Mr Olympia 1992 screenshots: Dorian, Levrone, Labrada and Ray

[Hulkster]

I see ND is totally being embarassed on this thread as always.

some things never change..

notice how when ever he is getting destroyed by fellow getbiggers, he breaks out the quotes and avoids all visual comparisons?

did the same thing with dorian vs ronnie.

typical ND. runs from real life. posts quotes that are completely irrelevant because like dorian vs ronnie, shawn peaked after labrada left, but did kick his inferior ass in 93, which despite ND's bullshit claims, was the best each had looked to date.

[Hulkster]

There are real facts and then ones people try and erase and claim otherwise. Shawn didn't ' almost ' beat Dorian in 1994 not on paper and not in reality only in the fanciful world of misinformed ignorant fanboys on the internet was Shawn ' almost ' beating Dorian in 1994 because in fact Shawn was gifted second place over Kevin Levrone who he was actually behind in points after the prejudging , Shawn was NO WHERE near Dorian in 1994 only misinformed ignorant people claim otherwise

so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere? LOL

read the last line of musclemags contest review of 94. its been posted on the truce thread many times.

Johnny believed Shawn should have won. just like everyone else.

[Hulkster]

With you on this one Hulkster... Lee was small even in comparison to "small guys" from the late 70's/early 80's: Danny Padilla and Mohammed Makkaway... Shawn was vastly superior in almost all aspects of his physique. Sure, Labrada had great presentation, but so did Porter Cotrel and that won him some higher placings too at ONE POINT in his career. Labrada was the leftovers from the OLD generation. Ray was the new and improved guy who began in the old generation, but was bread still in the oven. When Shawn hit his stride, he was one of, if not the best of all time. Labrada was just too diminutive. TOO underwhelming. Classic lines or not, he carried NO size and never even gave the illusion that he did. Something Ray did VERY WELL at next to MUCH bigger guys. Labrada was sinking in 1993 and could never hang with the big boys after that and he KNEW IT. Hence his retirement.

well said. I am not actually surprised that ND is arguing to the death what no one else agrees with: that Flea was better at their bests


he has already demonstrated that he has absolutely no fucking clue how to assess physiques (after all, he is clueless enough to insist dorian was better than ronnie.. )

so this comes as no surprise to anyone..

[Grape Ape]

so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere? LOL

read the last line of musclemags contest review of 94. its been posted on the truce thread many times.

Johnny believed Shawn should have won. just like everyone else.

I followed the "sport" in the 90s, and most people I knew thought that Johnny Fitness was easily the worst of the worst.  Seriously, read some of his stuff.  The guy was a complete tool.

His name alone is cringe worthy.

I don't care about the 94 argument, but to describe that guy as some sort of guru is ridiculous.  I read probably ever article he wrote in the 90s, so I can tell you I'm not commenting based on the article you're describing.

[jaejonna]

Lee looks unbelievable there. I'm a fan of Ray's physique but i think Lee has a better structure and lines.

Me too

[NarcissisticDeity]

I see ND is totally being embarassed on this thread as always.

some things never change..

notice how when ever he is getting destroyed by fellow getbiggers, he breaks out the quotes and avoids all visual comparisons?

did the same thing with dorian vs ronnie.

typical ND. runs from real life. posts quotes that are completely irrelevant because like dorian vs ronnie, shawn peaked after labrada left, but did kick his inferior ass in 93, which despite ND's bullshit claims, was the best each had looked to date.

meltdown

continue begging for anyone to agree with you 

[NarcissisticDeity]

so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere? LOL

read the last line of musclemags contest review of 94. its been posted on the truce thread many times.

Johnny believed Shawn should have won. just like everyone else.

' renowned ' LMMFAO oh boy  you just keep digging yourself in a deeper and deeper hole.

I've read the line of MuscleMag's coverage the one you keep ignoring the one that said Dorian was lucky but was NOT handed out a gift , you think ' Johnny Fitness ' changes that? you think for a second he trumps the judges? think again fanboy

and I just proved to you that ' everyone ' didn't have a problem with Dorian winning in 94 NOT even Shawn  only internet fanboys years latter did

[NarcissisticDeity]

I followed the "sport" in the 90s, and most people I knew thought that Johnny Fitness was easily the worst of the worst.  Seriously, read some of his stuff.  The guy was a complete tool.

His name alone is cringe worthy.

I don't care about the 94 argument, but to describe that guy as some sort of guru is ridiculous.  I read probably ever article he wrote in the 90s, so I can tell you I'm not commenting based on the article you're describing.

 

the guy looks just like someone who should be called ' fitness ' too 

Hulkster needs someone of ' worth ' to agree with him , give him a break he's really , really reaching here

[NarcissisticDeity]

well said. I am not actually surprised that ND is arguing to the death what no one else agrees with: that Flea was better at their bests


he has already demonstrated that he has absolutely no fucking clue how to assess physiques (after all, he is clueless enough to insist dorian was better than ronnie.. )

so this comes as no surprise to anyone..

Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA dumbass out of the two of us it's painfully obvious which one of us knows what they're talking about  

Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian did   1994 was the most controversial and 2001 Ronnie ' dominated ' 

[kiwiol]

so, you are saying that renowned contest reviewer Johnny Fitness from musclemag who was there in person was an internet fanboy even back in 94 when the internet was hardly anywhere?

Johnny Fitness, whoever he was, had the writing skills of a chambermaid and was a moron. His sole agenda was to write something against all things Weider (from their mags to their sponsored bodybuilders to whatever) while giving his boss Robert Kennedy & Musclemag a lame plug every chance he got, even when it wasn't appropriate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Johnny Fitness, whoever he was, had the writing skills of a chambermaid and was a moron. His sole agenda was to write something against all things Weider (from their mags to their sponsored bodybuilders to whatever) while giving his boss Robert Kennedy & Musclemag a lame plug every chance he got, even when it wasn't appropriate.

well said. and where is he now? like I said Hulkster desperately needs anyone to agree with him and he's reaching way down in the bottom of the barrel for this one.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Wrong. That were their BILLED heights. Shawn had a cool 2" on Lee (not just one) and Shawn was a legit 5'6" at best. He claimed this height for himself earlier on in his career. Lee Labrada at 5'6" is just plain wrong. Do you see Kevin Levrone having had a mere 3" on him? 5'5" Francis Benfatto had at least 1-2" on him.. Lee was MAX 5'4" and in reality, probably shy of that....

and you came to this conclusion how? did you measure each guy? 

[Danimal77]

and you came to this conclusion how? did you measure each guy? 

ND, you don't have to measure these men... Lee was described as being 5'4" for years in many magazines. Pictures of his 5'5"-5'6" wife in one article standing back to back with him (both barefeet) while she was pregnant and she was obviously taller than him...

Then we have DOZENS of pics and video footage of Lee next to 5'6" Shawn Ray (a height he claimed for himself before he upped it to 5'7") and 5'5" Francis Benfatto. We These pics and vids are all over the internet. We also know that Levrone was MAX 5'9". Again, do you see a mere 3" difference between them?

You do realize that bodybuilders are very insecure men by nature and like pro wrestlers inflate their stats ALL THE TIME? Believe everything your told. I'll believe what I SEE...

[Croatch]

the end of an era 91/92.

93 onward all bullshit false muscle

It's all bullshit muscle.  Who's to say steroids are fine in extreme doses, but gh/slin/igf-1 are wrong?
haha
Do it on your own, or it's make believe.  Just look at these fools when they come out.  They usually can't do squat.  Or, what have most of these guys done on their own first...except Coleman maybe?
Cutler's has been juicing since being a youngster.  Zero real gains.  Same with Heath, etc.
I'm sure they'd look good without, but point being, they never have.

[Hulkster]

ND, you don't have to measure these men... Lee was described as being 5'4" for years in many magazines. Pictures of his 5'5"-5'6" wife in one article standing back to back with him (both barefeet) while she was pregnant and she was obviously taller than him...

Then we have DOZENS of pics and video footage of Lee next to 5'6" Shawn Ray (a height he claimed for himself before he upped it to 5'7") and 5'5" Francis Benfatto. We These pics and vids are all over the internet. We also know that Levrone was MAX 5'9". Again, do you see a mere 3" difference between them?

You do realize that bodybuilders are very insecure men by nature and like pro wrestlers inflate their stats ALL THE TIME? Believe everything your told. I'll believe what I SEE...

you are talking to a guy who despite seeing pics and videos of Ronnie coleman from 96 vs 99 and the substantial size increase denying everything because somewhere Flex magazine printed ronnie's weight in 1996 as 255 pounds so he believes ronnie hardly put on any muscle from the mid 90's to his early Mr. Olympia wins..

 

remember: Flowerboy insists everything in the IFBB is 100% true and accurate, all printed weights, all judge scoring, everything.

he is a veteran fan with a superficial novice knowledge of how the sport actually works..

its sad really.

[Grape Ape]

remember: Flowerboy insists everything in the IFBB is 100% true and accurate, all printed weights, all judge scoring, everything.

he is a veteran fan with a superficial novice knowledge of how the sport actually works..

its sad really.

And, on the other hand, you know all the inner workings of the secret society having never even been to a pro show.

I've never seen someone devote so much time to something and know so little about it.  And, it has nothing to do with Coleman vs Yates, since I have no idea who would win at their respective best, nor do I give a shit.

You're just really, really bad at this.  You realize this, right?

[Hulkster]

LOL you think that because someone is knowledgable about the sport that they have some secret knowledge of inner workings of the sport? LOL

sorry bud, its called being an informed fan who has followed the sport for a long time and who knows how it works.

you don't have to have been to a pro show to do that.

I know you need to try and get something on me, since I know what I am talking about, but still, thats pretty sad.

[JP_RC]

NO let's toss out anything that happen and just base it all on what we think should have happened or what we would have liked to happen   yes according to the judges scorecards Shawn was trailing Kevin , if you want to toss out the judges you do that I'll go by what happened not what I would have liked to happen

there you go again making up facts NO Shawn was ' not close to Dorian ' that's fantasy and if you have anything of value to back up your claim fee free to post it. and everyone back then was thinking Shawn had it? really? I guess Shawn didn't get the memo  

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "


Shawn didn't think so and none of his other contemporaries did either

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "


quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

Dorian sure didn't think Shawn was close.

94 is NOT one of the most ' controversial ' Olympias , 1980/1981/2001 all beat it hands down check this list http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_12_23/ai_n16034008/pg_2/ NOT one single mention of 1994   and it's talked about on message boards because people favor Shawn over Yates has noting to do with facts.

but you are partially right 1994 was a close contest ....................betw een second and third

Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).


Shawn only beat Kevin by one single point and both were NO WHERE near Dorian

old news

so keep trying to rewrite history and I will keep teaching it.

yes says me , Lee was slightly off NO coincidence Shawn beat him , it's no stretch to think if Lee hadn't competed in the spring shows he would have beat Shawn AGAIN ,  I have the 1992/1994 Olympia on video and the is NO difference in conditioning or size if Shawn is better in 1994 it's negligible not even worth mentioning he looks just as good same in 1993 was well , that was one of his criticisms he never really improved over his career that he was just consistent , when he tried to play the size-game ( 215lbs ) his conditioning suffered for it.

true but the point as Lee's only down size to Shawn and that's it.

NO let's toss out anything that happen and just base it all on what we think should have happened or what we would have liked to happen  yes according to the judges scorecards Shawn was trailing Kevin , if you want to toss out the judges you do that I'll go by what happened not what I would have liked to happen

there you go again making up facts NO Shawn was ' not close to Dorian ' that's fantasy and if you have anything of value to back up your claim fee free to post it. and everyone back then was thinking Shawn had it? really? I guess Shawn didn't get the memo 

I was just trying to show that even though the judges' call is important and its a fact that it reallt happened, other people's opinions also count. Many thought it was a close contest.

How about Weider himself thinking Shawn had it won before the night show? Shawn himself wrote that Weider gave him his "blessing", thinking he had it.

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "


Shawn didn't think so and none of his other contemporaries did either

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "


quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

Dorian sure didn't think Shawn was close.

Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?

[JP_RC]

now you're amending your original statement of his back ' improved considerably ' how does one do that by not adding any size what so ever?  I have all of the videos you mentioned I don't see any considerable or noteworthy change in conditioning between the years if and that's entertaining your point it was it was negligible and not like Ronnie 97/98

I'm making no excuses just point out facts , Shawn had to peak once Lee three times MUCH harder to do three times , Shawn had only competed at the Olympia in 1992 as did Lee we all know the end result of that contest , the thing is Lee consistently beat Shawn this much we know for a fact.

needless to say I disagree

Again I disagree I think it's night-and-day between clavicle width , which when anyone brings up Shawn's flaws they will comment on this , never the case for Lee.

the limb length toso length issue is more noticeable on taller guys like Levrone and Nasser , Lee is more pronounced because his lats don't insert as low as Shawn's but it doesn't change the fact.  even if entertaining your point of view the torso/leg length were the same , the proportion between the calves & quads aren't , and neither are the discrepancy between Shawn's oversized arms in relation to his torso and his narrow clavicles so he still has issues that Lee does not

Shawn's conditioning was great in 1992 and it usually was spot-on he was consistently in shape and the only exceptions when he tried to add more size then you can see a discrepancy worth mentioning. and at his best Shawn's conditioning might be equal to Lee's who is no slouch in conditioning.

I said it before: it really doesn't matter who peaked more times or who beat who more times, its all a matter of who was better at their repsective bests and that was Shawn.

Watch Shawn in 1991 or prior and then compare it 1992 and onwards, you'll see an imporvement in back development.
Shawn was drier in 1993/1994 than in 1992, his placings show this (don't forget those were two years where he beat Levrone, but couldn't in 92). Compare any pose from 1994 to 1992, he was better conditioned in 94.

We can disagree on who has better structure, symmetry and proportions though. I see them equal, you say its Labrada. At their best they had equal conditioning you say? Great, now you has more muscle size while having the same conditioning? Shawn.

[Hulkster]

Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?

 Shawn was under Weider contract at the time when he said he 'got what he deserved'

he was not going to bad mouth the champion while under contract with Uncle Joe.

once he wasn't, he spoke how he truly felt.

that he felt he got fucked over, just like everyone else says he did.

this has been pointed out to ND a million times and he still denies it.
 

[James28]

LOL you think that because someone is knowledgable about the sport that they have some secret knowledge of inner workings of the sport? LOL

sorry bud, its called being an informed fan who has followed the sport for a long time and who knows how it works.

you don't have to have been to a pro show to do that.

I know you need to try and get something on me, since I know what I am talking about, but still, thats pretty sad.

How are you a fan then Trollster? You're, by your own admission, are THE definition of an armchair fan. An internet fan of bodybuilding. A magazine fan of bodybuilding. Anything but a real fan that get out there and see these shows first hand. Hulk, you cannot claim to know the sounds that roars out of a F1 meet without being trackside. You cannot feel a stadium shake with 100k cheering fans without being there and seeing the action live. The Olympics is worlds different live than watching it on screen. A Wimbledon final is different court side than what you see on your screen. Everything is different live. So is a bodybuilding contest. I've stood next to these bodybuilders you've only read about in magazines or seen on Youtube. They all have more muscles laced across their bodies then you would ever realise.

Stop claiming you know what you're talking about. Just by a glance at the contents of your posts it's clear you don't. Then again, you're only trolling, so it's to be expected.

[RocketSwitch625]

The latest Flex cover. DY still the daddy.

[Hulkster]

. I've stood next to these bodybuilders you've only read about in magazines or seen on Youtube. They all have more muscles laced across their bodies then you would ever realise.

so have I. I  have seen pros up close and personal too.

 and I still know much more about the sport than you do.

just because there aren't many pro shows in my area, doesn't mean pros don't come around.

they do give seminars.

and even their weak small calves are the size of grapefruits LOL.

just when you think you have me, I am always one step ahead of you.

story of my life on getbig LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

so have I. I  have seen pros up close and personal too.

 and I still know much more about the sport than you do.

just because there aren't many pro shows in my area, doesn't mean pros don't come around.

they do give seminars.

and even their weak small calves are the size of grapefruits LOL.

just when you think you have me, I am always one step ahead of you.

story of my life on getbig LOL

" Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia " " Ronnie has more detail in his calves than Dorian did "

this sums up what you know. which is jack-fucking-shit anyone who can come to these conclusions is dumb as a bag of fucking rocks.

and your only experience with a pro is you caressed Nimrod King's calves at a seminar, everyone knows you don't have a fucking clue stop pretending.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I was just trying to show that even though the judges' call is important and its a fact that it reallt happened, other people's opinions also count. Many thought it was a close contest.

How about Weider himself thinking Shawn had it won before the night show? Shawn himself wrote that Weider gave him his "blessing", thinking he had it.

Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?

I was just trying to show that even though the judges' call is important and its a fact that it reallt happened, other people's opinions also count. Many thought it was a close contest.

no they don't not by a long shot , you think it matters that Flex turned his back on Ronnie in 99 and raised his hand like he was number 1? you think it matters Kevin Levrone outright said he beat Ronnie in 00/02? or Jay handed Ronnie his ass in 01? you think it matters Shawn said Ronnie was the most improved in 98 and they should have an award for that and the number 1 spot isn't it?

There is what happened and all the bitching & moaning after the fact

How about Weider himself thinking Shawn had it won before the night show? Shawn himself wrote that Weider gave him his "blessing", thinking he had it.

HAHAHAHHA who cares what Shawn said? Shawn is delusional and wrong and contradicts the judges , see above , Ronnie shouldn't have won in 1998 according to him , his opinion is tainted , bitter and biased.

Intereseting quotes, but they go against what Shawn has being saying and writing about the 94 Olympia ever since it happened: that he deserved to win. Even to this day, go to MD and you'll read Shawn's opinion on that show. So who's telling the truth? His actual posts or a quote from a magazine?

Shawn changed his mind since then it doesn't mean anything , what else is he gonna say? because someone claims they should have won it makes it so? if that's the case Ronnie owes 4 of his Olympias to other people

1994 was NOT a close contest , oh wait it was for second and third which Shawn very narrowly beat Kevin ( who he was trailing after prejudging ) by one single point. neither were close to Dorian this is a fact that crybabies can't change