MY personal challenge to the get big - GH15 camp.

[Devon97]

Do you have pics when you were 202 lbs 5% at 5'9"?

This is a pic of me taken about 4 months ago where I'm 185 lbs at 6'1.5". I had three separate measurements taken, two caliper and one on some fancy scale (not Tanita or whatever that one they sell in stores). All the readings were pretty close but they averaged around 8.5%. I'm 49 years old and also on HRT. Officially I'm prescribed 100mg/wk Watson or Upjohn cypionate. My doctor is pretty lenient and prescribes me 4 10ml vials at a time and doesn't really pay close attention that I use a whole cc, 200mg/wk but just refills my script when I come in every six months for a blood test. I just have to back off about 3 weeks before testing where I'm around 750-850.

I would be truly shocked if you can get at a true 5-6% at 195lbs at 5'9".

Where I am at 49 years old 6'1.5" 185 lbs 8.5% body fat.

Boss you are easily under 6%.

[dodger]

go howard go,go howard go,go howard go,,,,,everybody,do the wave,lol

[SgtSpar]

Do you have pics when you were 202 lbs 5% at 5'9"?

This is a pic of me taken about 4 months ago where I'm 185 lbs at 6'1.5". I had three separate measurements taken, two caliper and one on some fancy scale (not Tanita or whatever that one they sell in stores). All the readings were pretty close but they averaged around 8.5%. I'm 49 years old and also on HRT. Officially I'm prescribed 100mg/wk Watson or Upjohn cypionate. My doctor is pretty lenient and prescribes me 4 10ml vials at a time and doesn't really pay close attention that I use a whole cc, 200mg/wk but just refills my script when I come in every six months for a blood test. I just have to back off about 3 weeks before testing where I'm around 750-850.

I would be truly shocked if you can get at a true 5-6% at 195lbs at 5'9".

Where I am at 49 years old 6'1.5" 185 lbs 8.5% body fat.

You look great man.  You're a couple years older than I am but I have never been that lean.  I would have guessed you at under 8%.

[Howard]

Why not just train and diet for your health and quit getting caught up with this adolesent bullshit? But if you feel the need to compete then go ahead.

That is exactly what I am going to do. I knew the naysayers would cry bullshit on me, but no biggy.
I hate a great workout tonight and my diet was the best it has been in years today. 1 day down a bunch more to go.
I'll compete next spring do my best and post the pics then. I plan on being hard and cut at the top end of the Lt hvy class in the 194 lb range.
If people think I look good and must "juiced to the gills," I will take that as a compliment.
Unlike some here, I put out my actual info:name , age , wt, the contest I will do , post the pics,results, etc.
I am a HS  teacher and over 50 guy , NOT some genetic freak or "mythical ghost" posting in the virtual ether.
Once again, if anyone thinks I am full of shit, fine, that is your business, nothing else I can do.
I am tired of all the "theory" from these experts and plan to be a living, real life, practical example of my side of the debate!
It can be done without a boatload of drugs and with your hormones levels within the normal/ideal range, NOT juiced to the gills.
Thanks for listening.

[SgtSpar]

That is exactly what I am going to do. I knew the naysayers would cry bullshit on me, but no biggy.
I hate a great workout tonight and my diet was the best it has been in years today. 1 day down a bunch more to go.
I'll compete next spring do my best and post the pics then. I plan on being hard and cut at the top end of the Lt hvy class in the 194 lb range.
If people think I look good and must "juiced to the gills," I will take that as a compliment.
Unlike some here, I put out my actual info:name , age , wt, the contest I will do , post the pics,results, etc.
I am a HS  teacher and over 50 guy , NOT some genetic freak or "mythical ghost" posting in the virtual ether.
Once again, if anyone thinks I am full of shit, fine, that is your business, nothing else I can do.
I am tired of all the "theory" from these experts and plan to be a living, real life, practical example of my side of the debate!
It can be done without a boatload of drugs and with your hormones levels within the normal/ideal range, NOT juiced to the gills.
Thanks for listening.

I have to say, I respect you for being willing to put it out there.  Good luck to you.

[Howard]

Boss you are easily under 6%.

He does look GREAT and ripped to the bone. On a caliper pinch test I put him at 3-4 % max.
Some of the body fat tests use methods that make BB's higher then they are.
The 9 body site pinch test with mm callipers is what I use ( from Parillo).

Right now I about 249 and an HONEST fat of 19-20% based on the parrillo method.
* How many people post their actual body fat and give actual blood readings for their hormone levels?
20 % of my wt is 50 lbs, so if I only lose 5 % of my current actual muscle mass, I can be ripped at around 5% fat around 200 lbs.
I may need to drop to closer to 190 then 200 depending on how things go???
Either way it is a lot of fat I gotta drop over the next 6-7 months.

[Howard]

I have to say, I respect you for being willing to put it out there.  Good luck to you.

Thanks! I was hopeful a few folks on here would find me sincere and maybe we can learn some actual BB info from my "experiment".
I am doing my best to be 100% candid and open, no pulling punches
Once again, I am a regular working guy,a HS physics teacher  NOT some genetic freak pro BB on a lot of drugs.
Yes, I use Androgel, but all that does is keep my levels in the ideal range for an adult male.
I wish I was 100% natty, but at my age I need the Androgel . I also need reading glasses and Just for Men for some gray hairs now

[gh15]

To all the getbiggers in the GH15, drugs w/genetics are everything camp.
How about this to finally PROVE my side of the argument.
I am going to finally DIET again and bust my ass training to compete again . I will post contest pics and be 100% honest about what I did to prep, my body wt, body fat% , etc.
I am looking to do a show by next May??? as my time frame. I gotta lose some serious fat and get my body used to a really serious BB diet again.
The only drug I will use is my 1 packet a day of prescribed Androgel which keeps my testosterone levels at 600-700 mg/dl.
Keep in mind I will be age 52 on contest day and last competed in 1995.
I have just slightly above average genetics and am  past my prime.
I predict I can compete at 5-6% body fat and around around 195 lbs.

So what do you say? If an AVERAGE , Mr Nobody,  middle aged douchebag like me can compete ripped at my age ( 5'10" and mid 190's ripped) without anything other than my 1 prescribed pack of androgel daily ,will it prove my case?
Think about it like this. I am an avg nobody gym lifter .
* If I can be ripped at 195, surely a genetic freak pro like Jay would be at least 215 ripped or more in his prime ,on very few drugs or natty.

listen to me and listen carefully friend,,i dont like to repeat myself ,,first there is no gh15 camp ,,im the reason you got size in bodybuilding,, no me = no size ,,so gh15 is not camp ,,im the absolit god of hormones ,,everyone follow what i say or get there after arguing if the result end is competetive bodybuilder,,

secondly,,for the million time YOU ARE ON DRUGS,,you are on hormones ,,you dont take 1 gram a week but you sit at a good level of AYNTETIC HORMONE USAGE,,yes patch is usasge same as stelth got knocked out in asia because he sold garbage but it was still drugs,,patchets ,,bags,,anythign americano eye want americano eye will get,,so what you use is drugs my friend,,

 TRUE NATURAL AND LISTEN CAREFULLY BECAUSE GH15 IS NOT LIKING REPEATING THIS,,IS FOOD AND TRAINING ,,YES YOU CAN USE CREATINE BECAUSE ITS GARBAGE SAME AS GLUTAMINE AND ALL THAT SUPP CRAP,,BUT TRUE NATURAL IS FOOD AND TRAINING ,,THAT IS IT ! I DO NOT CARE YOU GOT HORMONE LEVEL OF 10 YEAR OLD GIRL,,YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE YOU USED DRUGS IN THE PAST AND  YOUR SYSTEM RECOVERED SLOWLY INTO LESS THAN PERFECT CONDITION THUS WITH AGING  SINCE YOU WANTED MORE THAN HAVING KIDS...YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE 19 INCH ARMS AND BE ABLE TO HOLD 250 AT 28% BODYFAT..YOU HAD TO GO ON SYNTETICS,,YOU ARE A TESTOSTERONE USER,,SO SAYING ALL THAT YOU AT YOUR CUREENT STATE OF AFFAIRS WILL STEP ON STAGE AT THE WEIGHT OF 187-193LB,,YOUR BODY FAT WILL BE AT 5-6% MOST LIKLEY 6% ,,IT WILL BE A DEPENDENT OF WHAT PRODUCTS YOU USE AND IF YOU WILL BUY OVER THE COUNNTER DRUGS SUCH AS SUPERDROL AND HDROL,,MOST COMPETETIVE FELLAS NOW DAYS LOVE HDROL AND ,,THEY TAKE IT WITH GH AND LITLE TEST AND YES THEY CAN BE 5'10 195-200LB ON STAGE THEN,,,SO AS I SAID BEFORE ON WHAT YOU ARE NOW YOU WILL BE BETWEEN 187-193 ON STAGE AT 6%


NOW LETS GO TO COMPETE AND UTTER TRUE NATURAL,, THIS IS A DIFF ANIMAL YOU WILL NEVER BE SINCE EVEN IF YOU GO OFF WHAT YOU ARE ON YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED CLEAN AND ALREADY HORMONIZED WITH NEW MINIMUMS,,BUT LETS SAY YOU WERE OFF A YEAR +,,THENNNN YOU WOULD BE NATURAL IN A SPECIAL CATAGORY AND THEN! YOU WILL BE ON STAGE 155-165LB AT 6% NTO LESS THAN 6% AND OFCOURSE YOU ARE 5'9 SO NOT EVEN POUND OVER 170 POST CARB UP

NOW THAT MY FRIEN IS THE TRUTH,,NO BFG CAN GIVE YOU THAT AND NO AMATUER BALONIE CAN GIVE YOU THIS,,THERE IS NO CAMP AND THERE IS NO NOTHING,,THERE IS ! GOD OF HORMONES AND I AM IT ,,REASON IS I AM HANDS ON TRUE PROFESIONAL INFORMATION GIVEN STRAIGHT OUT OF THE MOUTH OF PROFESSIONAL,,BY THE WAY WE ALL GO SAME ROUTE,,SOE HAVE TWIST ON THIS ROUTE ,,SOME USE NARCOTICS IN ADDITION AND THOSE ARE THE ONES I BRING DOWN,,

gh15 approved

[Howard]

listen to me and listen carefully friend,,i dont like to repeat myself ,,first there is no gh15 camp ,,im the reason you got size in bodybuilding,, no me = no size ,,so gh15 is not camp ,,im the absolit god of hormones ,,everyone follow what i say or get there after arguing if the result end is competetive bodybuilder,,

secondly,,for the million time YOU ARE ON DRUGS,,you are on hormones ,,you dont take 1 gram a week but you sit at a good level of AYNTETIC HORMONE USAGE,,yes patch is usasge same as stelth got knocked out in asia because he sold garbage but it was still drugs,,patchets ,,bags,,anythign americano eye want americano eye will get,,so what you use is drugs my friend,,

 TRUE NATURAL AND LISTEN CAREFULLY BECAUSE GH15 IS NOT LIKING REPEATING THIS,,IS FOOD AND TRAINING ,,YES YOU CAN USE CREATINE BECAUSE ITS GARBAGE SAME AS GLUTAMINE AND ALL THAT SUPP CRAP,,BUT TRUE NATURAL IS FOOD AND TRAINING ,,THAT IS IT ! I DO NOT CARE YOU GOT HORMONE LEVEL OF 10 YEAR OLD GIRL,,YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE YOU USED DRUGS IN THE PAST AND  YOUR SYSTEM RECOVERED SLOWLY INTO LESS THAN PERFECT CONDITION THUS WITH AGING  SINCE YOU WANTED MORE THAN HAVING KIDS...YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE 19 INCH ARMS AND BE ABLE TO HOLD 250 AT 28% BODYFAT..YOU HAD TO GO ON SYNTETICS,,YOU ARE A TESTOSTERONE USER,,SO SAYING ALL THAT YOU AT YOUR CUREENT STATE OF AFFAIRS WILL STEP ON STAGE AT THE WEIGHT OF 187-193LB,,YOUR BODY FAT WILL BE AT 5-6% MOST LIKLEY 6% ,,IT WILL BE A DEPENDENT OF WHAT PRODUCTS YOU USE AND IF YOU WILL BUY OVER THE COUNNTER DRUGS SUCH AS SUPERDROL AND HDROL,,MOST COMPETETIVE FELLAS NOW DAYS LOVE HDROL AND ,,THEY TAKE IT WITH GH AND LITLE TEST AND YES THEY CAN BE 5'10 195-200LB ON STAGE THEN,,,SO AS I SAID BEFORE ON WHAT YOU ARE NOW YOU WILL BE BETWEEN 187-193 ON STAGE AT 6%


NOW LETS GO TO COMPETE AND UTTER TRUE NATURAL,, THIS IS A DIFF ANIMAL YOU WILL NEVER BE SINCE EVEN IF YOU GO OFF WHAT YOU ARE ON YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED CLEAN AND ALREADY HORMONIZED WITH NEW MINIMUMS,,BUT LETS SAY YOU WERE OFF A YEAR +,,THENNNN YOU WOULD BE NATURAL IN A SPECIAL CATAGORY AND THEN! YOU WILL BE ON STAGE 155-165LB AT 6% NTO LESS THAN 6% AND OFCOURSE YOU ARE 5'9 SO NOT EVEN POUND OVER 170 POST CARB UP

NOW THAT MY FRIEN IS THE TRUTH,,NO BFG CAN GIVE YOU THAT AND NO AMATUER BALONIE CAN GIVE YOU THIS,,THERE IS NO CAMP AND THERE IS NO NOTHING,,THERE IS ! GOD OF HORMONES AND I AM IT ,,REASON IS I AM HANDS ON TRUE PROFESIONAL INFORMATION GIVEN STRAIGHT OUT OF THE MOUTH OF PROFESSIONAL,,BY THE WAY WE ALL GO SAME ROUTE,,SOE HAVE TWIST ON THIS ROUTE ,,SOME USE NARCOTICS IN ADDITION AND THOSE ARE THE ONES I BRING DOWN,,

gh15 approved

Well you go ahead and publish your "facts" there Chief. Maybe if I lift rocks and eat bison meat I hunted with a boiwe knife and wild berries ??
I am going to be honest and simply do my best to get into the best shape I have been in years. No hard feelings but at least give me credit for being 100% honest about what I do. Thanks.

[Van_Bilderass]

Well you go ahead and publish your "facts" there Chief. Maybe if I lift rocks and eat bison meat I hunted with a boiwe knife and wild berries ??
I am going to be honest and simply do my best to get into the best shape I have been in years. No hard feelings but at least give me credit for being 100% honest about what I do. Thanks.

Do you have any pics of you competing in the past? I haven't seen any pics but for some reason I doubt you were ever really ripped, 5-6% BF, you just don't seem the type to get in that kind of condition. Your personality is a lot like Goodrum and Basile, not really in touch with reality. Could be wrong though.

You're not getting to any 5-6% at your age. Even if you loaded up on all the tren and clen possible I don't see it happening for you, much less on just Androgel. Again, might be wrong so I guess we'll see.

[Stavios]

Do you have any pics of you competing in the past? I haven't seen any pics but for some reason I doubt you were ever really ripped, 5-6% BF, you just don't seem the type to get in that kind of condition. Your personality is a lot like Goodrum and Basile, not really in touch with reality. Could be wrong though.

You're not getting to any 5-6% at your age. Even if you loaded up on all the tren and clen possible I don't see it happening for you, much less on just Androgel. Again, might be wrong so I guess we'll see.

 

[Howard]

Do you have any pics of you competing in the past? I haven't seen any pics but for some reason I doubt you were ever really ripped, 5-6% BF, you just don't seem the type to get in that kind of condition. Your personality is a lot like Goodrum and Basile, not really in touch with reality. Could be wrong though.

You're not getting to any 5-6% at your age. Even if you loaded up on all the tren and clen possible I don't see it happening for you, much less on just Androgel. Again, might be wrong so I guess we'll see.

I like living in my own world buddy , reality is over-rated.

[WillGrant]

I like living in my own world buddy , reality is over-rated.

I wish you luck as the bb lifestyle of prepping for a show is very hard and anyone who keeps on track 100 % and gives there all deserves to thumbs up.

Now back to your claim of 200 pd @ 5 % natural , this is utter bullshit..

Now you may have well been natural when you stepped onstage at this weight/bf meaning you stopped "consuming" and "help" 1 -2 days out..so is this how you are twisting it to suit your claim of being natural ? because to get anywhere near that claim of yours then you did use "help" to get there /

[Howard]

I wish you luck as the bb lifestyle of prepping for a show is very hard and anyone who keeps on track 100 % and gives there all deserves to thumbs up.

Now back to your claim of 200 pd @ 5 % natural , this is utter bullshit..

Now you may have well been natural when you stepped onstage at this weight/bf meaning you stopped "consuming" and "help" 1 -2 days out..so is this how you are twisting it to suit your claim of being natural ? because to get anywhere near that claim of yours then you did use "help" to get there /

In Aug of 1994, I  competed  in the Ironman and  not done any steroids for 7 yrs ( last used in 1987).

Ok let me cut to the chase here. I am a career chemistry and physics teacher. My profession is a world of data obtained from direct measurment and critical observation. I am reporting what MY actual measurments were and how I obtained them.
In that show I measured my body fat via the 9 site  method of calliper skin folds that is in the Parrillo journal of contest prep.
I had the same person do each pinch test on the 9 sites each week and weighed myself. Based on THAT method I was between 5 and 6% at contest time and weighed in at 202 lbs (Hvy wt, 1st place ).

Once agin, I am not great bodybuilder or genetic freak, etc.I always felt my quads lacked sweep and separation.My strong pt is my wide shoulders.,and width. I will simply get in the best shape I can by next summer. I will post my contest pics , body wt, fat % and place in the show.
You can all then make your own conclusions, should you be interested. Thanks .

[dr.chimps]

Deja Vu !!

All over again.

[Lord of the Roidz]

In Aug of 1994, I  competed  in the Ironman and  not done any steroids for 7 yrs ( last used in 1987).

Ok let me cut to the chase here. I am a career chemistry and physics teacher. My profession is a world of data obtained from direct measurment and critical observation. I am reporting what MY actual measurments were and how I obtained them.
In that show I measured my body fat via the 9 site  method of calliper skin folds that is in the Parrillo journal of contest prep.
I had the same person do each pinch test on the 9 sites each week and weighed myself. Based on THAT method I was between 5 and 6% at contest time and weighed in at 202 lbs (Hvy wt, 1st place ).

Once agin, I am not great bodybuilder or genetic freak, etc.I always felt my quads lacked sweep and separation.My strong pt is my wide shoulders.,and width. I will simply get in the best shape I can by next summer. I will post my contest pics , body wt, fat % and place in the show.
You can all then make your own conclusions, should you be interested. Thanks .

You're wasting your breath. No one on here believes that a true natural can weigh more than 165 pounds ripped.....because their "Guru" told them so. Why even bother trying to convince people who think in such limited pathetic terms. It's the reason everyone hops on juice now after a few months of training. Most haven't trained for years on end without missing workouts or meals and have no concept what's possible. I'm glad there was no internet when I started training to tell me I could only be cut at 160...of course I doubt I would have been that stupid to listen to that anyway. Howard, just get ripped for yourself. Forget about convincing people on an internet site. This site is strictly for entertainment only.

[spinnis]

will there ever be an actual photo from howards comp a long time ago where he was 5%?

...dont think so

[Howard]

You're wasting your breath. No one on here believes that a true natural can weigh more than 165 pounds ripped.....because their "Guru" told them so. Why even bother trying to convince people who think in such limited pathetic terms. It's the reason everyone hops on juice now after a few months of training. Most haven't trained for years on end without missing workouts or meals and have no concept what's possible. I'm glad there was no internet when I started training to tell me I could only be cut at 160...of course I doubt I would have been that stupid to listen to that anyway. Howard, just get ripped for yourself. Forget about convincing people on an internet site. This site is strictly for entertainment only.

Thanks and I know all too well EXACTLY what you mean. In all modesty  I have a decent wide frame and muscle genetics, compared to the avg guy. I competed and trained with all kinds of 5'7"-5"11" guys that felt they needed to "Juice hard", just to compete as a Middle of Lt Hvy.
Even when I did a little juice (84-87) I had to suck down wt to stay in the Lt hvy ( under 200). Back then anyone over 199 was a hvy wt ( NO separate Hvy and super Hvy) I did an open NON qualifier called the NPC Mr River City in 1986 held in Huntsville, AL. I was my all time individual best at 210 and really hard. I won my first overall. I was on 2 shots of winnie V per week however.

Most of these forum legends won't get in an actual contest, which is fine, and I understand how that is a personal choice.
However, by not getting in an actual contest, you never get an actual real BB experience. It is like being a runner but never entering a race.