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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #125 on: August 16, 2010, 10:56:31 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if it never gets built. The Democrats are starting to realize what the consequences are going to be for continuing to go against the will of the majority of America for issues like illegal immigration and now this Mosque....Don't be surprised if some unknown contingency suddenly appears that prohibits the Mosque being built. The Dems don't want to alienate everyone and they are already trying..before the elections..to disassociate themselves with Obama. They know only radicals and far left loons are still on Obama's side.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #126 on: August 16, 2010, 11:13:31 AM »
Im on the side of the constitution..not the ever changing fickle will of a section of Americans...


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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2010, 11:17:20 AM »
Im on the side of the constitution..not the ever changing fickle will of a section of Americans...



GMAFBl.  You are a nice guy, but please. 

Your silence on the mandate in obamacare and everything else I listed before which your were silent on destroys any credibility you may have on this. 

   

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2010, 11:32:20 AM »
GMAFBl.  You are a nice guy, but please. 

Your silence on the mandate in obamacare and everything else I listed before which your were silent on destroys any credibility you may have on this. 

   

What are you talking about...i just responded to each alligation of UnAmericanism...Because i disagree with you dosent make me it unconstitutional...

And like i said...Show me...Showe me the bill and where it specifically contradicts the constitution...and if you show me..then i will condemn it..but just beause you disagree with something dont make it unconstitutional

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2010, 11:36:40 AM »
What are you talking about...i just responded to each alligation of UnAmericanism...Because i disagree with you dosent make me it unconstitutional...

And like i said...Show me...Showe me the bill and where it specifically contradicts the constitution...and if you show me..then i will condemn it..but just beause you disagree with something dont make it unconstitutional


There are tons of lawsuits currently filed challenging the constituionality of that povision.   

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #130 on: August 16, 2010, 11:40:41 AM »
There are tons of lawsuits currently filed challenging the constituionality of that povision.   

You show me where the provision is unconstitutional...show me the provision and where it contradicts the US constitution.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2010, 11:52:08 AM »
You show me where the provision is unconstitutional...show me the provision and where it contradicts the US constitution.

Again fool - where does the constitution provide the federal govt the power to mandate that I purchase a private product from a private company as a condition of living? 

This is why libs are only 20% at best of the population, you guys are a hypocritical joke at best.  AWB - fine, obamacare mandate - fine, Imam Faesal being paid by State Dept to promote the mosque - fine, State Dept. funding mosques - fine, and on and on and on.   

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #132 on: August 16, 2010, 11:58:44 AM »
Again fool - where does the constitution provide the federal govt the power to mandate that I purchase a private product from a private company as a condition of living? 

This is why libs are only 20% at best of the population, you guys are a hypocritical joke at best.  AWB - fine, obamacare mandate - fine, Imam Faesal being paid by State Dept to promote the mosque - fine, State Dept. funding mosques - fine, and on and on and on.   

alls i asked you to do was show me where it happened..

I wasnt forced to buy insurance..neither were any of my friends...some of them dont have insurance right now...they werent forced...and what are the penalities if they dont byt healthcare?

Tell me the legal reasons the mosque isnt to be built. And why

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #133 on: August 16, 2010, 12:04:00 PM »
Again fool - where does the constitution provide the federal govt the power to mandate that I purchase a private product from a private company as a condition of living? 

This is why libs are only 20% at best of the population, you guys are a hypocritical joke at best.  AWB - fine, obamacare mandate - fine, Imam Faesal being paid by State Dept to promote the mosque - fine, State Dept. funding mosques - fine, and on and on and on.   

and about me being a lib ...it goes like this...If it matches the constitution...im good with it...if not...then im not. im not all one thing...If you are..then you are an idiot. ..like you 3333

I want tougher borders...and i blame obama just like i blamed bush for it...

but my thing is this..when did personal issues become a political parties platform

gay marriage
for = democrat
against = repub...

i just dont understand...
guns= repub
no guns= demo...

thats just dumb because i am for gay marriages..i want you to be happy 333 :)
but i also want to keep  my 2nd ammendment right to drop a mutha fucka with my p99

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #134 on: August 16, 2010, 02:43:51 PM »
You show me where the provision is unconstitutional...show me the provision and where it contradicts the US constitution.

The powers of the federal government are limited to the powers granted by the constitution. Meaning, because the constitution doesn't say the government can't do something doesn't mean they can. Their powers are easily ans simply listed. The powers not listed, the things they are not given power to do nor prohibited from doing, these powers are granted to the states and they may choose how to function within these powers so as long as nothing they do goes against the powers granted to the federal government.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #135 on: August 16, 2010, 03:28:20 PM »
Why is it defamation and slander?  Truth is a absolute defense in a court of law.  

And inciting a situation?  I agree with you which is why I would not do that, even though I may have a technical right to do it.    


Can you even slander a public figure such as the president?
Jesse Ventura got in hot water when he called some politician a "commie" on his radio show years ago.
The guy threatened legal action, but Ventura's lawyers assured him that you can publicly state any opinion you want regarding a public figure because, as one, they voluntarily offer themselves up for an and all criticism.


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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #136 on: August 16, 2010, 06:23:54 PM »

Can you even slander a public figure such as the president?
Jesse Ventura got in hot water when he called some politician a "commie" on his radio show years ago.
The guy threatened legal action, but Ventura's lawyers assured him that you can publicly state any opinion you want regarding a public figure because, as one, they voluntarily offer themselves up for an and all criticism.



Again - just because I have a right to call obama a racist name and derogatory things on a huge sign so his kids can see it does not make it right to do. 

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #137 on: August 16, 2010, 06:45:53 PM »
Obama’s Mosque Stand: Again, Not Ready For PrimeTime

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In 2008, in both the Democrat nomination process as well as the general election, candidates that faced off against Barack Obama, time and again, stated that Obama was simply not ready for prime time.  His inexperience was a major hindrance to being an effective President.  Then Sen. Joe Biden (now Vice President Joseph Biden) stated the Presidency is not a position for ‘on the job training’.

How true that is.

Forget about the multiple foreign policy blunders.  Forget about the inability to have any coherent economic policy other than tax-and-spend.  Dismiss the fact that Obama doesn’t really care about securing the border, illegal immigration, or a multitude of other issues that the public is concerned about.

Let us simply look at the hard nosed politics involved.

And even in that arena, Obama falls far short.

The latest example is the mosque that is being considered for lower Manhattan, just blocks from the World Trade Center site.

Forget the argument over the mosque itself; many, if not most, bloggers have discussed the right of freedom of religion versus the common sense questioning of if the mosque location is appropriate.  I will leave that argument to others.

But what is more interesting in the long term for the people of the United States, and Democrats in particular, is Obama’s tone deaf political nature.

For weeks, the White House actually took the smartest approach to the mosque controversy:  “It is a local issue”.  Honestly, I don’t think George W. Bush would have had a different policy.  It is a local issue, ultimately, despite the constitutional repercussions. White House spokesperson Robert Gibbs, over and over, refused to respond to questions about the mosque, deferring to the city of New York.

And then, our President-in-training came out to play.

Obama, at a White House celebration for Ramadan, took what sounded like a firm stand in support of the mosque.

“Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country,” he said to applause from the largely Muslim crowd.

That would have been fine…but Obama took it a step further.  The entire quote:

But let me be clear. As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the founders must endure.

That was a far more reaching statement than simply defending the mosque supporters First Amendment rights.  It appeared as a tacit approval of the site itself.

This is the part where the West Wing got spooked.  Vulnerable Democrats, many moderates in risky seats, were outraged.  Not so much for the Constitutional stand (which even right wingers have accepted), but for the blanket statement of support for the mosque at a time when many, if not most, Americans oppose the mosque site.

On Saturday, the president said, “I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque” near Ground Zero, he told reporters during a visit to the Gulf Coast. “I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding.”

Except, sir, that you already commented on the wisdom and decision.

The irony is, between the time of the comments on Friday and the Saturday ‘revision’, many liberal outlets praised Obama’s courage under fire.  One example, from Greg Sargent of the Washington Post:

Obama didn’t just stand up for the legal right of the group to build the Islamic center. He voiced powerful support for their moral right to do so as well, casting it as central to American identity. … Obama went much further than [to acknowledge the legal rights of the project's backers]. He asserted that we must “welcome” and “respect” those of other faiths, suggesting that the group behind the center deserves the same, and said flat out that anything less is un-American.

Which was fine…until the President, and later the White House itself, quickly and abruptly backed away from this ‘moral stand’.

The whole thing is a joke.  First, the President was stupid to involve himself in the debate in the first place.  This is a local issue that should be decided by the people of New York City.  Second, once he decided to wade into the debate, the least he could have done is actually take a principled stand.  Mr. Obama’s stand, I believe, is incorrect in its blanket approval of the mosque site, simply because of the First Amendment; the issue is much more complicated than that.  But as the Constitutional professor he thinks himself to be, for him it was a black and white issue…with no middle ground.  That is an analysis that 70% of Americans disagree with, if you believe recent polling.  Then, to compound the matter, he could not even stand up for those principles (and who of us don’t believe he was speaking the truth from his liberal, left-leaning heart when he spoke on Friday?).  So, in the matter of 24 hours, he alienated the 70% of Americans against the mosque site, then alienated the Muslims he tried to reach out to, as well as much of the Democrat Party.

Pretty impressive.

It speaks volumes when most Democrats want no part of this.  Senators Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand won’t touch the issue with a 10 foot pole.  Harry Reid came out against the mosque site today, in stark contrast to the White House.

“The main reaction is ‘Why? Why now?’” said one House Democratic leadership aide. “It’s just another day off message. There have been a lot of days off message.”

The chief of staff to one politically vulnerable House Democrat said it “probably alienates a lot of independent voters” and “it’s not a good issue to be talking about right now.”

The answer, my Democrat brothers, is simple:  when you pick a neophyte to be your leader…you get what you pay for.

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So, in the matter of 24 hours, he alienated the 70% of Americans against the mosque site, then alienated the Muslims he tried to reach out to, as well as much of the Democrat Party.



Yet the libs call Palin dumb?   ::)

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #138 on: August 16, 2010, 07:39:04 PM »
Again - just because I have a right to call obama a racist name and derogatory things on a huge sign so his kids can see it does not make it right to do.  


Oh, I know you wouldn’t because you have morals and are ethical, as well as sensitive to the consideration of others.
My inquiry was based purely on a hypothetical scenario.



So, in the matter of 24 hours, he alienated the 70% of Americans against the mosque site, then alienated the Muslims he tried to reach out to, as well as much of the Democrat Party.


I can't understand why more Democrats aren't disillusioned and upset with stunts like these.
He's winning the November elections for the Conservatives, just as "Junior" all but secured the Dems the WH 20 months earlier.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #139 on: August 16, 2010, 08:01:48 PM »
Wow, NBC just had a blurb on about the 'real' WTC mosque.

It is 4 blocks from the world trade center.  It was there before the WTC went up.  They showed video of it.

Nobody bitched about it.  So the religion isn't the problem?  Rather, it's just this particular group that yall don't like?  Or you just didn't know about this smaller 'house of worship' which was there all along?

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #140 on: August 16, 2010, 08:07:17 PM »
hahahaha oh brother... Daily show playing old video.

This Iman was a guest on FOX NEWS this year.

Wow... this "guy" supported the attacks right after 911, blamed american for it.

I wonder why FOX news would bring this guy on as a guest.





(Not only that, but they played his 9/30/01 comments about how the US was to blame for 911... then they showed glen beck saying THE EXACT SAME THING just 3 months ago.   geez)

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #141 on: August 16, 2010, 08:14:07 PM »
Wow, NBC just had a blurb on about the 'real' WTC mosque.

It is 4 blocks from the world trade center.  It was there before the WTC went up.  They showed video of it.

Nobody bitched about it.  So the religion isn't the problem?  Rather, it's just this particular group that yall don't like?  Or you just didn't know about this smaller 'house of worship' which was there all along?
yes it is. 

still, like john bohenner and every other voice whose sole job it is to shit on everything obama does, you have to take their opinion with a grain of salt.
hmmm doesnt sound like you took msnbc's words with a grain of salt...wonder why  ???

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #142 on: August 16, 2010, 08:16:01 PM »
dude, i outright ASKED getbiggers if it was that religion that was the problem - or just the one particular dude that talked shit after 911 and had all sorts of questionable $ ties.


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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #143 on: August 16, 2010, 08:20:55 PM »
dude, i outright ASKED getbiggers if it was that religion that was the problem - or just the one particular dude that talked shit after 911 and had all sorts of questionable $ ties.

what does that have to do with you not taking msnbc's broadcast with a grain of salt?

hmmm I wonder why you would make a point of saying that about a conservative source but not msnbc?  :-\ its a puzzler...

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #144 on: August 16, 2010, 08:55:38 PM »
Wow, NBC just had a blurb on about the 'real' WTC mosque.

It is 4 blocks from the world trade center.  It was there before the WTC went up.  They showed video of it.

Nobody bitched about it.  So the religion isn't the problem?  Rather, it's just this particular group that yall don't like?  Or you just didn't know about this smaller 'house of worship' which was there all along?

You just don't get it, do you? This mosque is going up 600 feet from Ground Zero. That's about as close as you can get in the city without actually being on top of the site. It's not 4 blocks and it wasn't there before.

The name alone tells you what this mosque is. Cordoba, Spain was conquered by the Moors and while the Muslims will tell you that the three religions lived in harmony, the actual truth is that both Christians and Jews were second-class, subjugated citizens where they were subjected to a number of atrocities and other kafir punishments, which included being barred from certain jobs and being forced to wear different clothing signifying their kafir status. This mosque is a symbol of Islamic supremacism over that area.

Muslims are notorious for building triumphal mosques on the cherished sites of conquered peoples. And that's exactly what they are doing here.

Now, instead of flat-out lying about what's in the constitution of this country (as you've been doing for a week now), go educate yourself on the topic.


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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #145 on: August 16, 2010, 08:59:57 PM »
I wonder if these people would approve of a mosque there?  ::)

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #146 on: August 17, 2010, 04:48:50 AM »
You just don't get it, do you? This mosque is going up 600 feet from Ground Zero. That's about as close as you can get in the city without actually being on top of the site. It's not 4 blocks and it wasn't there before.

The name alone tells you what this mosque is. Cordoba, Spain was conquered by the Moors and while the Muslims will tell you that the three religions lived in harmony, the actual truth is that both Christians and Jews were second-class, subjugated citizens where they were subjected to a number of atrocities and other kafir punishments, which included being barred from certain jobs and being forced to wear different clothing signifying their kafir status. This mosque is a symbol of Islamic supremacism over that area.

Muslims are notorious for building triumphal mosques on the cherished sites of conquered peoples. And that's exactly what they are doing here.

Now, instead of flat-out lying about what's in the constitution of this country (as you've been doing for a week now), go educate yourself on the topic.



"The Cordoba Mosque Project" is what this is. Earlier in this thread, I raised the question of how interesting it was that the Imam and whoever else behind this would name it after such a Mosque. You are very correct in your statement about all other religions being second class and subject to discrimination, torture and other inhumane treatment as that was "the way things were". This is direct provocation and they didn't pick the name "Cordoba" and the location of the site by accident, or to lead the way to religious harmony. Islam isn't about harmony with others, it never was and it never will be.

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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #147 on: August 17, 2010, 05:13:09 AM »
Gigantor - I live here and people are really livid.  I mean really livid now.  The KSM trials were one thing, and I attended those protests. 

But this is a whole other matter.  Obama is going to spark civil violence if he does not stop this bs, or worse. 

 

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« Reply #148 on: August 17, 2010, 05:16:05 AM »
Gigantor - I live here and people are really livid.  I mean really livid now.  The KSM trials were one thing, and I attended those protests. 

But this is a whole other matter.  Obama is going to spark civil violence if he does not stop this bs, or worse. 

 
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Re: Obama throws support behind controversial Islamic center
« Reply #149 on: August 17, 2010, 05:17:41 AM »
Gigantor - I live here and people are really livid.  I mean really livid now.  The KSM trials were one thing, and I attended those protests. 

But this is a whole other matter.  Obama is going to spark civil violence if he does not stop this bs, or worse. 

 


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