Flex Wheeler at 23

[Flexb]

He actually beat Flex in 1993 ! he was an amazing bodybuilder

Charles clairmonte didn't beat flex in '93  

Shit he did, in England. That was post Olympia I'm assuming

[Parker]

 think it was prior, at one of the small shows. I forgot who placed ahead of him....

[Flexb]

think it was prior, at one of the small shows. I forgot who placed ahead of him....

I thought Flex won 4 straight shows going into the O though, although I may be wrong since I didn't even remember Charles beating him, ever.

[NarcissisticDeity]

think it was prior, at one of the small shows. I forgot who placed ahead of him....

That was post Olympia Flex was second.

[Hulkster]

twice you mentioned my name

of course I did. someone who has as fucked up views as you do is going to get mentioned a lot on this board.

for pure comedic purposes of course..

we all laugh at you.

[NarcissisticDeity]

of course I did. someone who has as fucked up views as you do is going to get mentioned a lot on this board.

for pure comedic purposes of course..

we all laugh at you.

or course you did because I fucking own you and you're in here trolling and begging for anyone to agree with you and no one cares your pleas are as usual falling on deaf ears

I could post a slew of your ' fucked up ' views but we all know how your pea brain works 

I'm still laughing at Flex 1993 and Shawn 94 are very close hehehehehehehe 

[JP_RC]

I can think of at least 13 better bodybuilders than Shawn

Who?

Shawn is better than many Mr Olympias in my opinion: Zane, Samir, Larry Scott, Columbo and I'll even dare to say Sergio.
Shawn was better than Levrone too in my opinion, really close with Dexter and much better than Labrada, Nasser, Branch, etc.

Shawn in my opinion had to be one of the most complete bodybuilders ever: physique, posing and personality. Other than his height/structure the guy was nearly flawless.

I honestly see Shawn in a top 20 best ever list, I don't know why you can't. Do you have something against Shawn? Was it his comments against Dorian? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Who?

Shawn is better than many Mr Olympias in my opinion: Zane, Samir, Larry Scott, Columbo and I'll even dare to say Sergio.
Shawn was better than Levrone too in my opinion, really close with Dexter and much better than Labrada, Nasser, Branch, etc.

Shawn in my opinion had to be one of the most complete bodybuilders ever: physique, posing and personality. Other than his height/structure the guy was nearly flawless.

I honestly see Shawn in a top 20 best ever list, I don't know why you can't. Do you have something against Shawn? Was it his comments against Dorian? 

His physique may be better than some Mr Olympias doesn't mean he's in the top 20 of all-time more than just a physique

Shawn was NOT complete he has high short calves , he had squared off quads , he had a mediocre structure , narrow clavicles , long torso , short legs , no width he had many issues

and Shawn is not nearly as good as people make him out to be , his record shows this history shows this , he was consistent and a pretty damn good bodybuilder but top 20 sorry , has nothing to do with Yates , Shawn talked smack about everyone not just Yates , he's said shit about Haney , Flex , Ronnie he talks a good game

I would put Levrone , Labrada and even Vince Taylor above Shawn and many others , all the Mr Olympia winners are above him by virtue of winning the most coveted title in the game

Shawn Ray consistent 2 pro wins in 14 years  top 20 

[JP_RC]

Shawn's weaknesses include being short , long torso , short legs , high calves that aren't in proportion with his squared off quads , narrow clavicles , I mean I can continue.

His height was his only flaw in my eyes. Shawn did not have long torso/short legs flaw for his height. take a look at Priest, Gaspari, Nasser, etc. those are examples of bb's with long torsos/short legs.
High calves were a flaw he had, but they were fully developed and separated, unlike Flex or Ronnie. His quads were great and in great proportion with his hams and upper body.
Narrow clavicles? maybe a little, but not for his height.

[NarcissisticDeity]

His height was his only flaw in my eyes. Shawn did not have long torso/short legs flaw for his height. take a look at Priest, Gaspari, Nasser, etc. those are examples of bb's with long torsos/short legs.
High calves were a flaw he had, but they were fully developed and separated, unlike Flex or Ronnie. His quads were great and in great proportion with his hams and upper body.
Narrow clavicles? maybe a little, but not for his height.

well contests aren't judged by your eyes , he has many flaws but he looked great in a lot of poses he did very well for himself despite his flaws but to compare him in the same breathe as Flex Wheeler is just stupid

[JP_RC]

well contests aren't judged by your eyes , he has many flaws but he looked great in a lot of poses he did very well for himself despite his flaws but to compare him in the same breathe as Flex Wheeler is just stupid

Its true, contests aren't judged by my eyes, I've learned this now. Contest results sometimes were completely opposite of what I thought they should've been, but that is another topic.

Again, I'm not trying to say he was better than Flex, I just liked him better. But to say that he doesn't deserve a top 20 list is not accurate.
I'm pretty sure if someone were to do a poll asking bb fans and "experts" who the 20 best bodybuilders are, Shawn would make the list.

[SF1900]

Personally, I think Levrone at his best looked better than ray and wheeler at their best. Levrone really had no flaws. Uncrowned Mr. O for sure.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Its true, contests aren't judged by my eyes, I've learned this now. Contest results sometimes were completely opposite of what I thought they should've been, but that is another topic.

Again, I'm not trying to say he was better than Flex, I just liked him better. But to say that he doesn't deserve a top 20 list is not accurate.
I'm pretty sure if someone were to do a poll asking bb fans and "experts" who the 20 best bodybuilders are, Shawn would make the list.

Oh you mean he's in the top 20 in terms of popularity? hmmmmmmmm he wasn't real popular when he was competing and was know to be a dick to fans and fellow competitors so maybe he wouldn't place even in that type of poll

Shawn top 20 for being consistent but that's not saying much , Lee Labrada has more pro wins was every bit as ' consistent ' never placed below 5th in a pro contest was runner-up at the Olympia twice , I mean he's got Shawn beat everywhere physiques is subjective but I think Lee has em beat and so did the judges every time they faced each other Shawn only beat him once , Labrada would be on that list way before Shawn would

[mesmorph78]

Huge traps make a narrow man even narrower, like an arrow. Odd how his traps were better in 92/93. Yeah he was soft in the glutes---at a higher weight. Same deal with Brian Buchanan, Melvin Anthony, Jojo Ntiforo. Similar genetics.

not is u have wide shoulders
saying that I prefer sloping looking traps like Coleman guys like culter kamali Nasser wide delts look like a square yuck fle didn't even have the sloping look his taps were just weak relaxed
let's be real if this guy didn't have big arms would u be fighting his corner
bbing has an arm fetish it needs to get over ... Big arms great but you should have the rest of body to match cue Coleman ....  

[NarcissisticDeity]

Personally, I think Levrone at his best looked better than ray and wheeler at their best. Levrone really had no flaws. Uncrowned Mr. O for sure.

Shawn's not in Kevin's league

[che]

Mr Olympia 1994  14th place   

[SF1900]

Shawn's not in Kevin's league

In terms of a complete package, not many pros are in levrones league 

[JP_RC]

Shawn's not in Kevin's league

Why do you think this? As far as complete muscular development, Shawn was better than Levrone in my opinion. Do you think his height hurt him that much?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why do you think this? As far as complete muscular development, Shawn was better than Levrone in my opinion. Do you think his height hurt him that much?

His height , his width ( or lack thereof ) his size , in terms of overall physique , in terms of career wins , in terms of a lot of shit

a lot of people have this desire to make Shawn into something he wasn't which was great , two fucking pro wins in 14 years?      this isn't great at all , and please save yourself the politics excuse.

[Parker]

not is u have wide shoulders
saying that I prefer sloping looking traps like Coleman guys like culter kamali Nasser wide delts look like a square yuck fle didn't even have the sloping look his taps were just weak relaxed
let's be real if this guy didn't have big arms would u be fighting his corner
bbing has an arm fetish it needs to get over ... Big arms great but you should have the rest of body to match cue Coleman ....  

To me it was Flex's overall flow, the sum of the parts equalled something that just, flowed for lack of better term. Sure I like arms, but I tell you. Had Flex won in 1998, it would have changed the game to where guys would come in lighter and there would be less chasing for freaky size and there would be less of the guts we see today. Once Ronnie won, he was such a freak, that not even Flex could unseat him.

[NarcissisticDeity]

To me it was Flex's overall flow, the sum of the parts equalled something that just, flowed for lack of better term. Sure I like arms, but I tell you. Had Flex won in 1998, it would have changed the game to where guys would come in lighter and there would be less chasing for freaky size and there would be less of the guts we see today. Once Ronnie won, he was such a freak, that not even Flex could unseat him.

Overall flow is right a total harmony you can't find in Shawn's physique or many others , the shape of his muscles the roundness to the tiny joints that exaggerate the whole effect to deep separation and the sweep of his quads and the truly wasp waist he didn't need to be 240 to look it , he really did look like a work of art

[Flexb]

Shawn was a great bodybuilder and one of the all-time greatest. At their peaks, Flex beats him every time though. Flex also beats Kevin prime for prime.

[JP_RC]

His height , his width ( or lack thereof ) his size , in terms of overall physique , in terms of career wins , in terms of a lot of shit

a lot of people have this desire to make Shawn into something he wasn't which was great , two fucking pro wins in 14 years?      this isn't great at all , and please save yourself the politics excuse.

His height , his width ( or lack thereof ) his size , in terms of overall physique , in terms of career wins , in terms of a lot of shit

Levrone wasn't wider than Shawn, size wise both at their best was pretty equal and overall physique I think Shawn beats Levrone.

a lot of people have this desire to make Shawn into something he wasn't which was great , two fucking pro wins in 14 years?       this isn't great at all , and please save yourself the politics excuse.

Its probably because Shawn is my favorite that I say he was one of the best, but I think he deserves it.
He only won 2 pro contests (Ironman and AC) because he just concentrated in the Olympia after that, not because he lacked potential or couldn't do it.
I used to think he deserved the 94 Olympia over Dorian, but now I understand why Yates won it fair and square. I won't use any politics excuse because there are none now that I understand what the judges looked for, I don't agree with it, but I know.
In the end, 94 Olympia: Shawn had the best physique.

[Papper]

Mr Olympia 1994  14th place   

why isn't thierry more talked about? what were his flaws, i'm left wondering after looking at this vid

[NarcissisticDeity]

Levrone wasn't wider than Shawn, size wise both at their best was pretty equal and overall physique I think Shawn beats Levrone.

Its probably because Shawn is my favorite that I say he was one of the best, but I think he deserves it.
He only won 2 pro contests (Ironman and AC) because he just concentrated in the Olympia after that, not because he lacked potential or couldn't do it.
I used to think he deserved the 94 Olympia over Dorian, but now I understand why Yates won it fair and square. I won't use any politics excuse because there are none now that I understand what the judges looked for, I don't agree with it, but I know.
In the end, 94 Olympia: Shawn had the best physique.

Levrone wasn't wider than Shawn, size wise both at their best was pretty equal and overall physique I think Shawn beats Levrone.

Leverone wasn't wider than Shawn? are you serious? his back and clavicles are noticeably wider just check the lat spreads NO contest

Size wise? pretty equal? not even in a pound-for-pound point of view 205 vs as high as 255 for Kevin? equal?  overall Kevin has everything Shawn does , Shawn doesn't have everything Kevin does if just width alone

Its probably because Shawn is my favorite that I say he was one of the best, but I think he deserves it.
He only won 2 pro contests (Ironman and AC) because he just concentrated in the Olympia after that, not because he lacked potential or couldn't do it.
I used to think he deserved the 94 Olympia over Dorian, but now I understand why Yates won it fair and square. I won't use any politics excuse because there are none now that I understand what the judges looked for, I don't agree with it, but I know.
In the end, 94 Olympia: Shawn had the best physique.

he didn't just concentrate on the Olympia he competed in other contests and didn't fare so well either , two pro shows in 14 years ? and he could win more yet didn't want to?