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When Rights Make Wrongs
« on: August 18, 2010, 05:19:09 AM »
When Rights Make Wrongs
By Ralph Peters
www.realclearpolitics.co m


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Well-meaning Westerners are quick to point out that jihad doesn't have to be violent. That's true. Jihad expands Islam's domain by any means available.

The 13-story mosque complex to be built a home-run's length from Ground Zero is jihad--not a gesture to promote inter-faith tolerance.

We are also told that we must be sensitive to the feelings of Muslims. This, too, is true. But isn't it equally true that Muslims should be sensitive to non-Muslims?

Would it not be wise and virtuous to respect the memory of our dead, the emotions of victims' families, and the sanctity with which so many Americans imbue Ground Zero?

Is the establishment media correct that the two-thirds of Americans opposed to a mega-mosque complex at that site are bigots? Or is willful insensitivity-even gloating-at play on the side of Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, the Cordoba Initiative's point-man on this project?

Finally, we are told-daily-that those behind the planned facility have the legal right to build. This, too, is irrefutably true.

But no one has questioned the legal right to construct this mosque complex. Far more than a First Amendment issue, this is a question of wise judgment, of good citizenship, of calculated insult and deep emotion.

Social peace requires reciprocity. Each day, each one of us chooses not to do many things that would be legal but offensive to those around us. Even in our permissive society, restraint keeps the peace.
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Imam Rauf is not being a good citizen. He is not "building bridges," but exploiting the arrogance of our cultural elite toward their fellow citizens. He is an exuberantly divisive figure, not a healer.

The glaring failure of our media has been their unwillingness to question the Cordoba Initiative with the same rigor they apply to the mosque's opponents: Who will fund the mosque complex? Why should so grandiose a project be built so far from the center of mass of New York's Muslim communities? Why scorn out of hand Governor Patterson's remarkably generous offer of free state land elsewhere in New York City?

The key to unlocking the Cordoba Initiative's secrets may lie in the funding. Why should Imam Rauf-so vocal in other regards-play coy about who will pay the center's bills (estimated at a minimum of a $100 million)?

The money probably will come, directly or indirectly, from Saudi Arabia and Persian Gulf states. If that's the case, it suggests divisive purposes. From Africa through Asia, I've seen Wahhabi "charity" at work. Invariably, the Saudi purpose in funding religious schools and mosques abroad (including in the US) has been to prevent Muslims from integrating into majority non-Muslim societies.

What if the purpose of the Cordoba Center is to provoke, to alienate non-Muslim and Muslim Americans from one another? That certainly would explain Imam Rauf's intransigence when it comes to insisting that his chosen site is the only acceptable site.

Are the intended victims of this travesty our Muslim fellow citizens, so many of whom are integrating successfully? Is the Cordoba Initiative really about aggravating social divisions? How does it serve our society for our media to refuse to ask such questions?

Even the use of the name "Cordoba" is brilliantly cynical. To Atlantis-will-rise-again! Leftists, medieval Cordoba, in Spain, is a fairy-tale example of Muslims, Christians and Jews living together amicably in a social compact called the convivencia.

What's left out of the fable is that Christian and Jews were distinctly second-class members of society heavily taxed for their faiths and subject to the whims of Muslim rulers. After a brief cultural flowering, Cordoba's rulers for centuries were Islamist fanatics from North Africa.

One cannot help but suspect that Imam Rauf and his backers are mocking us, gleefully turning our Constitution against us, and exploiting a media terrified of being accused of bigotry.

Last, but not least, this Ground-Zero mosque complex would be a symbol-not of reconciliation and tolerance, but of the greatest triumph of violent jihad in three centuries: 9/11.

Islam's ghazis-religious warriors--have always understood symbols. That's why the hijackers struck the Twin Towers, not a housing project. This mega-mosque complex will be interpreted by hardline fanatics as a monument to their 9/11 "victory."

Imam Rauf and his backers have every legal right to build their extravagant Islamic center within the lethal radius of Ground Zero. But the rest of us have the right to question why they insist on doing so.

Ralph Peters' latest book is "Endless War."


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Great article and exactly the points everyone against this have been making. 

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2010, 05:20:18 AM »

But no one has questioned the legal right to construct this mosque complex. Far more than a First Amendment issue, this is a question of wise judgment, of good citizenship, of calculated insult and deep emotion.

Social peace requires reciprocity. Each day, each one of us chooses not to do many things that would be legal but offensive to those around us. Even in our permissive society, restraint keeps the peace.
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Why is this so hard for many of you grasp? 

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2010, 05:39:16 AM »
33, I wonder how many of the 1st Amend. rights activists would have felt the same if this happened when Bush was in office?  He would have been villified, and rightly so, yet they don't see the double standard.  And any of them who says they would have given Bush a pass on this is a flat-out liar that I would gladly tell to their face.


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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2010, 05:44:17 AM »
33, I wonder how many of the 1st Amend. rights activists would have felt the same if this happened when Bush was in office?  He would have been villified, and rightly so, yet they don't see the double standard.  And any of them who says they would have given Bush a pass on this is a flat-out liar that I would gladly tell to their face.



Remember when Bush tried to get Dubai Ports to take over management over the ports?  Everyone went nuts and the issue was dropped. 

How quickly the left likes to forget.   

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2010, 06:02:03 AM »
six major ports in the U.S. compared to a community center ,are you saying thats the same.why don't you tell us you were in favor of that deal :D :D :D:D

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 06:05:40 AM »
six major ports in the U.S. compared to a community center ,are you saying thats the same.why don't you tell us you were in favor of that deal :D :D :D:D

I thought it was appaulling. 

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2010, 06:08:09 AM »
how about the comparison

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2010, 06:11:24 AM »
how about the comparison

Again, not everything can be classified into hyper techincal comparisons etc.  Certain things just aint right to the sensibilities of normal thinking people. 

Sort of like the Westboro Baptist mob.  Sure they have a techincal legal right to do what they do, but it still sucks and worthy of revulsion and condemnation, same with this mosque and the insistence of the Imam placing it so close to the spot where 3,000 people were brutually murdered in the name of Islam.   

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2010, 06:11:37 AM »
Far more than a First Amendment issue, this is a question of wise judgment, of good citizenship, of calculated insult and deep emotion.


See.... as much as putting that there is a terrible idea... I have a hard time believing (as the author states) that "deep emotion" trumps the 1st amendment.

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2010, 07:29:17 AM »
Social peace requires reciprocity.

IMO, that is the biggest indication of an ulterior agenda.

They know the concerns & outrage this has sparked with the American people.
There is no need for another mosque - much less one of this magnitude in this location.
And, they have/had other generous building options that would prove less offensive to roughly 70% of Americans.

Only an imbecile would believe that the purpose of this mosque project is to improve peace relations.
The reason this comes across as one big middle finger to the U.S. is because, based on the evidence, there's no other reasonable explanation.
When not even the muslims muslim sympathizers America haters certain posters here can bullshit a pseudo-explanation to defend the decision to build this atrocity, you know it's bad.

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2010, 07:39:29 AM »
From a PR stand point, the Imam and Bloomberg  have bungled this royally. 

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2010, 08:34:15 AM »
The mere notion is a bungled mess, and has been from the start.

They knew the resentment this would generate, and the more we oppose it, the greater a "victory" it will be for them to erect it.
It has absolutely nothing to do with peace relations.


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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2010, 08:48:56 AM »
May the mosque be quickly built so this childish bickering can come to an end.....
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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2010, 08:51:47 AM »
May the mosque be quickly built so this childish bickering can come to an end.....

Ha ha ha.  You are kidding right?    If these are union workers in NYC, they move a snails' pace regardless of what they are building and will milk this thing dry in cost over runs, change orders, extra work claims, workers comp fraud, etc. 

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2010, 09:13:48 AM »
Ha ha ha.  You are kidding right?    If these are union workers in NYC, they move a snails' pace regardless of what they are building and will milk this thing dry in cost over runs, change orders, extra work claims, workers comp fraud, etc. 

Enter ARABS ONLY as workers.....watch how fast it rises.

And if there is an issue with Arab construction workers...enter MEXICANS...
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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2010, 09:15:16 AM »
Enter ARABS ONLY as workers.....watch how fast it rises.

And if there is an issue with Arab construction workers...enter MEXICANS...

Not going to happen.  The unions will have the big rat out there, people marching, placards, bull horns etc.   

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2010, 09:24:46 AM »
I am willing to bet this Mosque will never be built at that location. The Democrats know now that if they support it, they will face certain doom in the polls. With the conservatives and the democrats against it, you will see certain "technicalities" mysteriously arise that will prevent it from being built. Just the same way, no headquarters for the white supremacist group Stormfront would ever be allowed to be built next to New York's Holocaust Museum. It's been a terrible idea from the beginning.

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2010, 09:39:27 AM »
Far more than a First Amendment issue, this is a question of wise judgment, of good citizenship, of calculated insult and deep emotion.


See.... as much as putting that there is a terrible idea... I have a hard time believing (as the author states) that "deep emotion" trumps the 1st amendment.

I'm still waiting for you to answer Kazan's question about where in the first amendment it allows for people to build a house of worship anytime and anywhere they feel like.

Don't worry, I'll keep waiting as you're now coming up on 2 weeks of ignoring that.

May the mosque be quickly built so this childish bickering can come to an end.....

You're not American and you're a Muslim. In short, your view means dick and I'm at a loss as to why you're even interjecting your opinion on this topic.

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2010, 10:00:08 AM »
SAMSON, this discussion is reserved for living things without tails that wear clothing instead of depending on fur. Clearly you don't meet the necessary criteria. I will let you know when the discussion is truly an open forum for all different species.

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Re: When Rights Make Wrongs
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2010, 12:31:18 PM »
You guys should stop picking on Sam.
Now all of her friends who share her views & beliefs are going to show up & spam the thread…