The guy on the bottom vid could be natty. I mean how much does he weigh? he is just ripped with good muscle shape.
you know, with all due respect...........im not even trying to be an asshole
for how long you said you have been in the sport, you REALLY have your head in your ass
this:
guy in first video, could be natural, but probably not, if he is not natural he isnt using much...........probably something like OTC prohormones or winstrol
guys in second: DEFIANTLY NOT NATURAL, he is on a LOT of gear, his muscles have the "pop" look you get when your on a lot of shit.........that swole 3d look is something only granted by steroids