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GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« on: August 17, 2010, 04:40:08 AM »
if brandon's old lady is doing his diet and prep....then what the hell is rambod for?  brandon just needs to go ronnie coleman on his legs and he is there.  as far as phil and jay...we can assume the NP handles Jay's drying out regime  ;), and phil is only his client because he does anything jay does but was already there before he hooked up with ths guy?  what's pt of these guys?  all i know is ronnie got preg and flex started losing body parts after chad.  how about some lite on this?






Hany Vs Curry

CurryBrandon "The Prodigy" Curry made his pro debut a few weeks ago at Tim Garner's PBW Tampa Pro. This debut was greatly anticipated by both the fans and his sponsors, BSN and Weider/AMI.  For this contest, it was a well-established fact that Curry was working with contest prep guru, Hany Rambod. Through the grape vine, I heard that for some unknown reason the Curry/Rambod collaboration broke up 8 weeks prior to Tampa. So, when I ran into Rambod backstage in Dallas, I just had to get the scoop!   Lucky for you, my loyal readers, I have the chutzpah necessary to ask the tough questions!

Hany's version goes a little something like this:  8 weeks prior to the contest, he asked Brandon to fly out to him for two days of gym training and evaluation. This is something that Hany says all of his athletes routinely do (including Jay Cutler and Phil Heath). Instead of agreeing, Brandon claimed it didn't make sense, financially, for him to put out that kind of money to go see him. Hany says this showed Brandon's lack of drive and motivation. Hany felt like this was a very reasonable request, and since Brandon was making decent money with both BSN and
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Weider, he didn't understand Brandon's reluctance to spend the money to come see him.  Later, when Hany's assistant had to request progress pictures multiple times, enough was enough and Hany made a phone call to Brandon.  He basically told Curry that he didn't feel like it was working out and that he felt he was more worried about Brandon's career than Brandon.  He expected Brandon to argue or ask for another chance, but instead Brandon simply said, "OK".   According to Hany, this was all the verification he needed to know he had

made the correct decision to terminate his coaching relationship with Curry.

Now, it wouldn't be fair to Brandon if I stopped there. After the Europa show was over, I approached Curry and his lovely wife, Brandy Leaver, to find out their side of the story.  Not surprisingly, they had a VERY different story.  In fact, Brandie says SHE was the one who crafted Brandon's contest diet at the request of Hany. When she sent him a copy of the diet, he approved it and NEVER changed it throughout the length of the prep period. She said it shocked both her and Brandon how little Hany was involved with Brandon's prep. When Hany called and asked Brandon to come up to see him at 5 weeks out (yes, they both claim it was 5 weeks; not 8) they were both skeptical about what Hany could do IN PERSON that he couldn't do over the internet or over the phone. Brandon actually said that Hany was planning on having him stay in a Casino hotel and that the trip would cost him well over a thousand dollars. He couldn't justify the expense and told Hany how he felt.  Brandon revealed that by this point in time he no longer felt like he wanted Hany's help but he was afraid to offend his sponsors by dropping the diet guru.  Hany terminating the arrangement, himself, was exactly what both Brandy and Brandon felt was the easiest solution to an uncomfortable situation.

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 07:22:39 AM »
who cares?

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 07:29:15 AM »
If I want to read a book, I'll go to the library.  At least there, you can find an interesting one.

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 07:37:15 AM »
Brandon Curry, better structure than Phil Heath, but smoother than a Barry White song...
And that's after 2 yrs of "getting ready" time...

I see him and maybe Cedric not living up to expectations

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 07:40:21 AM »
if brandon's old lady is doing his diet and prep....then what the hell is rambod for?  brandon just needs to go ronnie coleman on his legs and he is there.  as far as phil and jay...we can assume the NP handles Jay's drying out regime  ;), and phil is only his client because he does anything jay does but was already there before he hooked up with ths guy?  what's pt of these guys?  all i know is ronnie got preg and flex started losing body parts after chad.  how about some lite on this?






Hany Vs Curry

CurryBrandon "The Prodigy" Curry made his pro debut a few weeks ago at Tim Garner's PBW Tampa Pro. This debut was greatly anticipated by both the fans and his sponsors, BSN and Weider/AMI.  For this contest, it was a well-established fact that Curry was working with contest prep guru, Hany Rambod. Through the grape vine, I heard that for some unknown reason the Curry/Rambod collaboration broke up 8 weeks prior to Tampa. So, when I ran into Rambod backstage in Dallas, I just had to get the scoop!   Lucky for you, my loyal readers, I have the chutzpah necessary to ask the tough questions!

Hany's version goes a little something like this:  8 weeks prior to the contest, he asked Brandon to fly out to him for two days of gym training and evaluation. This is something that Hany says all of his athletes routinely do (including Jay Cutler and Phil Heath). Instead of agreeing, Brandon claimed it didn't make sense, financially, for him to put out that kind of money to go see him. Hany says this showed Brandon's lack of drive and motivation. Hany felt like this was a very reasonable request, and since Brandon was making decent money with both BSN and
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Weider, he didn't understand Brandon's reluctance to spend the money to come see him.  Later, when Hany's assistant had to request progress pictures multiple times, enough was enough and Hany made a phone call to Brandon.  He basically told Curry that he didn't feel like it was working out and that he felt he was more worried about Brandon's career than Brandon.  He expected Brandon to argue or ask for another chance, but instead Brandon simply said, "OK".   According to Hany, this was all the verification he needed to know he had

made the correct decision to terminate his coaching relationship with Curry.

Now, it wouldn't be fair to Brandon if I stopped there. After the Europa show was over, I approached Curry and his lovely wife, Brandy Leaver, to find out their side of the story.  Not surprisingly, they had a VERY different story.  In fact, Brandie says SHE was the one who crafted Brandon's contest diet at the request of Hany. When she sent him a copy of the diet, he approved it and NEVER changed it throughout the length of the prep period. She said it shocked both her and Brandon how little Hany was involved with Brandon's prep. When Hany called and asked Brandon to come up to see him at 5 weeks out (yes, they both claim it was 5 weeks; not 8) they were both skeptical about what Hany could do IN PERSON that he couldn't do over the internet or over the phone. Brandon actually said that Hany was planning on having him stay in a Casino hotel and that the trip would cost him well over a thousand dollars. He couldn't justify the expense and told Hany how he felt.  Brandon revealed that by this point in time he no longer felt like he wanted Hany's help but he was afraid to offend his sponsors by dropping the diet guru.  Hany terminating the arrangement, himself, was exactly what both Brandy and Brandon felt was the easiest solution to an uncomfortable situation.


Well Guru's are the thing now and it's going to be very rare to find someone  good who doesn't use one.  I think like mot things there is truth in both their stories,
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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 07:51:14 AM »
Well Guru's are the thing now and it's going to be very rare to find someone  good who doesn't use one.  I think like mot things there is truth in both their stories,

hold on...wiggs.  i see a big difference with melvin working with dj, guys going to charles in venice, shawn and vince with john, and milos in fullerton. chad and this rambod have no history as bbers.  what have they done?  look at flex wheeler's track record when he worked with shawn for 4 shows.  4-0.   i wont say oscar because he almost comes off as a personal assistant to kai.  

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 08:22:02 AM »
hold on...wiggs.  i see a big difference with melvin working with dj, guys going to charles in venice, shawn and vince with john, and milos in fullerton. chad and this rambod have no history as bbers.  what have they done?  look at flex wheeler's track record when he worked with shawn for 4 shows.  4-0.   i wont say oscar because he almost comes off as a personal assistant to kai.  

there are coaches in every sport that dont look the part, or have never competed at a high level yet are successful.
 
curry is correct though. if the whole prep has been done via e-mail, webcam or whatever, why does he suddenly need to go out to see rambod? at his own expense no less?  rambod just wants a photo op with his clients , at a stage in the prep where they will still look huge but fairly ripped as well, and wants them to pay for the privilege.  free advertising, i suppose.

or.....fast forward to 3:50, tell me what you think of rambods ecstacy


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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 08:46:53 AM »
there are coaches in every sport that dont look the part, or have never competed at a high level yet are successful.
 
curry is correct though. if the whole prep has been done via e-mail, webcam or whatever, why does he suddenly need to go out to see rambod? at his own expense no less?  rambod just wants a photo op with his clients , at a stage in the prep where they will still look huge but fairly ripped as well, and wants them to pay for the privilege.  free advertising, i suppose.

or.....fast forward to 3:50, tell me what you think of rambods ecstacy



you are saying that rambod made jay and phil, chad made ronnie and flex.  bbing isn't a sport.  what do these guys do exactly?  curry didn't make any improvements with this guy for 2 yrs...but still mailed a check to him  ???

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 09:47:41 AM »
you are saying that rambod made jay and phil, chad made ronnie and flex.  bbing isn't a sport.  what do these guys do exactly?  curry didn't make any improvements with this guy for 2 yrs...but still mailed a check to him  ???


its been said often enough that 'gurus' are really just 'connections' - to drugs, to sponsors, to judges/higher ups , etc.  thats what those guys do.


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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 10:24:25 AM »
hold on...wiggs.  i see a big difference with melvin working with dj, guys going to charles in venice, shawn and vince with john, and milos in fullerton. chad and this rambod have no history as bbers.  what have they done?  look at flex wheeler's track record when he worked with shawn for 4 shows.  4-0.   i wont say oscar because he almost comes off as a personal assistant to kai.  

Melvin working with DJ, People working with Charles is a training and diet think, not a last week thing. Not using a guru because he wasn't a bodybuilder is stupid.  Bottom line is guru's produce results...Chad did for Ronnie, Flex, Nassar and Kamali, Ramrod does for Phil and Jay and Farrah does for Branch and others...You dumbasses see them as not winning as a failure.  As many bodybuilders will attest having a guru gives them an outside honest eye aeases them of the BS that goes along with dieting/prepping.  I don't care what they look like as long as their track records are good.  Guys that use gurus look better than those that don't FACT.
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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 10:38:59 AM »
ron was mr o before prego chad

shawn ray

vince taylor

flex was a better bber with shawn 4-0 than with chad's hospitalization plan

i contend that curry will now make actual real world improvements over the next 2 yrs vs paying some fat guy to accept his photos by mail

working with a follow top level bber isnt seeking out a guru.

if biff and curry are right...then these guys are mixed in with your placings.  hell...just join manion jr management.

rambod, chad, oscar, and aceto have not produced champs.  they have not taken a guy from day one like john brown did with shawn ray and vince taylor.


they are damn good street hustlers.

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 03:36:49 PM »
its all about politics bro!

u have a better chance of placing higher if you're using a hany or farah for teh chad for ur contest prep!


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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2010, 04:47:27 PM »
ron was mr o before prego chad

shawn ray

vince taylor

flex was a better bber with shawn 4-0 than with chad's hospitalization plan

i contend that curry will now make actual real world improvements over the next 2 yrs vs paying some fat guy to accept his photos by mail

working with a follow top level bber isnt seeking out a guru.

if biff and curry are right...then these guys are mixed in with your placings.  hell...just join manion jr management.

rambod, chad, oscar, and aceto have not produced champs.  they have not taken a guy from day one like john brown did with shawn ray and vince taylor.


they are damn good street hustlers.

Ron was NOT Mr. O before Chad.  He started working with him when he WON NOC in 1998 then the O...Next...I'm not arguing that working with a bodybuilder is working with a Guru...What I'm arguing is that these guru's have produced results...Ramrod, Chad, Oscar Aceto have taken guys that were STUCK and not going anywhere and helped them bring out their potential...No denying that.

Jay worked with Aceto since he was a NPC guy...Jay quit Aceto, stayed the same, worked with Ramrod and Bammm...
Kai was working with no one in the beginning as a pro, teamed up with Oscar...(Again) and bammm,
Flex, looked like shit, cause Flex admittingly cheated on just about all his diets. 
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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2010, 11:14:37 PM »
if you have been reading up on your latest BFG threads you would know why hany is so important....

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2010, 03:04:22 AM »
Hany is a complete idiot, he is terrible.He is about ad dependable as a broken clock.I seen him work with Troy Alves, and he made Troy Look Terrible.He just recently worked with Manny Torres, until this year.Last year he worked with Hany and Bombed, this time on his own and some of my help he placed top 3.
Hany, Bombed with Trey Brewer, He bombed with Brandon Ray, he bombed with Chris Cook, and he bombed with Jerome Ferguson.The only reason some guys use him is because he brings alot fo athletes to shows, so the promoters give his athletes better placings.Hany, over supplements his athletes, uses way to much Cytradren, and fails most of the time.
All his guys looked very drugged, overly drugged.Plus that FST -7, is a bunch of bullshit!!!
FUCKING.Skinny Twink-7" for the 7" pipe he wants in his mouth.Complete idiot.
Balding short delusional lil Fuc$%$ who walks around bodybuilding shows like he is the president.
He is 4'11" midget and stubby, with cheesy ass Goatee so his mouth looks like a snatch for his lover.
I dont see him with any girls, so he proobably a muscle worshiper.Brandon Curry probably caught wind of the perverted lil man wanting to see him in person,lol.So he could rub oil all over Brandon Currys big muscular black body.He just had to do it in person, because he needed to see him and feel him.Without his gf around.
Everybody else like Chris Aceto can dial people in by pics and the internet, but Hany like to take the "hands on "approach.He really like to see and feel how big and hard his athletes are.I think thats how he got his name, ohhhhh Hooaaannnneeyyy.Hany is Honey with a lil slang to it  lol.He is one weird as mofo.Why does a short middle aged man like to hang out with and surround himself with muscular men, when he isnt muscular himself? Can you say schome?

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2010, 04:36:36 AM »
Hany is a complete idiot, he is terrible.He is about ad dependable as a broken clock.I seen him work with Troy Alves, and he made Troy Look Terrible.He just recently worked with Manny Torres, until this year.Last year he worked with Hany and Bombed, this time on his own and some of my help he placed top 3.
Hany, Bombed with Trey Brewer, He bombed with Brandon Ray, he bombed with Chris Cook, and he bombed with Jerome Ferguson.The only reason some guys use him is because he brings alot fo athletes to shows, so the promoters give his athletes better placings.Hany, over supplements his athletes, uses way to much Cytradren, and fails most of the time.
All his guys looked very drugged, overly drugged.Plus that FST -7, is a bunch of bullshit!!!
FUCKING.Skinny Twink-7" for the 7" pipe he wants in his mouth.Complete idiot.
Balding short delusional lil Fuc$%$ who walks around bodybuilding shows like he is the president.
He is 4'11" midget and stubby, with cheesy ass Goatee so his mouth looks like a snatch for his lover.
I dont see him with any girls, so he proobably a muscle worshiper.Brandon Curry probably caught wind of the perverted lil man wanting to see him in person,lol.So he could rub oil all over Brandon Currys big muscular black body.He just had to do it in person, because he needed to see him and feel him.Without his gf around.
Everybody else like Chris Aceto can dial people in by pics and the internet, but Hany like to take the "hands on "approach.He really like to see and feel how big and hard his athletes are.I think thats how he got his name, ohhhhh Hooaaannnneeyyy.Hany is Honey with a lil slang to it  lol.He is one weird as mofo.Why does a short middle aged man like to hang out with and surround himself with muscular men, when he isnt muscular himself? Can you say schome?

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2010, 05:42:21 AM »
Hany is a complete idiot, he is terrible.He is about ad dependable as a broken clock.I seen him work with Troy Alves, and he made Troy Look Terrible.He just recently worked with Manny Torres, until this year.Last year he worked with Hany and Bombed, this time on his own and some of my help he placed top 3.
Hany, Bombed with Trey Brewer, He bombed with Brandon Ray, he bombed with Chris Cook, and he bombed with Jerome Ferguson.The only reason some guys use him is because he brings alot fo athletes to shows, so the promoters give his athletes better placings.Hany, over supplements his athletes, uses way to much Cytradren, and fails most of the time.
All his guys looked very drugged, overly drugged.Plus that FST -7, is a bunch of bullshit!!!
FUCKING.Skinny Twink-7" for the 7" pipe he wants in his mouth.Complete idiot.
Balding short delusional lil Fuc$%$ who walks around bodybuilding shows like he is the president.
He is 4'11" midget and stubby, with cheesy ass Goatee so his mouth looks like a snatch for his lover.
I dont see him with any girls, so he proobably a muscle worshiper.Brandon Curry probably caught wind of the perverted lil man wanting to see him in person,lol.So he could rub oil all over Brandon Currys big muscular black body.He just had to do it in person, because he needed to see him and feel him.Without his gf around.
Everybody else like Chris Aceto can dial people in by pics and the internet, but Hany like to take the "hands on "approach.He really like to see and feel how big and hard his athletes are.I think thats how he got his name, ohhhhh Hooaaannnneeyyy.Hany is Honey with a lil slang to it  lol.He is one weird as mofo.Why does a short middle aged man like to hang out with and surround himself with muscular men, when he isnt muscular himself? Can you say schome?
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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2010, 06:27:04 AM »
could someone explain how hany ramrod accumulate all this clout in the industry.............lik e, at what point did he becoem popular, and what are his credentials

he is a fat little troll, doesnt look like a bodybuilder...........so who was he that all of a sudden people started listening to his prep philosophies, and labeled him  "guru"



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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2010, 09:47:25 PM »
Hany is a complete idiot, he is terrible.He is about ad dependable as a broken clock.I seen him work with Troy Alves, and he made Troy Look Terrible.He just recently worked with Manny Torres, until this year.Last year he worked with Hany and Bombed, this time on his own and some of my help he placed top 3.
Hany, Bombed with Trey Brewer, He bombed with Brandon Ray, he bombed with Chris Cook, and he bombed with Jerome Ferguson.The only reason some guys use him is because he brings alot fo athletes to shows, so the promoters give his athletes better placings.Hany, over supplements his athletes, uses way to much Cytradren, and fails most of the time.
All his guys looked very drugged, overly drugged.Plus that FST -7, is a bunch of bullshit!!!
FUCKING.Skinny Twink-7" for the 7" pipe he wants in his mouth.Complete idiot.
Balding short delusional lil Fuc$%$ who walks around bodybuilding shows like he is the president.
He is 4'11" midget and stubby, with cheesy ass Goatee so his mouth looks like a snatch for his lover.
I dont see him with any girls, so he proobably a muscle worshiper.Brandon Curry probably caught wind of the perverted lil man wanting to see him in person,lol.So he could rub oil all over Brandon Currys big muscular black body.He just had to do it in person, because he needed to see him and feel him.Without his gf around.
Everybody else like Chris Aceto can dial people in by pics and the internet, but Hany like to take the "hands on "approach.He really like to see and feel how big and hard his athletes are.I think thats how he got his name, ohhhhh Hooaaannnneeyyy.Hany is Honey with a lil slang to it  lol.He is one weird as mofo.Why does a short middle aged man like to hang out with and surround himself with muscular men, when he isnt muscular himself? Can you say schome?

GetItOnNY,
I think you should get your facts straight before you open your ignorant mouth.
Fact #1: Hany did not work with Manny Torres last year and I am sure if Manny heard you talking like this about Hany he would rip you an new one.
Fact #2: Hany NEVER worked with Jerome Ferguson 
Fact#3: Branden Ray worked with Hany as a facade, he was listening to Kevin Levrone the whole time and was eating jello backstage at National's when one of Hany's clients busted him and asked if Hany told him to eat that?  And the answer is NO, Hany did not have him carb up on Jello, who the fuck does that anyway???
Fact #4:  Troy Alves tied for 7th when he worked with Hany for the Olympia (that's right top 10 at the Motherfuckin Olympia)
Fact #5: Chris Cook won the superheavies working with Hany but did not get his card there, so how exactly did Hany "bomb" with Chris????
Fact#6: Trey looked better than he had after winning the Excal once he started working with Hany.... Trey still had a lot of fixing to do with his physique after the horrible advice he got from his prior trainers who told him to gain a bunch of weight in the off-season then having to diet all his muscle away to get in shape

Last thing, you care way too much about Hany's appearance and personal life...  I think that is fucking creepy.  When you are as successful and good as Hany is I guess haters and jealous motherfuckers like you just come with the territory.

Hany has had overall after overall winners at the USAs and Nationals for the past I don't know how many years, not to mention he is the current title holder for the 202 Mr. Olympia champ (Kevin English)and the Mr. Olympia champ (Jay Cutler).... I can go on and on about his accolades but I'd be wasting my breath and time on your pea sized brain. Fucking TROLL. Get a fucking JOB.

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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2010, 10:20:57 PM »
GetItOnNY,
I think you should get your facts straight before you open your ignorant mouth.
Fact #1: Hany did not work with Manny Torres last year and I am sure if Manny heard you talking like this about Hany he would rip you an new one.
Fact #2: Hany NEVER worked with Jerome Ferguson 
Fact#3: Branden Ray worked with Hany as a facade, he was listening to Kevin Levrone the whole time and was eating jello backstage at National's when one of Hany's clients busted him and asked if Hany told him to eat that?  And the answer is NO, Hany did not have him carb up on Jello, who the fuck does that anyway???
Fact #4:  Troy Alves tied for 7th when he worked with Hany for the Olympia (that's right top 10 at the Motherfuckin Olympia)
Fact #5: Chris Cook won the superheavies working with Hany but did not get his card there, so how exactly did Hany "bomb" with Chris????
Fact#6: Trey looked better than he had after winning the Excal once he started working with Hany.... Trey still had a lot of fixing to do with his physique after the horrible advice he got from his prior trainers who told him to gain a bunch of weight in the off-season then having to diet all his muscle away to get in shape

Last thing, you care way too much about Hany's appearance and personal life...  I think that is fucking creepy.  When you are as successful and good as Hany is I guess haters and jealous motherfuckers like you just come with the territory.

Hany has had overall after overall winners at the USAs and Nationals for the past I don't know how many years, not to mention he is the current title holder for the 202 Mr. Olympia champ (Kevin English)and the Mr. Olympia champ (Jay Cutler).... I can go on and on about his accolades but I'd be wasting my breath and time on your pea sized brain. Fucking TROLL. Get a fucking JOB.

Thanks Mr. Ramrod but this ebony molehill of muscle has it under control.
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Re: GH15 - WTF with Gurus?
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2010, 05:02:07 AM »
the only purpose of a guru is to advise you on your drug regime.  The training strategies are bullshit.  Everyone knows how to train especially if you made it on your own to the pros or top amateur event in the first place.