation watch some training clips of Arnold in PUMPING IRON busting ass in his prime.
Look, I can understand doing a limited amount of drugs due to legal and $$ reasons. You are correct , I am that old fart trying to talk some sense to a young buck. Maybe you will blow me off and call me crazy. BUT, what do you have to lose from spending the next few months giving 100% in the gym>? Go for it!

[Vince B]

As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.

[luvvsuNOT]

Hey Vince, can you post a pic of someone who you absolutely know to be totally drug free and huge? Thanks

Exactly! This guy has been posting his own "bunch of BS" for years. Vince, you present a lot of theories for "muscle hypertrophy". You don't need anabolics. You can get huge at any age after puberty. Can you please give us one example. Just one fucking example. Of someone who is huge, and i mean Ronnie coleman, Jay Cutler, Kai Greene huge with out drugs. And is there anybody, anybody at all, who has been able to maintain their size until their sixties. I know you will say that Bill Grant or Robby Robinson don't train and eat like they use and that's why their not as hgue as they were. But maybe it's because of age that thy are no longer able to train like they did before. Bill Grant said that due to age he can no longer do bar bell squats.

Amnd I know you will say that nobody has given your theories a fair go because they always resort to drugs. You ever think that the reason they started taking drugs is because how many and different traiining routines they followed, includeing yours which is nothing new, they reached a stand still.

Why don't you apply your theories to yourself? I know, I know, because you are no longer interested and have the drive to build big muscels. Every think that the reason for that is becaus your old. Yor testosteron level is so low you can even manage a decent hard on let alone find the drive to push some heavy wieights.

Shut up already, everyody has heard your rants and nobody cares.And it's no because we're all dumb, It's because we're smart and have seen it all already and have dealt with delusinal theorist like you.

I know, I know, everyone is an expert. You too.

[Master Blaster]

As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.

[luvvsuNOT]

As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.

Reeeves, Ross and Grimek couldn't win a local show in a high school auditorium today. And many train just as hard if not harder thatn your old heroes. Guys like Coleman and Branch bust their asses. And so do a lot of no names that are out there.

Easilhy win the olympia with modern mcahines and nutrition. LOL!

[Howard]

As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.

To me what is kinda sad is here we have an actual former Mr Canada with decades of diet and training wisdom (YOU Vince!) .
Yet, these numbnuts would rather  listen to some internet guru who doesn't have a real ID.
I know you don't agree with Bob Chick, but he was a Mr USA and IFBB pro. Yup, the even give him shit and rarely listen to his advice and answers.
I am not a great BB , but am an experienced NPC judge and even judged the Mr America. In all modesty I have a pretty good knowldge base some of these young guys could learn from.
I know you first gained your knowledge  from the older lifters in the gym ,hands on, as did I. Nobody paid for a contest guru or trainer when I first competed . You got the advice of the best , experienced BB in your gym and you LISTENED. In Arnold's book " Education of a BB" he explains how he picked the older lifters brains and they took him under their wing.
It was trial and error in the gym and a lot of hard work. Sure, some guys took drugs but it was used to SUPPLEMENT the hard work and good diet.
Oh, well some guys never learn.