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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #100 on: August 16, 2010, 09:38:09 AM »
Op-Ed Columnist  Obama: Man of the World
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By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: March 6, 2007
WASHINGTON

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 The conventional wisdom about Barack Obama is that he’s smart and charismatic but so inexperienced that we should feel jittery about him in the Oval Office.

But that view is myopic. In some respects, Mr. Obama is far more experienced than other presidential candidates.

His experience as an antipoverty organizer in Chicago, for example, gives him a deep grasp of a crucial 21st-century challenge — poverty in America — that almost all politicians lack. He says that grass-roots experience helps explain why he favors not only government spending programs, like early childhood education, but also cultural initiatives, like efforts to promote responsible fatherhood.

In foreign policy as well, Mr. Obama would bring to the White House an important experience that most other candidates lack: he has actually lived abroad. He spent four years as a child in Indonesia and attended schools in the Indonesian language, which he still speaks.

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. (O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama.)

Our biggest mistake since World War II has been a lack of sensitivity to other people’s nationalism, from Vietnam to Iraq. Perhaps as a result of his background, Mr. Obama has been unusually sensitive to such issues and to the need to project respect rather than arrogance. He has consistently shown great instincts.

Mr. Obama’s visit to Africa last year hit just the right diplomatic notes. In Kenya, he warmly greeted the president — but denounced corruption and went out of his way to visit a bold newspaper that government agents had ransacked. In South Africa, he respectfully but firmly criticized the government’s unscientific bungling of the AIDS epidemic. In Chad, he visited Darfur refugees.

“My experience growing up in Indonesia or having family in small villages in Africa — I think it makes me much more mindful of the importance of issues like personal security or freedom from corruption,” he said, adding: “I’ve witnessed it in much more direct ways than I think the average American has witnessed it.”

As a senator, Mr. Obama has not only seized the issue of nuclear proliferation, but also the question of small arms. For a majority of the world’s inhabitants, those AK-47s and R.P.G.’s are the weapons of mass destruction.

So how would an Obama administration differ from the Bill Clinton presidency in foreign policy? One way, he said, would be a much greater emphasis on promoting education, health care and development in Africa and other poor regions — not just for humanitarian reasons, but also with an eye to national security.

“If we can’t take what, relative to our military hardware and defense budgets, are a pittance, and put some resources into these areas, we will not be secure,” he noted, adding: “The Marshall Plan was part of a security strategy; it wasn’t simply charity.”

Mr. Obama thumps the White House on trade and foreign investments, like the Dubai ports deal — but he isn’t demagogic in the way that too many Democrats have been. And three years ago, Mr. Obama was quoted in The Chicago Tribune as making hawkish comments about a military strike on Iran, but in the interview he pirouetted and noted that one of the lessons of Iraq is that “being trigger-happy ... is a recipe for disaster.” That’s a welcome sign of growth.

So, granted, Mr. Obama lacks the extensive experience at top levels of diplomacy of, say, Dick Cheney or ... oh, never mind.

What sets Mr. Obama apart is the way his training has been at the grass-roots rather than in the treetops. And that may be the richest kind of background of all, yielding not just experience, but also wisdom.

You are invited to comment on this column at Mr. Kristof’s blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #101 on: August 16, 2010, 09:38:54 AM »
Alls i said is this...If they pass all the zoning codes and its perfectly legal...what is the legal opposition..


Dont get me wrong..they do have some balls...who ever they is...i dont like it..but in accordance with what our country was founded on, and what makes us different...i have to side with the durkas...

check it. If there was a kkk member who was in the middle of LA  giving his hate speech, and someone tried to block him, i would defend the KKK member even though i dont agree with his message or the spirit of what he is doing...i have to say that as an American it is his right. No matter how uncomfortable it makes anyone feel
What if the KKK wanted to put their headquarters at Martin Luther king's former house.....or they wanted to build it where that black guy James Byrd was dragged to death by some rednecks in a pickup truck till there was nothing left of him? Do you support that too? How much must something be in bad taste before you say, "That shit just ain't right !"

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #102 on: August 16, 2010, 09:46:59 AM »
What if the KKK wanted to put their headquarters at Martin Luther king's former house.....or they wanted to build it where that black guy James Byrd was dragged to death by some rednecks in a pickup truck till there was nothing left of him? Do you support that too? How much must something be in bad taste before you say, "That shit just ain't right !"

How about a floating Shinto Shrine in Pearl Harbor dedicated to the Emporer of Japan?   

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #103 on: August 16, 2010, 09:47:49 AM »
Thats what im saying...no matter how uncomfortable it is...if they follow the law....what grounds do we legally have to say...you cant do that...its opens it up to interpretation..and then someone says "well back in 2010 they didnt let this happen on these loose ass interpretations of the law..


like i wanted to slap sharpton when he called for imus job for nappy headed hoes...simply because its not American...and i think and said that sharpton had no right to ask for a mans job because he insulted some women.

So again. I dont agree with it..but if we start making decisions contrary to the constitution because of feelings...it opens the door for chaos and we would be no better than feudal societies that make up laws on the fly

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #104 on: August 16, 2010, 09:51:16 AM »
Thats what im saying...no matter how uncomfortable it is...if they follow the law....what grounds do we legally have to say...you cant do that...its opens it up to interpretation..and then someone says "well back in 2010 they didnt let this happen on these loose ass interpretations of the law..


like i wanted to slap sharpton when he called for imus job for nappy headed hoes...simply because its not American...and i think and said that sharpton had no right to ask for a mans job because he insulted some women.

So again. I dont agree with it..but if we start making decisions contrary to the constitution because of feelings...it opens the door for chaos and we would be no better than feudal societies that make up laws on the fly

No one is calling for a legal remedy to this situation since everyone, myself included, acknowledges that they have a legal right to do it. 

However, I do believe the funding of this thing is highly relevent as well as the fact that supposedly "holy people" like this Imam is claiming to be are acting in a manner anything but. 

While he may have a right to exercise a legal right to build it, I have a legal right to protest it, condemn it, and complain about it as well.   

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #105 on: August 16, 2010, 09:53:44 AM »
No one is calling for a legal remedy to this situation since everyone, myself included, acknowledges that they have a legal right to do it. 

However, I do believe the funding of this thing is highly relevent as well as the fact that supposedly "holy people" like this Imam is claiming to be are acting in a manner anything but. 

While he may have a right to exercise a legal right to build it, I have a legal right to protest it, condemn it, and complain about it as well.   

and you do have the legal right to protest ..


if it were totally privatley funded...what grounds would you have to protest it


also...the "it all about the kids" "liberal response" Tell explain how your post was relivant to me coaching kids and it being liberal response and healthcare

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #106 on: August 16, 2010, 10:10:39 AM »
Jewish World Review August 16, 2010/ 6 Elul, 5770
You've Lost America, Mr. President
By Arnold Ahlert
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com

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 | I was "one incident too early." On November 5, 2009, I wrote this for JWR's "sister site", Political Mavens:


"Barack Obama's presidency is effectively over. Strong words? Ask yourself this: what other president of the United States would have spent almost three minutes speaking at the Dept. of Interior before getting around to mentioning the fact that twelve soldiers had been killed, and thirty one wounded in a massacre at Fort Hood in Texas?"

Alas, most Americans let this travesty slide down the memory hole. Thankfully, like he has with so many other unpopular positions, Barack Hussein Obama has "doubled down:" his support of the Ground Zero mosque is game, set, match.

As I wrote in my previous column, the true intentions of the mosque builders were revealed when they turned down NY Governor David Patterson's offer of state land in return for re-locating the mosque away from Ground Zero. They refused. That this "factoid" was seemingly irrelevant to the president speaks volumes.

It is worth remembering this is the same president who belittled ordinary Americans for "clinging" to religion. I guess Muslims "clinging" to a location that infuriates the overwhelming majority of Americans is perfectly fine, even after it's been revealed for the rankly provocative plan it truly is.

Ordinary Americans? They recognize a self-aggrandizing, holier-than-thou phony when they see one. They aren't fooled by a president who says that, "Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground"--only seconds before he reveals the total hollowness of that statement by saying he's fine with a mosque on top of it.

Some one must have told Mr. Obama it wasn't flying. On Saturday, he issued a "clarifying" statement: he wasn't commenting on the "wisdom" of putting a mosque in a particular location, but on the "right people have that dates back to our founding."

Baloney. Reasonable Americans aren't demanding anything remotely resembling a ban on Islam or the ability of its adherents to worship as they please. They're saying show some respect for American sensibilities, and don't build a mosque adjacent to the place where a national tragedy took place--one perpetrated in the name of Islam.

I have tremendous respect for the office of the presidency. That respect has gotten me and doubtless a lot of other Americans through some pretty tough times. And as much as I've disliked some of the people who've occupied that office, I've always taken comfort in the fact that, when push comes to shove, every one of those men, irrespective of political ideology, had America's best interests at heart.

No longer. For the first time in my lifetime, we have an alien in the White House.

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 And that doesn't mean what some of you might think. For the purposes of this column, the "birther debate" is irrelevant. What I'm talking about is a man completely divorced from the American ethos. A man who is utterly clueless about what most Americans want, think or feel. The first president of the United States on the public record with the idea that American exceptionalism is nothing more than one item on a laundry list of national exceptionalisms--none better or worse than any other.

A man who will take America's side--only after he's concluded that it doesn't conflict with his larger worldview.

Sadly, we've reached a point where most Americans don't expect anything different. And why should they? This is a man up to his neck in meaningful associations with card-carrying members of the Hate America crowd--from boyhood mentor, communist Frank Marshall, and racist preacher, Jeremiah Wright, to Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn, and other rabid leftists. This is a man who has stacked his administration with a roster of radicals dedicated to the idea that America is a nation of unrepentant bigots, racists and other low-lifes who must be whipped into "progressive" shape. This is a man who learned--and taught--the "Alinsky Method," a blueprint for the radical re-organization of America by stealth.

Why has the president doggedly kept entire parts of his life, from his early college years straight through law school, away from public view? Bet the farm it's because any paper trail from those years would reveal this president to be the Marxist/socialist radical that occasionally breaches the "teleprompted" facade he has so carefully erected.

Last Friday, the mask slipped once again. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to point a comment directly towards the Cordoba House builders explaining that, while freedom of religion is a sacred American value, their refusal to accept an alternative site on state land offered by the governor is very troubling. He could have called their bluff and said he stands with the overwhelming majority of Americans who find such a refusal appalling. He could have said that "cultural sensitivity" is a two-way street, and that it is about time self-professed "moderate Muslims" demonstrated their moderation.

But he didn't. And he didn't because, for this "citizen of the world," the idea of "putting America first" requires considerable effort. Quite frankly, this is astounding. There is no other position in government where the idea of being "reflexively American" is more important. There is no other man in the country with the unfettered power to put American men and women in harm's way. That fact alone requires unstinting loyalty to our nation, and an unbridled sense of patriotism.

Is that what Americans see when they look at Barack Obama? Or do they see a narcissistic, serial apologizer, a split-the-difference-with-our-enemies appeaser who golfs and parties--while America burns?

This president, along with his lap-dog media supporters, will continue to tell Americans that their anger and disgust has little or nothing to do with the shortcomings of Barack Obama. Everything wrong with the country is "someone else's fault," be it "racist" tea partiers, "fat cat" bankers, "greedy" doctors, "irresponsible" corporations, Republicans, or their favorite whipping boy, George W. Bush.

Sorry, Mr. Obama, no sale. You've done a grand job of alienating the majority of Americans all by yourself. And you know it too, or you wouldn't have "clarified" your position on the Ground Zero mosque twenty four hours after the "real you" revealed itself.

Perhaps someday we'll have someone in the Oval Office with a more jaundiced view of America than yours. I hope I never live to see it. And I fervently hope Americans remember exactly who you are when 2012 rolls around. We can probably muddle through two more years with a charlatan in the White House.

Heaven help America if it's six.

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It is worth remembering this is the same president who belittled ordinary Americans for "clinging" to religion. I guess Muslims "clinging" to a location that infuriates the overwhelming majority of Americans is perfectly fine, even after it's been revealed for the rankly provocative plan it truly is.


Spot on. 

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #107 on: August 16, 2010, 10:14:02 AM »
Jewish World Review August 16, 2010/ 6 Elul, 5770
You've Lost America, Mr. President
By Arnold Ahlert
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com

________________________ ________________________ ______

 | I was "one incident too early." On November 5, 2009, I wrote this for JWR's "sister site", Political Mavens:


"Barack Obama's presidency is effectively over. Strong words? Ask yourself this: what other president of the United States would have spent almost three minutes speaking at the Dept. of Interior before getting around to mentioning the fact that twelve soldiers had been killed, and thirty one wounded in a massacre at Fort Hood in Texas?"

Alas, most Americans let this travesty slide down the memory hole. Thankfully, like he has with so many other unpopular positions, Barack Hussein Obama has "doubled down:" his support of the Ground Zero mosque is game, set, match.

As I wrote in my previous column, the true intentions of the mosque builders were revealed when they turned down NY Governor David Patterson's offer of state land in return for re-locating the mosque away from Ground Zero. They refused. That this "factoid" was seemingly irrelevant to the president speaks volumes.

It is worth remembering this is the same president who belittled ordinary Americans for "clinging" to religion. I guess Muslims "clinging" to a location that infuriates the overwhelming majority of Americans is perfectly fine, even after it's been revealed for the rankly provocative plan it truly is.

Ordinary Americans? They recognize a self-aggrandizing, holier-than-thou phony when they see one. They aren't fooled by a president who says that, "Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground"--only seconds before he reveals the total hollowness of that statement by saying he's fine with a mosque on top of it.

Some one must have told Mr. Obama it wasn't flying. On Saturday, he issued a "clarifying" statement: he wasn't commenting on the "wisdom" of putting a mosque in a particular location, but on the "right people have that dates back to our founding."

Baloney. Reasonable Americans aren't demanding anything remotely resembling a ban on Islam or the ability of its adherents to worship as they please. They're saying show some respect for American sensibilities, and don't build a mosque adjacent to the place where a national tragedy took place--one perpetrated in the name of Islam.

I have tremendous respect for the office of the presidency. That respect has gotten me and doubtless a lot of other Americans through some pretty tough times. And as much as I've disliked some of the people who've occupied that office, I've always taken comfort in the fact that, when push comes to shove, every one of those men, irrespective of political ideology, had America's best interests at heart.

No longer. For the first time in my lifetime, we have an alien in the White House.

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 And that doesn't mean what some of you might think. For the purposes of this column, the "birther debate" is irrelevant. What I'm talking about is a man completely divorced from the American ethos. A man who is utterly clueless about what most Americans want, think or feel. The first president of the United States on the public record with the idea that American exceptionalism is nothing more than one item on a laundry list of national exceptionalisms--none better or worse than any other.

A man who will take America's side--only after he's concluded that it doesn't conflict with his larger worldview.

Sadly, we've reached a point where most Americans don't expect anything different. And why should they? This is a man up to his neck in meaningful associations with card-carrying members of the Hate America crowd--from boyhood mentor, communist Frank Marshall, and racist preacher, Jeremiah Wright, to Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn, and other rabid leftists. This is a man who has stacked his administration with a roster of radicals dedicated to the idea that America is a nation of unrepentant bigots, racists and other low-lifes who must be whipped into "progressive" shape. This is a man who learned--and taught--the "Alinsky Method," a blueprint for the radical re-organization of America by stealth.

Why has the president doggedly kept entire parts of his life, from his early college years straight through law school, away from public view? Bet the farm it's because any paper trail from those years would reveal this president to be the Marxist/socialist radical that occasionally breaches the "teleprompted" facade he has so carefully erected.

Last Friday, the mask slipped once again. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to point a comment directly towards the Cordoba House builders explaining that, while freedom of religion is a sacred American value, their refusal to accept an alternative site on state land offered by the governor is very troubling. He could have called their bluff and said he stands with the overwhelming majority of Americans who find such a refusal appalling. He could have said that "cultural sensitivity" is a two-way street, and that it is about time self-professed "moderate Muslims" demonstrated their moderation.

But he didn't. And he didn't because, for this "citizen of the world," the idea of "putting America first" requires considerable effort. Quite frankly, this is astounding. There is no other position in government where the idea of being "reflexively American" is more important. There is no other man in the country with the unfettered power to put American men and women in harm's way. That fact alone requires unstinting loyalty to our nation, and an unbridled sense of patriotism.

Is that what Americans see when they look at Barack Obama? Or do they see a narcissistic, serial apologizer, a split-the-difference-with-our-enemies appeaser who golfs and parties--while America burns?

This president, along with his lap-dog media supporters, will continue to tell Americans that their anger and disgust has little or nothing to do with the shortcomings of Barack Obama. Everything wrong with the country is "someone else's fault," be it "racist" tea partiers, "fat cat" bankers, "greedy" doctors, "irresponsible" corporations, Republicans, or their favorite whipping boy, George W. Bush.

Sorry, Mr. Obama, no sale. You've done a grand job of alienating the majority of Americans all by yourself. And you know it too, or you wouldn't have "clarified" your position on the Ground Zero mosque twenty four hours after the "real you" revealed itself.

Perhaps someday we'll have someone in the Oval Office with a more jaundiced view of America than yours. I hope I never live to see it. And I fervently hope Americans remember exactly who you are when 2012 rolls around. We can probably muddle through two more years with a charlatan in the White House.

Heaven help America if it's six.

________________________ ________________________ ___________

It is worth remembering this is the same president who belittled ordinary Americans for "clinging" to religion. I guess Muslims "clinging" to a location that infuriates the overwhelming majority of Americans is perfectly fine, even after it's been revealed for the rankly provocative plan it truly is.


Spot on. 

thats dumb...its not that anyone is clinging to religion..they are clinging to their right as AMERICANS to build it legally...Why is this so hard to grasp...Jesus H Christ..

This dude who wrote this article is skilled in the art of blurring...and not the issue at hand...get a fucking grip...unless you prove to me that something is illegal and UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....the issue is the same...it is what we are founded on...Rights...God Damn...what the fuck is so difficult about this

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #108 on: August 16, 2010, 10:15:10 AM »
Jewish World Review August 16, 2010/ 6 Elul, 5770
You've Lost America, Mr. President
By Arnold Ahlert
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com

________________________ ________________________ ______

 | I was "one incident too early." On November 5, 2009, I wrote this for JWR's "sister site", Political Mavens:


"Barack Obama's presidency is effectively over. Strong words? Ask yourself this: what other president of the United States would have spent almost three minutes speaking at the Dept. of Interior before getting around to mentioning the fact that twelve soldiers had been killed, and thirty one wounded in a massacre at Fort Hood in Texas?"

Alas, most Americans let this travesty slide down the memory hole. Thankfully, like he has with so many other unpopular positions, Barack Hussein Obama has "doubled down:" his support of the Ground Zero mosque is game, set, match.

As I wrote in my previous column, the true intentions of the mosque builders were revealed when they turned down NY Governor David Patterson's offer of state land in return for re-locating the mosque away from Ground Zero. They refused. That this "factoid" was seemingly irrelevant to the president speaks volumes.

It is worth remembering this is the same president who belittled ordinary Americans for "clinging" to religion. I guess Muslims "clinging" to a location that infuriates the overwhelming majority of Americans is perfectly fine, even after it's been revealed for the rankly provocative plan it truly is.

Ordinary Americans? They recognize a self-aggrandizing, holier-than-thou phony when they see one. They aren't fooled by a president who says that, "Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground"--only seconds before he reveals the total hollowness of that statement by saying he's fine with a mosque on top of it.

Some one must have told Mr. Obama it wasn't flying. On Saturday, he issued a "clarifying" statement: he wasn't commenting on the "wisdom" of putting a mosque in a particular location, but on the "right people have that dates back to our founding."

Baloney. Reasonable Americans aren't demanding anything remotely resembling a ban on Islam or the ability of its adherents to worship as they please. They're saying show some respect for American sensibilities, and don't build a mosque adjacent to the place where a national tragedy took place--one perpetrated in the name of Islam.

I have tremendous respect for the office of the presidency. That respect has gotten me and doubtless a lot of other Americans through some pretty tough times. And as much as I've disliked some of the people who've occupied that office, I've always taken comfort in the fact that, when push comes to shove, every one of those men, irrespective of political ideology, had America's best interests at heart.

No longer. For the first time in my lifetime, we have an alien in the White House.

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 And that doesn't mean what some of you might think. For the purposes of this column, the "birther debate" is irrelevant. What I'm talking about is a man completely divorced from the American ethos. A man who is utterly clueless about what most Americans want, think or feel. The first president of the United States on the public record with the idea that American exceptionalism is nothing more than one item on a laundry list of national exceptionalisms--none better or worse than any other.

A man who will take America's side--only after he's concluded that it doesn't conflict with his larger worldview.

Sadly, we've reached a point where most Americans don't expect anything different. And why should they? This is a man up to his neck in meaningful associations with card-carrying members of the Hate America crowd--from boyhood mentor, communist Frank Marshall, and racist preacher, Jeremiah Wright, to Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn, and other rabid leftists. This is a man who has stacked his administration with a roster of radicals dedicated to the idea that America is a nation of unrepentant bigots, racists and other low-lifes who must be whipped into "progressive" shape. This is a man who learned--and taught--the "Alinsky Method," a blueprint for the radical re-organization of America by stealth.

Why has the president doggedly kept entire parts of his life, from his early college years straight through law school, away from public view? Bet the farm it's because any paper trail from those years would reveal this president to be the Marxist/socialist radical that occasionally breaches the "teleprompted" facade he has so carefully erected.

Last Friday, the mask slipped once again. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to point a comment directly towards the Cordoba House builders explaining that, while freedom of religion is a sacred American value, their refusal to accept an alternative site on state land offered by the governor is very troubling. He could have called their bluff and said he stands with the overwhelming majority of Americans who find such a refusal appalling. He could have said that "cultural sensitivity" is a two-way street, and that it is about time self-professed "moderate Muslims" demonstrated their moderation.

But he didn't. And he didn't because, for this "citizen of the world," the idea of "putting America first" requires considerable effort. Quite frankly, this is astounding. There is no other position in government where the idea of being "reflexively American" is more important. There is no other man in the country with the unfettered power to put American men and women in harm's way. That fact alone requires unstinting loyalty to our nation, and an unbridled sense of patriotism.

Is that what Americans see when they look at Barack Obama? Or do they see a narcissistic, serial apologizer, a split-the-difference-with-our-enemies appeaser who golfs and parties--while America burns?

This president, along with his lap-dog media supporters, will continue to tell Americans that their anger and disgust has little or nothing to do with the shortcomings of Barack Obama. Everything wrong with the country is "someone else's fault," be it "racist" tea partiers, "fat cat" bankers, "greedy" doctors, "irresponsible" corporations, Republicans, or their favorite whipping boy, George W. Bush.

Sorry, Mr. Obama, no sale. You've done a grand job of alienating the majority of Americans all by yourself. And you know it too, or you wouldn't have "clarified" your position on the Ground Zero mosque twenty four hours after the "real you" revealed itself.

Perhaps someday we'll have someone in the Oval Office with a more jaundiced view of America than yours. I hope I never live to see it. And I fervently hope Americans remember exactly who you are when 2012 rolls around. We can probably muddle through two more years with a charlatan in the White House.

Heaven help America if it's six.

________________________ ________________________ ___________

It is worth remembering this is the same president who belittled ordinary Americans for "clinging" to religion. I guess Muslims "clinging" to a location that infuriates the overwhelming majority of Americans is perfectly fine, even after it's been revealed for the rankly provocative plan it truly is.


Spot on. 

Great article. It's just another example of Obama ignoring the opinion of most Americans and siding with the small minority who despise everything about this country.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #109 on: August 16, 2010, 10:19:03 AM »
US born muslims in NYC are not clamoring for this pofs plan as there are hundreds of other mosques for them to pray in already.  

This is the brain child of others not yet known from overseas who will funding this and knowing useful idiots and dupes like yourself will be supporting it under misquided notions of religious freedom, when nothing of the sort it as play here.  

Sorry, to be so crass about it, but you are being played as a dupe and useful idiot in buying into this trash, just like you did with voting for Obama over Hillary.    


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« Reply #110 on: August 16, 2010, 10:22:01 AM »
Great article. It's just another example of Obama ignoring the opinion of most Americans and siding with the small minority who despise everything about this country.


Siding with the constitutional..Do you understand the can of worms this will opened if it is blocked with the wrong premise....premise being that muslims suck...that aint gonna fly..but if it does..where would it stop

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #111 on: August 16, 2010, 10:24:44 AM »

Siding with the constitutional..Do you understand the can of worms this will opened if it is blocked with the wrong premise....premise being that muslims suck...that aint gonna fly..but if it does..where would it stop

Too bad you don't side with the constitution on anything else.   

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #112 on: August 16, 2010, 10:26:43 AM »

Siding with the constitutional..Do you understand the can of worms this will opened if it is blocked with the wrong premise....premise being that muslims suck...that aint gonna fly..but if it does..where would it stop

Nowhere in the constitution does it say that people can build a house of worship anywhere they want. There have been multiple examples posted of people having their plans to build varying houses of worship denied. No where did anyone claim that their rights were violated as the constitution does not grant them the ability to build wherever they feel like it.  

What the constitution allows is for them to practice Islam, and no one is arguing against that.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #113 on: August 16, 2010, 10:27:58 AM »
Too bad you don't side with the constitution on anything else.   

Prove it...tell me where i didnt side with the constitution on one issue...


thats a bold aligation my man...so you better be able to prove it

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #114 on: August 16, 2010, 10:29:28 AM »
thats dumb...its not that anyone is clinging to religion..they are clinging to their right as AMERICANS to build it legally...Why is this so hard to grasp...Jesus H Christ..

This dude who wrote this article is skilled in the art of blurring...and not the issue at hand...get a fucking grip...unless you prove to me that something is illegal and UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....the issue is the same...it is what we are founded on...Rights...God Damn...what the fuck is so difficult about this

I would still like to see your response to my question...here it is again..
What if the KKK wanted to put their headquarters at Martin Luther king's former house.....or they wanted to build it where that black guy James Byrd was dragged to death by some rednecks in a pickup truck till there was nothing left of him? Do you support that too? How much must something be in bad taste before you say, "That shit just ain't right !"

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #115 on: August 16, 2010, 10:30:09 AM »
Nowhere in the constitution does it say that people can build a house of worship anywhere they want. There have been multiple examples posted of people having their plans to build varying houses of worship denied. No where did anyone claim that their rights were violated as the constitution does not grant them the ability to build wherever they feel like it.  

What the constitution allows is for them to practice Islam, and no one is arguing against that.


Right...so they practice islam and want to build a mosque right..Well if they passed all zoning codes..as well as everything else is legal...what legal grounds does anyone have to block them?

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #116 on: August 16, 2010, 10:32:14 AM »
Prove it...tell me where i didnt side with the constitution on one issue...


thats a bold aligation my man...so you better be able to prove it

Where was your ardent opposition to the mandate contained in ObamaCare?

Where is your opposition to the Obama Admn pursuing the Bush policies re: warrantless surveillance x 2?  

Where is your opposition to the gross expansion of the Executive Branch under Obama?

Where is your opposition to the gross increase in Govt invoolvement in all areas of the economy?  

Where is your opposition to the Obama Admn paying for the Imam to promote this mosque as well as the State Department building mosques overseas?  



Some of your posts on these would be nice.  

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #117 on: August 16, 2010, 10:33:24 AM »
I would still like to see your response to my question...here it is again..
What if the KKK wanted to put their headquarters at Martin Luther king's former house.....or they wanted to build it where that black guy James Byrd was dragged to death by some rednecks in a pickup truck till there was nothing left of him? Do you support that too? How much must something be in bad taste before you say, "That shit just ain't right !"


bro...i already answered that a few posts back...if they pass all codes and follow the law...how legaly can it be blocked...because i dont like them...that makes this great country that was built on freedom...no better than feudal societies where laws can be made up on the fly...i said also that i supported  Don Imus' freedom of speech and condemned Sharpton for trying to have Imus suffer a penalty for expressing himself and his first ammendment right

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #118 on: August 16, 2010, 10:36:31 AM »

Right...so they practice islam and want to build a mosque right..Well if they passed all zoning codes..as well as everything else is legal...what legal grounds does anyone have to block them?

Is everything else legal, though? Look at all the shady shit going on with this mosque. Among the many shady things involving this shrine to Islamic supremacism, they claimed to own the property outright. Turns out they own 50% of it and the other 50% is owned by the state of NY and subject to approval by commission should it be sold. They claimed, in English, that it would be funded by American donations and then claimed in Arabic that it would be funded by foreign donations. It is illegal to take funding from organizations labeled as terrorist groups by our government and should it turn out that they're funding this through those groups, then criminal charges will be in order and the funding most likely confiscated.

Until matters like that get sorted out, their "legal right" to build it there is non-existent. At the least, it should be delayed indefinitely until all that is sorted out. The mad rush to get this thing built tells me that they're hiding something and trying to bury it.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #119 on: August 16, 2010, 10:37:05 AM »

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #120 on: August 16, 2010, 10:38:58 AM »

bro...i already answered that a few posts back...if they pass all codes and follow the law...how legaly can it be blocked...because i dont like them...that makes this great country that was built on freedom...no better than feudal societies where laws can be made up on the fly...i said also that i supported  Don Imus' freedom of speech and condemned Sharpton for trying to have Imus suffer a penalty for expressing himself and his first ammendment right
Well...you might be OK with a Racist organization building their headquarters on the site of a hate crime..as in my James Byrd example..but I can assure you, it would never be allowed to be built. And you know Obama wouldn't support such an act. This Mosque idea is equally repugnant.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #121 on: August 16, 2010, 10:41:08 AM »


If he already has a mosque and community 10 blocks from there as he claims, why does he need a new one right on Ground Zero?  Is there a huge influx of muslims in the area that his mosque can't accomodate? 

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #122 on: August 16, 2010, 10:48:40 AM »
Where was your ardent opposition to the mandate contained in ObamaCare?
Just because you preceive this to be Unstitutional ...it isnt...because i know youre a lawyer and i have been reading US constitutional Law since i was a kid, We can have a debate on the constitutional validity of the new healthcare bill...now tell me specifically what way it unconstitutional..and we will debate that.



Where is your opposition to the Obama Admn pursuing the Bush policies re: warrantless surveillance x 2? 
And i do oppose warrantless surveillance...its just a fact that i dont like any infringments on freedoms. So here is my opposition...I oppose it


Where is your opposition to the gross expansion of the Executive Branch under Obama?
Be more specific...Because as i see it..there are many issues that the status quo is in opposition to the president..and he could order an executive order but he would go through the legislative channels to get it done...eg dont ask dont tell where he could stop it..and liberal talk radio was clamoring for him to do it..but i didnt agree with it...i think the branches are set up for a reason...and he hasnt trampled on them

Where is your opposition to the gross increase in Govt invoolvement in all areas of the economy?  
Again..what instances are you talking about and match them up to a specific article in the constitution where it contradicts...

Where is your opposition to the Obama Admn paying for the Imam to promote this mosque as well as the State Department building mosques overseas?  
And i havent read abou that..but again tell me specific articles in the constitution that it contradicts and if it does go against it...im against it




Some of your posts on these would be nice.  

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #123 on: August 16, 2010, 10:50:51 AM »
If he already has a mosque and community 10 blocks from there as he claims, why does he need a new one right on Ground Zero?  Is there a huge influx of muslims in the area that his mosque can't accomodate?  

you don't have to be muslim, you can go swim in the pool or play basketball ;D oh theres one spot left in the GED class. ACCOMMODATE ;D

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2010, 10:53:48 AM »
you don't have to be muslim, you can go swim in the pool or play basketball ;D oh theres one spot left in the GED class. ACCOMMODATE ;D

Maybe I will go piss in the pool if this thing is ever opened and let loss some small pigs to run around.