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Good question. 


OPINION

Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
By Andrea Tantaros
Published August 06, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The battle over the proposed mosque and community center near Ground Zero has sparked outrage and fury.

The argument from those who oppose it: it’s an incredibly insensitive move designed to deliberately provoke the nation from a radical Imam who says the U.S. is culpable for the attacks of 9/11. They’re correct.

What’s surprising is the level of outrage from the other side -- mostly those on the left – who argue we must allow the building of the mosque and community center in the name of tolerance of Islam. Where are these shrieking voices in defense when other religions like Christianity and Judaism are under attack?

There has always been a double standard when it comes to understanding and explaining the Muslim religion verses Christianity.

While many Muslim countries ban women from voting, driving a car, and threaten to kill anyone who speaks of Christ within their borders, you rarely hear those on the left invoke sharp criticism or shake their finger in fury.

Instead, they save the attacks and their selective attention span for the random “Christian” who blocks an abortion clinic.

When the radical Islamic Fort Hood shooter claimed the life of twelve soldiers, the media dubbed him “troubled.”

A CNN.com article, along with many others, only identified him an “Army psychologist” and failed to make any reference to his ties to radical jihadism or make initial references to his religion – even after e-mails were found detailing his extremist views.

But when a Michigan-based militia group was indicted in an alleged plot to kill law enforcement officers with improvised explosive devices they were quickly – and inaccurately – labeled as a “Christian militia group” – not just in the body of an ABC News.com article, but in the headline, too.

In his book “Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity," David Limbaugh details the double standard: The media portrays Christians as unreasonable and violent, charging them with violent acts against abortionists, abortion clinics or homosexuals while at the same time both Hollywood and the press  downplay injustices and violent acts committed against Christians.

A favorite media tactic is the use of the pejorative term "religious right" to describe Christian conservatives, implying such believers are "intolerant” and “backwoods fanatics.”

It’s no big deal when newspapers dub Christians “The American Taliban.” And it’s okay for Ted Turner to call Catholics with ashes on their head “Jesus freaks.” But God forbid you refer to the guys crashing the planes into building as Allah freaks.

Comedian and commentator Dennis Miller offered an accurate explanation for why the left and the mainstream media seek to appease the Muslim community and have been defending the Ground Zero mosque so ardently on an August 4 episode of "The O’Reilly Factor": “People are afraid to say anything about radical Islam because they get blown up.”

Instead of staying true to our values so that we don’t let the terrorists win, many Americans (the president included) are shackled by fear or a belief that the nicer we are, the less they’ll come after us. They speak out on discrimination and freedom, except when it comes to defending Christianity.

That’s why the fervent defense of the Ground Zero mosque by those on the left was so unsurprising, and so nauseating. We are a nation of all religions, they chanted. We must stay true to our values, they screamed. Both of these statements are accurate. But why not defend Christianity or Judaism with that kind of passion?

If the Muslims who want to build the mosque for “bridge building” and an “interfaith dialogue” truly wanted to practice what they preach then they will move it or make it an actual interfaith center. Until then, the only bridge I see is the one that’s burning.

As Steven Schwarz, executive director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism, wrote in the August 3rd edition of the New York Post, “Traditional, moderate Islam teaches Muslims living in non-Muslim-majority societies to obey the laws and customs of the country in which they reside. They must avoid conflict with their non-Muslim neighbors whenever possible.”

You see, tolerance isn’t a one sided thing. For the extremists that want to blow us up, it doesn’t matter what we say or do. They’ll still plot to destroy us. For the many millions of peaceful Muslims, they’ll respect us more if we equally defend and apply the same standard of tolerance to all religions that we do theirs.

Andrea Tantaros is a conservative commentator and FoxNews.com contributor. Follow her on Twitter @andreatantaros.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/05/andrea-tantaros-ground-zero-mosque-double-standard-religion-liberals/

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2010, 07:31:10 PM »
Good question.  


OPINION

Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
By Andrea Tantaros
Published August 06, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The battle over the proposed mosque and community center near Ground Zero has sparked outrage and fury.

The argument from those who oppose it: it’s an incredibly insensitive move designed to deliberately provoke the nation from a radical Imam who says the U.S. is culpable for the attacks of 9/11. They’re correct.

What’s surprising is the level of outrage from the other side -- mostly those on the left – who argue we must allow the building of the mosque and community center in the name of tolerance of Islam. Where are these shrieking voices in defense when other religions like Christianity and Judaism are under attack?

There has always been a double standard when it comes to understanding and explaining the Muslim religion verses Christianity.

While many Muslim countries ban women from voting, driving a car, and threaten to kill anyone who speaks of Christ within their borders, you rarely hear those on the left invoke sharp criticism or shake their finger in fury.

Instead, they save the attacks and their selective attention span for the random “Christian” who blocks an abortion clinic.

When the radical Islamic Fort Hood shooter claimed the life of twelve soldiers, the media dubbed him “troubled.”

A CNN.com article, along with many others, only identified him an “Army psychologist” and failed to make any reference to his ties to radical jihadism or make initial references to his religion – even after e-mails were found detailing his extremist views.

But when a Michigan-based militia group was indicted in an alleged plot to kill law enforcement officers with improvised explosive devices they were quickly – and inaccurately – labeled as a “Christian militia group” – not just in the body of an ABC News.com article, but in the headline, too.

In his book “Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity," David Limbaugh details the double standard: The media portrays Christians as unreasonable and violent, charging them with violent acts against abortionists, abortion clinics or homosexuals while at the same time both Hollywood and the press  downplay injustices and violent acts committed against Christians.

A favorite media tactic is the use of the pejorative term "religious right" to describe Christian conservatives, implying such believers are "intolerant” and “backwoods fanatics.”

It’s no big deal when newspapers dub Christians “The American Taliban.” And it’s okay for Ted Turner to call Catholics with ashes on their head “Jesus freaks.” But God forbid you refer to the guys crashing the planes into building as Allah freaks.

Comedian and commentator Dennis Miller offered an accurate explanation for why the left and the mainstream media seek to appease the Muslim community and have been defending the Ground Zero mosque so ardently on an August 4 episode of "The O’Reilly Factor": “People are afraid to say anything about radical Islam because they get blown up.”

Instead of staying true to our values so that we don’t let the terrorists win, many Americans (the president included) are shackled by fear or a belief that the nicer we are, the less they’ll come after us. They speak out on discrimination and freedom, except when it comes to defending Christianity.

That’s why the fervent defense of the Ground Zero mosque by those on the left was so unsurprising, and so nauseating. We are a nation of all religions, they chanted. We must stay true to our values, they screamed. Both of these statements are accurate. But why not defend Christianity or Judaism with that kind of passion?

If the Muslims who want to build the mosque for “bridge building” and an “interfaith dialogue” truly wanted to practice what they preach then they will move it or make it an actual interfaith center. Until then, the only bridge I see is the one that’s burning.

As Steven Schwarz, executive director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism, wrote in the August 3rd edition of the New York Post, “Traditional, moderate Islam teaches Muslims living in non-Muslim-majority societies to obey the laws and customs of the country in which they reside. They must avoid conflict with their non-Muslim neighbors whenever possible.”

You see, tolerance isn’t a one sided thing. For the extremists that want to blow us up, it doesn’t matter what we say or do. They’ll still plot to destroy us. For the many millions of peaceful Muslims, they’ll respect us more if we equally defend and apply the same standard of tolerance to all religions that we do theirs.

Andrea Tantaros is a conservative commentator and FoxNews.com contributor. Follow her on Twitter @andreatantaros.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/05/andrea-tantaros-ground-zero-mosque-double-standard-religion-liberals/

where is the left wing outrage and "fervent defense"  that they mention in the article

you'd think they list some examples or something so we can at least judge for ourselves if the "outrage" and "fervent defense" actually even exists or if it's just typical propaganda from Faux News

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2010, 07:39:04 PM »
I'm not defending Muslims, but the American Christians (Bush People) were 100% behind the war of aggression that's responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent people being killed.

That's extremely christian...  ::)



I hope people who supported this despicable act are delt with by god when their time comes.
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2010, 07:43:47 PM »
I'm not defending Muslims, but the American Christians (Bush People) were 100% behind the war of aggression that's responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent people being killed.

That's extremely christian...  ::)





Right out of the liberal playbook. 

Even assuming what you say is true, what does this have to do with liberal inconsistency when it comes to Muslims and Christians? 

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2010, 07:47:07 PM »
Right out of the liberal playbook.  

Even assuming what you say is true, what does this have to do with liberal inconsistency when it comes to Muslims and Christians?  

I'm not a liberal, so I wouldn't know.  I'm just against the senseless slaughter of innocent people, is that liberal?  I thought that was just part of being a decent human being?

I'd be just as critical of modern Muslims if they were responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of my innocent Christian friends and neighbors.
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2010, 07:50:54 PM »
I'm not a liberal, so I wouldn't know.  I'm just against the senseless slaughter of innocent people, is that liberal?  I thought that was just part of being a decent human being?

I'd be just as critical of modern Muslims if they were responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of my innocent Christian friends and neighbors.

I see.  You're not a liberal, you just use liberal talking points . . . which have nothing to do with the thread. 

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2010, 07:55:27 PM »
I see.  You're not a liberal, you just use liberal talking points . . . which have nothing to do with the thread.  

I admit this fact to everyone here, if opposing the senseless slaughter of innocent people is a liberal "talking point", than I'm Nancy Pelosi.

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2010, 08:00:10 PM »
I admit this fact to everyone here, if opposing the senseless slaughter of innocent people is a liberal "talking point", than I'm Nancy Pelosi.

 :P

Yes, you sound like Nancy Pelosi.   :)

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2010, 08:01:02 PM »
Yes, you sound like Nancy Pelosi.   :)

I can't deny it anymore, I'm a liberal whore...  ;D
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2010, 08:01:49 PM »
I admit this fact to everyone here, if opposing the senseless slaughter of innocent people is a liberal "talking point", than I'm Nancy Pelosi.

 :P

Very well said Eyeball!  :)
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2010, 08:03:08 PM »
I can't deny it anymore, I'm a liberal whore...  ;D

Well . . . anytime you have Jag agreeing with you . . . .

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2010, 08:05:06 PM »
Very well said Eyeball!  :)

Thanks!  Believe it or not but before now I wasn't aware that opposing the killing of innocent people was a uniquely liberal viewpoint.   :o
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2010, 08:07:44 PM »
Right out of the liberal playbook. 

Even assuming what you say is true, what does this have to do with liberal inconsistency when it comes to Muslims and Christians? 

What  liberal inconsistency are you refering to? for the most part, liberals aren't onboard for some holy war, and aren't doing everything in their power to bring about "Armageddon". your article talks about American liberals being opposed to extremist behaviour within it's own borders, but faults them for not being outraged about extremism abroad? Maybe American Liberals like to focus on America? maybe they think interfering in other countries and imposing their will on other countries isn't their place, and maybe they just can't stand blind hypocrisy that hides behind the pulpit.

Why shouldn't Muslims be permitted to build a mosque in the vicinity of Ground Zero?
Do you believe that only Christians died in 911, ...that there were no Muslim casualties on that day?
...or is that you believe Muslims should not be permitted to worship?
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2010, 08:09:11 PM »
Thanks!  Believe it or not but before now I wasn't aware that opposing the killing of innocent people was a uniquely liberal viewpoint.   :o

I never used to think so either, ...but after seeing the stateside discussions for the past 8 yrs... apparently it is.  ;D
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2010, 08:09:16 PM »
I still haven't seen any examples yet of the so called left wing outrage and "fervent defense"  mentioned in the article

I guess if Fox says it happened then it must be true  ;)

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2010, 08:13:14 PM »
It's simple, really. Our own fundamentalists are actually worse because they've had the benefit of education, modern society and every technology in the world yet still see the bible as God's literal word.  :)

Islamic fundamentalists are perceived as less of a threat because we'll eventually get scared enough to nuke them all. :) The killing won't matter much because they aren't real people for political purposes.

There isn't really much difference between either political group beyond what issues they choose to be hypocritical over. That's one of the reasons things are so messed up.

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2010, 08:13:51 PM »
What  liberal inconsistency are you refering to? for the most part, liberals aren't onboard for some holy war, and aren't doing everything in their power to bring about "Armageddon". your article talks about American liberals being opposed to extremist behaviour within it's own borders, but faults them for not being outraged about extremism abroad? Maybe American Liberals like to focus on America? maybe they think interfering in other countries and imposing their will on other countries isn't their place, and maybe they just can't stand blind hypocrisy that hides behind the pulpit.

Why shouldn't Muslims be permitted to build a mosque in the vicinity of Ground Zero?
Do you believe that only Christians died in 911, ...that there were no Muslim casualties on that day?
...or is that you believe Muslims should not be permitted to worship?

The mosque can be built any number of places, just not at ground zero.  As drinking with Bob tried to explain in the clip 33 posted, it's common-freaking-sense.  We don't have a Japanese shrine at Pearl Harbor.  There is nothing honoring Germans at the Holocaust Museum.  

Who said anything about Muslims not being permitted to worship?   ::)  They don't have the "right" to worship anyplace they choose.  They have to right to build a church wherever the city council tells them too.    

Hopefully, sanity will prevail and they move the mosque someplace else.  

But this still doesn't explain the liberal inconsistency.  I watched a portion of Anderson Cooper the other day interviewing someone about this.  He was all over the guy.   ::)

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2010, 08:16:19 PM »

Islamic fundamentalists are perceived as less of a threat because we'll eventually get scared enough to nuke them all. :) The killing won't matter much because they aren't real people for political purposes.


You think liberals view Muslims as less of a threat than who?  The Westboro nuts?  Not much of a comparison between "radical Islam" and "radical Christianity." 


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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2010, 08:17:39 PM »
Unless there are some actual examples of the left wing outrage and "fervent defense"  I'm assuming the entire premise of the article is simply another Faux News Fabrication

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2010, 08:38:49 PM »
The mosque can be built any number of places, just not at ground zero.  As drinking with Bob tried to explain in the clip 33 posted, it's common-freaking-sense.  We don't have a Japanese shrine at Pearl Harbor.  There is nothing honoring Germans at the Holocaust Museum.  

Who said anything about Muslims not being permitted to worship?   ::)  They don't have the "right" to worship anyplace they choose.  They have to right to build a church wherever the city council tells them too.    

Hopefully, sanity will prevail and they move the mosque someplace else.  

But this still doesn't explain the liberal inconsistency.  I watched a portion of Anderson Cooper the other day interviewing someone about this.  He was all over the guy.   ::)

Why not at ground zero?  ???  It's not common sense to me, so why don't you explain it?
I'll forego watching the Drinking with Bob clip thankyouverymuch.
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2010, 08:49:18 PM »
Why not at ground zero?  ???  It's not common sense to me, so why don't you explain it?
I'll forego watching the Drinking with Bob clip thankyouverymuch.
I prefer 2 way conversations with those a bit more rational, and far less psychotic empassioned

I can't really help you with common sense part.  You either have it, or you don't. 

Islamic extremists were responsible for the destruction of the WTC.  There are serious questions about the funding sources for this particular mosque.  The guy (inman or whatever you call him) leading the effort essentially blamed the U.S. for the 911 attacks.  The 911 victims families don't want it there.  It's "common-freaking-sense."  And I don't even need the bold, large font.   ::)

In addition to common sense, you need to have that sensitivity gene to appreciate this.   

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2010, 12:22:45 AM »
I can't really help you with common sense part.  You either have it, or you don't. 

Islamic extremists were responsible for the destruction of the WTC.

Questionable, but for the sake of argument, I will not dispute this, but will accept it at face value

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  There are serious questions about the funding sources for this particular mosque.  The guy (inman or whatever you call him) leading the effort essentially blamed the U.S. for the 911 attacks.

As do many muslims, christians, jews etc., both in and outside of the USA.



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The 911 victims families don't want it there.

Understandable, reactionary, ...but not sufficient cause to prevent it from taking place.

I now understand the reasoning. but despite understanding it, i do not agree with it.

Just as Army Vets or gays do not have the right to prevent Westboro baptist church from erecting a church in or near the vicinity of Arlington national cememtary, neither do some of the family members of those who died in 911 have the right to say we don't want to see a mosque near where our relatives died because those who perpetrated the crime were muslim. What of the muslim families who lost members in the 911 attack?

Christians don't get to say we don't want to see any government building erected in Waco TX because a government agency was responsible for the deaths of our loved ones at the Koresh compound. And they shouldn't have the right to say ground zero should be a muslim-free mosque-free zone.

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It's "common-freaking-sense."  And I don't even need the bold, large font.   ::)

cute.

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In addition to common sense, you need to have that sensitivity gene to appreciate this.   

I'd be a liar if I didn't at least admit that last little jab made me giggle.

In a perfect world, we would all be sensitive to the "sensitivities" (for want of a better word) of others,
...however, it does not justify infringing on the rights of others. Many atheists do not want to see churches erected in their neighbourhoods, and to them I say "Suck it up and deal with it". Public sentiment, no matter how sympathetic or empathetic should be considered sufficient justification for the infringement on the rights of others. You are living in America, not Saudi Arabia.
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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2010, 05:31:51 AM »
You think liberals view Muslims as less of a threat than who?  The Westboro nuts?  Not much of a comparison between "radical Islam" and "radical Christianity." 



Less of a threat to our way of life due to the system of checks and balances America has in place.

Another issue is our Middle East policy has definitely caused some of this mess. People need to find enough character, honesty, balls, or whatever it takes so better policies can be made in the future. It's too late for fixing the mess over there but we can at least avoid the same mistakes.

Lastly, a mosque at ground zero sends the wrong message and will only cause more death. Anyone who can't understand that simple fact is either too fvcking stupid to debate with or deliberately being obtuse to get an emotional response.

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2010, 05:36:19 AM »
Very simple.  Most leftists are cowards and moral jelly fish and will go after people they know wont fight back. 


Liberals are not scared of attacking priests or nuns because they know there will be no ramifications.  This is why most liberals are silent on muslims.  Muslims would not tolerate their garbage and they know it.   

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Re: Why Won't the Left Defend Christians As Fiercely As It Defends Muslims?
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2010, 06:42:37 AM »
maybe they think interfering in other countries and imposing their will on other countries isn't their place...


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Why shouldn't Muslims be permitted to build a mosque in the vicinity of Ground Zero?



It's truly amazing that you can't see your own hypocritical stupidity.  Just amazing.