MY personal challenge to the get big - GH15 camp.

[Howard]

To all the getbiggers in the GH15, drugs w/genetics are everything camp.
How about this to finally PROVE my side of the argument.
I am going to finally DIET again and bust my ass training to compete again . I will post contest pics and be 100% honest about what I did to prep, my body wt, body fat% , etc.
I am looking to do a show by next May??? as my time frame. I gotta lose some serious fat and get my body used to a really serious BB diet again.
The only drug I will use is my 1 packet a day of prescribed Androgel which keeps my testosterone levels at 600-700 mg/dl.
Keep in mind I will be age 52 on contest day and last competed in 1995.
I have just slightly above average genetics and am  past my prime.
I predict I can compete at 5-6% body fat and around around 195 lbs.

So what do you say? If an AVERAGE , Mr Nobody,  middle aged douchebag like me can compete ripped at my age ( 5'10" and mid 190's ripped) without anything other than my 1 prescribed pack of androgel daily ,will it prove my case?
Think about it like this. I am an avg nobody gym lifter .
* If I can be ripped at 195, surely a genetic freak pro like Jay would be at least 215 ripped or more in his prime ,on very few drugs or natty.

[wes]

Deja Vu !!

[SgtSpar]

I predict I can compete at 5-6% body fat and around around 195 lbs.

I wish you the best, but I don't think you can do it.  That's almost as big as Mentzer when he was competing and he wasn't 5%.

[SgtSpar]

How tall are you?

[Howard]

I wish you the best, but I don't think you can do it.  That's almost as big as Mentzer when he was competing and he wasn't 5%.

I am 5 ft, 9 and half inches ( a tad under 5'10").
My best natty wt was 202 and around 5% when I last competed in 1994-95.

It will tough , but what drives ms proof that an avg blowhard with hard work can do a lot better than most realize.

[Howard]

Deja Vu !!

Did you do a similar thing? Just curious.
I know this may seem odd, but I really enjoy doing UNtested regional or state level shows with little or no drugs.
I really take it as compliment when some feel I lie about not useing much of anything to compet and hold my own.
Mind you , I am NOTHING all that great as a BB. I just KNOW from doing it, that what the GH15 crowd claims are the upper limits is way too low.
Look at the IFBB pros at my ht. All 40 , 50 or more lbs above 200, c'mon THAT is a freak and ya gotta think they could be a LOT bigger than me in natty limits.

[disturbia]

if I jump off a building will you copy me?

[SgtSpar]

I am 5 ft, 9 and half inches ( a tad under 5'10").
My best natty wt was 202 and around 5% when I last competed in 1994-95.

It will tough , but what drives ms proof that an avg blowhard with hard work can do a lot better than most realize.

Do you have pics from the show?  Not saying you are lying, just 5% as a natural is hard to believe, esp at that weight.

[Howard]

if I jump off a building will you copy me?

I admit this was inspired by your challenge! I liked your idea so I jumped on the format for my own challenge

[che]

I am 5 ft, 9 and half inches ( a tad under 5'10").
My best natty wt was 202 and around 5% when I last competed in 1994-95.

It will tough , but what drives ms proof that an avg blowhard with hard work can do a lot better than most realize.

I bet you were clean for a couple of month ,not natural .

[240 is Back]

I wouldn't call you "an AVERAGE , Mr Nobody,  middle aged douchebag" if you're sitting at 600 to 700 T levels.

You've got the T-levels of a 20 year old!
http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html

[Howard]

Do you have pics from the show?  Not saying you are lying, just 5% as a natural is hard to believe, esp at that weight.

I understand and would want some proof myself. For right now the contest on record is the 1994 NPC Ironman Natural held Aug in the Baton Rouge Centroplex. I won the hvy wt , whic means I had to be over 199 lbs. (Lt hvy limit) The caliper pinch test I did had me at 5.3 % at a carbed up wt of 202 and no drugs for 7 yrs ( since 87)
They are 15-16 yrs lld and reg pic before a digital camera was used like now. I plan on scanning them and others on to a CD rom at the Kodak kiosk in Rite Aid  soon and will be sure to post them here for better or worse.

To me it was no big deal. I did a few NC  shows in the 80's against Wayne Grady who was around 5'11" and competed ripped natty at 215-217.
He won the Jr USA overall and the first ever Team Universe in 1994. He passed a urine drug test several times.
I know at least 3-4 others that did it like me, no biggy in my book.

[Howard]

I wouldn't call you "an AVERAGE , Mr Nobody,  middle aged douchebag" if you're sitting at 600 to 700 T levels.

You've got the T-levels of a 20 year old!
http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html

Exactly , I am in the NORMAL ideal range for a guy 20 yrs younger. That is why I can still meet similar wts and fat% at my age now.Notice the vels I maintain are in the ideal for a guy in his prime years via blood work data and my Doc.

[che]

I understand and would want some proof myself. For right now the contest on record is the 1994 NPC Ironman Natural held Aug in the Baton Rouge Centroplex. I won the hvy wt , whic means I had to be over 199 lbs. (Lt hvy limit) The caliper pinch test I did had me at 5.3 % at a carbed up wt of 202 and no drugs for 7 yrs ( since 87)
They are 15-16 yrs lld and reg pic before a digital camera was used like now. I plan on scanning them and others on to a CD rom at the Kodak kiosk in Rite Aid  soon and will be sure to post them here for better or worse.

To me it was no big deal. I did a few NC  shows in the 80's against Wayne Grady who was around 5'11" and competed ripped natty at 215-217.
He won the Jr USA overall and the first ever Team Universe in 1994. He passed a urine drug test several times.
I know at least 3-4 others that did it like me, no biggy in my book.

What was your competition weight when you were juicing ?

[Howard]

I bet you were clean for a couple of month ,not natural .

I was off after useing small single drug cycles form 83-87 and competed again from 90- 95 then quit and only judged.
I am pretty candid and open about everything. Of course you may want to belive I lie which is your business.
The reality is I am nothing special, so what is the point.

[big L dawg]

How does a person prove they are only taking androgel?..I mean how do we know he's not sippin celltech on the down low...

[Howard]

What was your competition weight when you were juicing ?

I always sucked down to make Lt Hvy (just under 200), back in the mid 80's.
back then the hvy wt class was EVERYONE over 199 , they had no super hvy and the 90's
I think I could have been ripped at 210-12 back then but knew that would get blown away in the unrestricted hvy class then with guys over 220 and up. I only did a  small amount of juice as  I am too cheap to buy more hehe
Off season  1 shot of 200 mg decca ( test ethanate) each week 6 weeks on 4 weeks off
                 Pre contest  - Two,  2 ml shots of Winnie V, twice per week , last 6 weeks and nothing else

[che]

I always sucked down to make Lt Hvy (just under 200), back in the mid 80's.
back then the hvy wt class was EVERYONE over 199 , they had no super hvy and the 90's
I think I could have been ripped at 210-12 back then but knew that would get blown away in the unrestricted hvy class then with guys over 220 and up. I only did a  small amount of juice as  I am too cheap to buy more hehe
Off season  1 shot of 200 mg decca ( test ethanate) each week 6 weeks on 4 weeks off
                 Pre contest  - Two,  2 ml shots of Winnie V, twice per week , last 6 weeks and nothing else

So you were a HW (at 5% bf )natural and  a LHW juiced to the gills      ,I like you Howard but you are full of shit  .

[_bruce_]

Fantasy.

[pellius]

I am 5 ft, 9 and half inches ( a tad under 5'10").
My best natty wt was 202 and around 5% when I last competed in 1994-95.

It will tough , but what drives ms proof that an avg blowhard with hard work can do a lot better than most realize.

Do you have pics when you were 202 lbs 5% at 5'9"?

This is a pic of me taken about 4 months ago where I'm 185 lbs at 6'1.5". I had three separate measurements taken, two caliper and one on some fancy scale (not Tanita or whatever that one they sell in stores). All the readings were pretty close but they averaged around 8.5%. I'm 49 years old and also on HRT. Officially I'm prescribed 100mg/wk Watson or Upjohn cypionate. My doctor is pretty lenient and prescribes me 4 10ml vials at a time and doesn't really pay close attention that I use a whole cc, 200mg/wk but just refills my script when I come in every six months for a blood test. I just have to back off about 3 weeks before testing where I'm around 750-850.

I would be truly shocked if you can get at a true 5-6% at 195lbs at 5'9".

Where I am at 49 years old 6'1.5" 185 lbs 8.5% body fat.

[Coach is Back!]

Why not just train and diet for your health and quit getting caught up with this adolesent bullshit? But if you feel the need to compete then go ahead.

[WillGrant]

Exactly , I am in the NORMAL ideal range for a guy 20 yrs younger. That is why I can still meet similar wts and fat% at my age now.Notice the vels I maintain are in the ideal for a guy in his prime years via blood work data and my Doc.

No, this puts you in the higher end of normal compared to "average" so you are using chemical enhancement to exploit , so you cannot claim natural.The only thing against you will be your age and being fat for so long..

And bullshit you were 200 pds @ a genuine 5 % at your height and a natty..cut the crap guy you are talking out your ass.I have no doubts those figures you did acheive but not naturaly.

[CT_Muscle]

Do you have pics when you were 202 lbs 5% at 5'9"?

This is a pic of me taken about 4 months ago where I'm 185 lbs at 6'1.5". I had three separate measurements taken, two caliper and one on some fancy scale (not Tanita or whatever that one they sell in stores). All the readings were pretty close but they averaged around 8.5%. I'm 49 years old and also on HRT. Officially I'm prescribed 100mg/wk Watson or Upjohn cypionate. My doctor is pretty lenient and prescribes me 4 10ml vials at a time and doesn't really pay close attention that I use a whole cc, 200mg/wk but just refills my script when I come in every six months for a blood test. I just have to back off about 3 weeks before testing where I'm around 750-850.

I would be truly shocked if you can get at a true 5-6% at 195lbs at 5'9".

Where I am at 49 years old 6'1.5" 185 lbs 8.5% body fat.

u look a lot leaner than 8.5% great job!

[The Abdominal Snoman]

To all the getbiggers in the GH15, drugs w/genetics are everything camp.
How about this to finally PROVE my side of the argument.
I am going to finally DIET again and bust my ass training to compete again . I will post contest pics and be 100% honest about what I did to prep, my body wt, body fat% , etc.
I am looking to do a show by next May??? as my time frame. I gotta lose some serious fat and get my body used to a really serious BB diet again.
The only drug I will use is my 1 packet a day of prescribed Androgel which keeps my testosterone levels at 600-700 mg/dl.
Keep in mind I will be age 52 on contest day and last competed in 1995.
I have just slightly above average genetics and am  past my prime.
I predict I can compete at 5-6% body fat and around around 195 lbs.

So what do you say? If an AVERAGE , Mr Nobody,  middle aged douchebag like me can compete ripped at my age ( 5'10" and mid 190's ripped) without anything other than my 1 prescribed pack of androgel daily ,will it prove my case?
Think about it like this. I am an avg nobody gym lifter .
* If I can be ripped at 195, surely a genetic freak pro like Jay would be at least 215 ripped or more in his prime ,on very few drugs or natty.

So you say Leafy bug has average genetics in the other thread, but you have slightly above average genetics? Lets see some of these photos of you in the 90's so we here can tell who has the better bodybuilding genetics.

[4thAD]

I like this Howard. I will be keeping an eye on this thread. Good luck to you.