Cycles of the 80s and 90 of pros and NPC gents...GH15 or BFG

[Wiggs]

BFG or GH15,

What were these guys running in the late 80s and 90s and at what dosages?
When Trevor Smith was alive (PIP) his site had an article with old cycles from the 80s and 90s.

[MORTALCOIL]

I'd guess that Benazziza and Yates' cycles were a drastic change from whatever was going on before. I on't know if it has changed that much since then: they probably do more now but not sure it's that different.

[Schmoe Buster]

bump for BFG and GH15 answers

[~UN_$ung~]

i'd doubt the steroid dosages were much different...........its the insulin and growth hormone that changed things around that time

[benchmstr]

indeed....the didnt even have cell-tech, or nitro-tech!!!!.....how could they survive?!?!??!??

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[gib]

I can tell you - it was basically test, deca, and dbol. These were the core compounds anyhow.

Test and deca moderate dosages - dbol quite high - 70-100mg a day.

[Schmoe Buster]

Didnt Anadrol become popular in the 80's?

[nder98]

i'd doubt the steroid dosages were much different...........its the insulin and growth hormone that changed things around that time

Bingo and IGF also..

[~UN_$ung~]

I can tell you - it was basically test, deca, and dbol. These were the core compounds anyhow.

Test and deca moderate dosages - dbol quite high - 70-100mg a day.

no, you are wrong, that was in the 70s


by the 80s they had a whole plethora of steroids


parabolon, masteron, winstrol, halotestin, anadrol, ect....

[MORTALCOIL]

no, you are wrong, that was in the 70s


by the 80s they had a whole plethora of steroids


parabolon, masteron, winstrol, halotestin, anadrol, ect....

I guess you're right about Gh and 'slin being the biggest "improvements". But did that start in the '80s? Gaspari maybe? I know they say Belknapp being diabetic was one of the first ones to figure out what 'slin could do. I heard (but that's just heresay) that Dorian used a lot of different type of steroids and would alternate between them. Depending on what, I don't know.

[gib]

no, you are wrong, that was in the 70s


by the 80s they had a whole plethora of steroids


parabolon, masteron, winstrol, halotestin, anadrol, ect....

Yes, you are right - those were all around, and others too.

I am just talking about the basics, but of course guys were adding these, and anything else they could.

[~UN_$ung~]

I guess you're right about Gh and 'slin being the biggest "improvements". But did that start in the '80s? Gaspari maybe? I know they say Belknapp being diabetic was one of the first ones to figure out what 'slin could do. I heard (but that's just heresay) that Dorian used a lot of different type of steroids and would alternate between them. Depending on what, I don't know.

there is a lot of myth and mystery surrounding when exactly GH came on the scene..........you know, some guy heard from a guy that arnold and franco used to murder homeless boys under the venice pier and extract their pituitary glands and eat them.

but seriously, around the mid 80s like 84sih there was gh on the scene that was actually extracted from cadavers, bob paris has spoken that he was doing gh by around that time


but there are rumors that arnold had access to a cruder version of growth hormone extracted from rhesus monkeys or something as early as the late 70s

but, you can never be all that sure






slin is equally as ambiguous, tim belknap claims he was first, but that he suspect others were already experimenting around that time in the late 80s or whatever. i know less about when insulin hit the scene heavy, but you can definitely see it in the pro physiques, lee haney probably didnt use it at all, but in that year after his first O , whne dorian gained all that weight, would surely be attributed to insulin

[Van_Bilderass]

no, you are wrong, that was in the 70s


by the 80s they had a whole plethora of steroids


parabolon, masteron, winstrol, halotestin, anadrol, ect....

All steroids now used were developed by the 60s pretty much. And certainly in the 60s and 70s there were more steroids on the legit market than now. New steroid development stopped a long long time ago. There was/is no incentive due to political climate.

[Captain Equipoise]

Legit tren and winstrol, not this underground shit that's around now, real parabolan accurately dosed, even the difference in the quality of winstrol in the last 10 years has been astonishing, everything now is watered down chinese garbage..unless you're willing to pay the insane prices for legit European human grade from france, spain, greece, etc.

[Playboy]

Legit tren and winstrol, not this underground shit that's around now, real parabolan accurately dosed, even the difference in the quality of winstrol in the last 10 years has been astonishing, everything now is watered down chinese garbage..unless you're willing to pay the insane prices for legit European human grade from france, spain, greece, etc.

Remember the real French Parabolin? It came in ampules and it had a sent to it. That was the real deal. IMO the gas now is SHIT.

[jon cole]

Remember the real French Parabolin? It came in ampules and it had a sent to it. That was the real deal. IMO the gas now is SHIT.

I'm french and a guy at the gym always speak about parabolan, it's was only 76 mg of trenbolone, but real trenbolone.

He always speak how this stuff was wonderful, back in the 90'sss his common stack was 500mg of testoviron and 3 para (226 mg only)a week, he say that the stuff start working on week 3/4, it was insane, the guy was 115 kg with abs with only this stack, using for 8/10 week and bridging for 4 week with primobolan (300mg e.w) clen and hgc for 4 week.

He say that test E - para and primo is the only thing you need.


He speaks about parabolan with nostalgie, once he use tren garbage in 10 ml vial, he say it's pure shit.

During off season he used test E and real deca with thai.
only 500 of testoviron with 400 of extraboline and 30 mg of thai dbol.


gH15 say the truth when he speaks about the power of HG gear.
Today when you see the dose that some guy are using i highly doubt about the effectiveness of their gear, seriously.

[Meso_z]

I'm french and a guy at the gym always speak about parabolan, it's was only 76 mg of trenbolone, but real trenbolone.

He always speak how this stuff was wonderful, back in the 90'sss his common stack was 500mg of testoviron and 3 para (226 mg only)a week, he say that the stuff start working on week 3/4, it was insane, the guy was 115 kg with abs with only this stack, using for 8/10 week and bridging for 4 week with primobolan (300mg e.w) clen and hgc for 4 week.

He say that test E - para and primo is the only thing you need.


He speaks about parabolan with nostalgie, once he use tren garbage in 10 ml vial, he say it's pure shit.

During off season he used test E and real deca with thai.
only 500 of testoviron with 400 of extraboline and 30 mg of thai dbol.


gH15 say the truth when he speaks about the power of HG gear.
Today when you see the dose that some guy are using i highly doubt about the effectiveness of their gear, seriously.

^this...

ive heard "stories" too about that hg parabolan, from "negma" if i remember correctly..potent stuff

[Captain Equipoise]

Remember the real French Parabolin? It came in ampules and it had a sent to it. That was the real deal. IMO the gas now is SHIT.

That was the REAL gold.. we used to get our Equipoise, Clen (ventipulmin pump) and Winstrol from the vet at woodbine racetrack the eq and winny were 50cc jugs from upjohn, now THAT was a cycle!

I don't care what anybody says no UG lab will ever be close to legit properly dosed HG, the quality control is a joke in comparison, the pfizer test cyp we can get, 200mg (one shot) is equivalent to like 600mg of UG garbage test.

You can literally do 300mg a week and blow up 30lbs. UG labs killed the whole scene

[BFG]

dosages of hormones were pretty much the same as they are now, maybe a bit less since on average there tends to be an escalation of dosages over the times. Basically the trend is that the guys leading the pack in every decade are FOR THE MOST PART genetically very gifted when it comes to androgen receptor reponse. Then you have everybody else who cannot accept that their genetic makeup for steroid hormone binding isnt as sensitive so they escalate the dosages. every year, every decade they go slightly higher and higher since they pass along info to the next generation (i.e. "well, the magic REALLY started to happen at 5 grams of test" so some guy decides to try 5.5, etc etc).

insulin, gh, igf and to a smaller degree pge2, prostoglandins and mgf changed bodybuilding. Most guys were pretty conserative (in bodybuilding terms) with the gh until Yates showed up, then it was game on. Coleman eventually ushered in a new era of hyperdosing - especially peptides and slin.

one of the most profound differences has already been mentioned...legit negma parabolan. Probably one of the most effetive steroid hormones of all time. Now the only guys who get anything close to parabolan quality tren are IFBB pros buying it from private labs ran or associated with their gurus.

[benchmstr]

That was the REAL gold.. we used to get our Equipoise, Clen (ventipulmin pump) and Winstrol from the vet at woodbine racetrack the eq and winny were 50cc jugs from upjohn, now THAT was a cycle!

I don't care what anybody says no UG lab will ever be close to legit properly dosed HG, the quality control is a joke in comparison, the pfizer test cyp we can get, 200mg (one shot) is equivalent to like 600mg of UG garbage test.

You can literally do 300mg a week and blow up 30lbs. UG labs killed the whole scene

i used to get tren from a UG that would match tren.......but i paid handsomely for it....shit wasn't cheap at all...

you sure those EQ's werent 75 or 76mg?

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[Fallsview]

When the contests used to come through here, I had a pro stay with the family (no homo).  1991-93,  I remember getting him three bottles of Steris Test Suspension which he took all in one day.  If I remember correctly, 20cc per bottle at 100mg per cc.  I remember asking him how much he took getting ready for a contest-5-9 grams of gear but he also stated in the off season he really didn't count. 

[Wiggs]

When the contests used to come through here, I had a pro stay with the family (no homo).  1991-93,  I remember getting him three bottles of Steris Test Suspension which he took all in one day.  If I remember correctly, 20cc per bottle at 100mg per cc.  I remember asking him how much he took getting ready for a contest-5-9 grams of gear but he also stated in the off season he really didn't count. 

  Good God

[LurkyLurker]

When the contests used to come through here, I had a pro stay with the family (no homo).  1991-93,  I remember getting him three bottles of Steris Test Suspension which he took all in one day.  If I remember correctly, 20cc per bottle at 100mg per cc.  I remember asking him how much he took getting ready for a contest-5-9 grams of gear but he also stated in the off season he really didn't count. 

You're talking about the Niagra Falls Classic and Montreal Pro?

[jude2]

Back in the 80's guys used half the dosage of today. The reason is simple the drugs were real, not underdosed or fake. The experts should know this.

[jon cole]

^this...

ive heard "stories" too about that hg parabolan, from "negma" if i remember correctly..potent stuff

Yes negma lab you're correct.
It cost 50 francs at the time for one amp (7 euros).

Guy also speak about "boldebal H" from ilium, real stuff, today guy claim they take 600/800 of boldone each week,

oh god, back in the day with 200/250 ml/week vein were appearing in the whole body of the guy, guy were smelling horse, especially one guy, that was funny, today with 600 of "British fake hospital boldone" that didn't happen ...

Sam thing for trenbolone acetate, guy were using vial of 50ml of "Finaject" (intravet) they bought to a farmer but stuff was too potent, a guy was using 50 mg tren ace e.d with 50 mg of winstrol, in 4 week BOOMM you though it was another guy you was seeing, but as he told us he was in the fourth dimension it was too strong for him...

Real gear were widely available, they always speak about the dealer, "you call him the day before he come tomorrow with a 100 liter trash bag full of gear.."