Not this stupid shit again. Layne would be a fitness/bodybuilding nobody if he didn't use the natural tag line. His natural genetics suck. He'd be a nobody even if he was using copious amounts of steroids. So he claims natural. That way in everyone's eyes he's amazing. LMAO! And people aka idiots eat this shit up. The guy is not "natural". Just compare his physique to known juicers from the 60s and 70s. Does he use test, gh, dbol, t3 etc? Probably not but he's even admitted to using ECA. I'm sure he's used his fair share of prohormones as well. Superdrol is some/was some very potent shit. Just because it's legal aka caffeine, ECA, prohormones doesn't make someone "natural". Layne has created a huge cult following for other natural idiots that think downing 5 highly processed protein shakes a day, a handful of processed vitamins, various pills and supplements, shaving your arms and legs like a girl, and posing in a pair of black panties is "NATURAL"!> The entire "natural" moniker is fucking stupid. All you natural guys are such hypocrite idiots. I've found good old gym rat juices to be some of the most honest guys I've ever met..........natural guys are some of the biggest schmucks around that will lie to your face about what they take and what they eat.