Who here trains to failure and who does not?

[Boost]

I train every bodypart to failure EVERY DAY

1 set per bodypart. All out. 2 workouts, one morning, one evening.

All bodyweight exercises also. Works great.

[Evo]

I train to failure on the last set of nearly all exercises....pretty much Dorian Yates style; 1-3 warm ups followed by one all out set.

[Fatpanda]

I train every bodypart to faliure EVERY DAY

1 set per bodypart. All out. 2 workouts, one morning, one evening.

All bodyweight excersises also. Works great.

hahahahaha epic fail

and i dont mean your sets

[Boost]

hahahahaha epic fail

and i dont mean your sets

spelling Nazi 

[Fatpanda]

spelling Nazi 

hahaha i was talking about ur workout - not your spelling ( poor as it is)

[tbombz]

if i train to failure the rest of my workout is fucked- it will kill my strength and cause a huge , tight, burning pump that doesnt allow heavy weight or high reps.  if i stop short of failure i can lift more weight, do more sets, more reps, my workout is 3-4 times longer with weights i only would only use during that one failure set othwerwise.

[Captain Equipoise]

if i train to failure the rest of my workout is fucked- it will kill my strength and cause a huge , tight, burning pump that doesnt allow heavy weight or high reps.  if i stop short of failure i can lift more weight, do more sets, more reps, my workout is 3-4 times longer with weights i only would only use during that one failure set othwerwise.

Training to failure works best with a workout partner and with lots of drop sets! I swear drop sets make the difference between looking like a bodybuilder and looking like a permabuilker.

[benchmstr]

if i train to failure the rest of my workout is fucked- it will kill my strength and cause a huge , tight, burning pump that doesnt allow heavy weight or high reps.  if i stop short of failure i can lift more weight, do more sets, more reps, my workout is 3-4 times longer with weights i only would only use during that one failure set othwerwise.

its cause you likely workout like a female....remember, it takes more than heavy weights to do this shit right....

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[Van_Bilderass]

Something I just thought of: anyone ever see someone train to failure on the angled leg press? That is, the person actually missing his last rep? I seriously can't recall ever seeing it.

Failure is such such a subjective term. One persons failure is where another could have squeezed out another 1-2 reps, even being of equal strength. One person who always looked like he really squeezed everything out of his sets is Rich Gaspari, just from the short clips I've seen of him training. There's some new clips on MD where he trains and he looks like someone whose "failure" point is higher than most.

There can also be a 100% difference in how taxing the last possible rep on a set is, depending on how long you had to really strain for example. And of course, rope pushdowns to failure aren't very taxing whereas a deadlift 1-2 reps from failure can be a 1000% more taxing.

What matters is progress. Load and/or reps with same load. Nothing special happens at the failure point, unlike what Mentzer claimed.

[benchmstr]

Something I just thought of: anyone ever see someone train to failure on the angled leg press? That is, the person actually missing his last rep? I seriously can't recall ever seeing it.

Failure is such such a subjective term. One persons failure is where another could have squeezed out another 1-2 reps, even being of equal strength. One person who always looked like he really squeezed everything out of his sets is Rich Gaspari, just from the short clips I've seen of him training. There's some new clips on MD where he trains and he looks like someone whose "failure" point is higher than most.

There can also be a 100% difference in how taxing the last possible rep on a set is, depending on how long you had to really strain for example. And of course, rope pushdowns to failure aren't very taxing whereas a deadlift 1-2 reps from failure can be a 1000% more taxing.

What matters is progress. Load and/or reps with same load. Nothing special happens at the failure point, unlike what Mentzer claimed.

i have done that before.......not a good feeling...

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[tonymctones]

i have done that before.......not a good feeling...

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LOL ive thrown my back out on a leg press machine...talk about feeling like a puss 

[benchmstr]

LOL ive thrown my back out on a leg press machine...talk about feeling like a puss 

me and my training partner have had to carry each other outside before because of shit like this.......passing out at the gym should not be frowned upon GOLDS!!!!!.....bunch of assholes at that place....a man cant even pass out at the gym anymore...

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[tbombz]

BOOM

What matters is progress. Load and/or reps with same load. Nothing special happens at the failure point, unlike what Mentzer claimed.

[keanu]

if i train to failure the rest of my workout is fucked- it will kill my strength and cause a huge , tight, burning pump that doesnt allow heavy weight or high reps.  if i stop short of failure i can lift more weight, do more sets, more reps, my workout is 3-4 times longer with weights i only would only use during that one failure set othwerwise.

  How long are your sets time wise? Odd how training to failure would drain you so badly.

[Hulkotron]

What matters is progress. Load and/or reps with same load. Nothing special happens at the failure point, unlike what Mentzer claimed.

I think so too.  I have a target number of reps in mind for every set, if I reach it I stop.  Sometimes this means going to failure, sometimes not.  If I get stuck on the same weight/reps for a while I get discouraged so I like being able to do one more rep or five more lbs or whatever each workout.

This was six months ago, I'm a little bigger now but not much (pic)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=318324.msg4563800#msg4563800

[Master Blaster]

Failure is such such a subjective term. One persons failure is where another could have squeezed out another 1-2 reps, even being of equal strength.

Arnold talked bout going past the "pain barrier" and doing those last few reps that are so fucking painfull and/or hard.

[tbombz]

there is only percieved failure, true failure is impossible. when you fail is mostly determined by muscle size/strength/stamina, and then muscle glycogen levels, and of course a previously exhausted muscle will not be as strong as a fresh one. outside of those determining factors is the mental factor, the reason why there is only percieved failure. the strength potential in your muscles is basically limitless. m=mc2 after all..

[BIG ACH]

I train to failure... Not EVERY set, but ALMOST every set!  My work out are usually 25-30 sets per bodypart!

[benchmstr]

BOOM

wow...so you found the secret?....why arent you a coach?....or training at the olympic center?...oh, thats right, you are close minded and talk out of your ass...

again...this shit isnt set in stone....you think a lot about this stuff, but you never expand your mind to other ideas.....your tunnel vision will be your crutch, and downfall...

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[JP_RC]

I train to failure... Not EVERY set, but ALMOST every set!  My work out are usually 25-30 sets per bodypart!

That's how it should be: high volume and high intensity. All this Mentzer/HIT training is crap.

[Fatpanda]

That's how it should be: high volume and high intensity. All this Mentzer/HIT training is crap.

nonsense.

[JP_RC]

nonsense.

Well, if you like it that's fine, but in reality its all about high volume and high intensity.

In my experience low volume training is the worst of all and it works only for beginners.

[Fatpanda]

Well, if you like it that's fine, but in reality its all about high volume and high intensity.

In my experience low volume training is the worst of all and it works only for beginners.

i disagree - and so does science.

does high volume, high intensity work - yes certainly.

it works even better with steroid users.

however is it optimal or efficient - no

[hazbin]

i trained to failure for years and it worked great. i finally became one!!!

[tbombz]

wow...so you found the secret?....why arent you a coach?....or training at the olympic center?...oh, thats right, you are close minded and talk out of your ass...

again...this shit isnt set in stone....you think a lot about this stuff, but you never expand your mind to other ideas.....your tunnel vision will be your crutch, and downfall...

bench

lmao @ how much im in your head..  what exactly are you bitching about anyways??  muscles respond to increased workload, that means more reps with the same weight or equal reps with more weight. nothing complicated about that.