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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2010, 06:35:52 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2010, 06:38:26 AM »
All religions belong in the garbage can of nonsense belief systems. That doesn't stop billions from believing such nonsense. Humans are individually quite ignorant and ordinary. No wonder they use other people to think for them. Most societies believe they are right whereas others are wrong and mistaken. Thus, we have disagreements and wars.

Didn't George Bush say 'God bless America'? The only way to defeat ignorance and nonsense is with enlightenment and knowledge. That won't happen in our lifetimes. Look at how many dopes on Getbig believe rubbish about extraterrestrials, etc. I detect many believers here, too, which is predictable.



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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2010, 06:45:53 AM »
Everyone has beliefs, some believe in a 2000 year old book, some believe genetics is everything, some people believe science will solve all our problems, some believe in democracy, some people believe there country isn't as bad as the rest :p, some believe in global warming will kill us all and some believe the world's a nice place. Point is  beliefs don't make you stupid, Being people make you stupid.

I'm probably arguing semantics here but just for fun, I'll say that no, some beliefs make you stupid.

If you are over 8 and believe in Santa Clause
If you are over 6 and believe in the Easter  Bunny
If you are over 10 and believe in Colon Cleanse
If you believe in Lizard men
If you believe in crop circles being formed by aliens
If you believe area 51 houses aliens
If you believe either political party has your best interest at heart
If you believe professional bodybuilders got that way on Muscle Milk and Creatine
If you believe Michael Jackson "just loved children"
If you believe OJ really was innocent
If you believe Scientific Theory like gravity is on par with the JFK assassination theory
If you believe psychics are real

So I have to disagree and say that some beliefs do make you stupid..

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2010, 06:58:13 AM »
before this thread goes any further, I think everyone should remember that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian


Not Christian...Agnostic.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=318717.0

Dan Herbeck and Lou Michel wrote a book about McVeigh where they gathered information through many interviews w/him.  They said he was AGNOSTIC.





Question from chat room: Does McVeigh have any spiritual-religious beliefs?

Lou Michel: McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, "What if there is a heaven and hell?"

He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon -- "adapt, improvise, and overcome." Death to him is all part of the adventure.






Chat Moderator: How were you two able to cultivate a relationship with McVeigh that resulted in these exclusive interviews?

Dan Herbeck: Hundreds of reporters from all over the country had tried to get interviews with Tim McVeigh, including reporters from Oklahoma City and many other communities. The way this all came about is that, a few days after the bombing, people in western New York were shocked to learn that the bomber was from our community.

Lou Michel was able to establish contact with Bill McVeigh, Tim McVeigh's father. Lou treated the family fairly. They were going through a lot of stress like everyone else. Lou treated them fairly, and ultimately Bill McVeigh introduced Lou to Timothy McVeigh, and Timothy McVeigh finally decided to cooperate with interviews for our book. This took place over the course of several years.


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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2010, 07:06:28 AM »
Survival is one of our strongest basic instincts. The typical human being does not want to die and normally will avoid it at all costs. Religious belief is our way of avoiding the inevitable, at least in our minds. What better way to avoid death than to believe it is a new beginning and "life" continues on.. 
Giacomo Casanova:“Suppose that you succeed in destroying superstition. With what will you replace it?”
Voltaire shoots back:I like that. When I deliver humanity from a ferocious beast which devours it, can I be asked what I shall put in its place.”

Casanova's point of view:“ (voltaire)been a proper philosopher, he would have kept silent on that subject ... the people need to live in ignorance for the general peace of the nation”.

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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2010, 07:07:07 AM »
Great.... now us Agnostics are going to be looked at as terrorists...... just great..

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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2010, 07:11:32 AM »
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)


"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)


"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or to have their hands and feet chopped off on opposite sides, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)


"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)


"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)


"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)


"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

Among various prolific misconceptions concerning the religion of Islam, one cannot miss the oft-quoted “Kill them wherever you find them,” characterization of religious intolerance in the Quran.  This bloodthirsty depiction of Islam is far, far from the truth.  Yet, with so much media attention shone on “Muslim terrorists”, contradictory Islamic ideals of religious tolerance might be difficult for Western audiences to believe.
          
The best solution is to READ THE QURAN.  Verses granting permission to fight in war, when attacked, can then be read in context.  Ideological mud slinging on the internet is rife with quotes like, “Kill them wherever you find them.” If that is the first phrase you read from the Quran, of course it sounds like a horrible, unholy book.
        
  Conditions of War in the Quran

 
“Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities.  Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
(Quran, 2:190)
 
 The Quranic verse stating, “Kill them wherever you encounter them” (2:191) does not categorically permit (let alone promote) killing of Non-Muslims.  Rather, this verse was revealed in relation to a specific stage of persecutory war against Muslims in the history of Islam; and its ordinance is obviously confined to warfare.  The fourteen-hundred-year heritage of Islamic rule in Arabia and beyond testifies to religious tolerance exhorted by the Quran.
 
Scenarios under which taking a life is permissible according to the Quran are extremely limited.  The Quran permits between-group killing, or “collateral damage”, during warfare in hand-to-hand combat with male, combatant enemy soldiers.  In domestic affairs, Islamic law permits execution by judicial sentence in cases of premeditated manslaughter; a tooth for a tooth whether Muslim or Non-Muslim.
 
In Islam, it is NEVER permissible to attack or kill non-combatant enemy citizens, children, elderly, or women.  Non-Muslims not waging war against Muslims possess Islamic state’s protection of their right to life, according to the Quran.  In fact, the Quran enjoins forgiveness, indulgence, tolerance, and kindness toward Non-Muslims.    
 
 
Conditions of Peace
 
 
“Help ye one another unto righteousness and pious duty.”
(Quran, 5:2)
 
            Far from simply not killing Non-Muslims, Islam promotes an ideal ethic of cooperative piety with Non-Muslims who are at peace with Muslim states.  The Quran also discusses basic rights of Non-Muslims, such as the right to life, freedom of religion, and property.   Furthermore, the Quran offers specific guidelines to promote religious tolerance.
 
 
 
 Freedom of Religion in the Quran
 
            Religion with God is Islam.  However, there is no compulsion in religion.  Humankind is created free to choose good or evil.  No person can reach into another’s heart, place faith therein, cleanse filth, or soften hardness.  Individual choice is an integral facet of religious devotion, and the Qur’an acknowledge this in the verse, “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256).  Furthermore, the Quran draws firm limits toward entrenched thinking in relation to Non-Muslims.  It states, “Had God willed, they had not been idolatrous.  We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them” (6:107).  Here, the Quran instructs us to recognize Non-Muslims’ religious self-sovereignty and to leave them alone.    
 
            Freedom of religion is the cornerstone of religious tolerance; and it is clearly established in the Quran.        
 
 
 
 
 Mutual Verbal Religious Tolerance in the Quran
 
            The Quran goes further than religious freedom, instructing Muslims to show tolerance and respect to other religions.  The verse, “Do not revile those unto whom they pray beside God, lest they wrongfully revile God through ignorance” (6:108), directly forbids verbal religious intolerance, candidly pointing out the logical consequence of mutual animosity and hatred.  Disagreement is sometimes unavoidable; however, petty name-calling is certainly something we can all maturely surmount.
 
 
 
 
Kindness toward Non-Combatant, Non-Muslims in the Quran
 
            As long as other religious groups do not invade and transgress Muslim lands and political sovereignty, Muslims should have no qualm with them.  God commands the Muslims to show indulgence, tolerance, forgiveness, justice, and compassion toward Non-Muslim groups who do not take up arms fighting against Muslims.  God says, “God does not forbid you to be kind to those who do not take arms against you.  God loves those who are just”   Chapter 60, in which the aforementioned verse occurs, addresses Muslim unity against avowed political attackers.  No Muslim should harbor alliances with transgressing forces.  However, even in this chapter whose theme primarily addresses conditions of defensive war, the Quran does not neglect to mention that Muslims should show kindness and justice in lieu of violent aggression from other Non-Muslim nations or individuals.
 
 
 
   Forgiveness toward Non-Muslims Harboring Animosity toward Muslims in the Quran
 
            Peace and war are two extremes, between which are many shades of conflictive coexistence.  The Quran does not only speak to extremes.  Rather, it addresses latent conflict, jealously, rivalry, and hatred between groups.  In all of these cases, as in the case of peace and cooperation, the Quran enjoins forgiveness, indulgence, justice, and compassion toward Non-Muslims.  For example, the Quran mentions that some groups of Jews and Christians wish for ruination of Muslim nations.  Toward them, the Quran instructs, “Forgive and show indulgence to them…Whosoever surrendereth his purpose to God while doing good, his reward is with his Lord; and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve” (2:109-112).
 
 
 
 
 Justice toward Previously Combatant Non-Muslims in the Quran
 
            In another chapter, the Quran deals with situations where Muslims might feel hatred toward Non-Muslim groups.  Again, the message is patience and justice.  God says, “Do not allow your hatred of a folk who [once] stopped your going to the Inviolable Place of Worship [2] seduce you to transgress; but help ye one another unto righteousness and pious duty.  Help not one another unto sin and transgression, but keep your duty to God” (5:2).  Warring nations confront a difficult psychological task when arms are finally laid aside for olive branches.  What happens to the hearts that remember lost soldiers and former offenses?  The Quranic reply is God-consciousness.  By remembering God’s love for justice, we can avoid seductions of violence and vengefulness.    
 
 
 

 
Religious tolerance in the Quran is not based on fantasy.  Rather, it tackles real world scenarios of peace, conflict, war, and coexistence.  We do not pretend that differing groups can live in perfect, unbroken harmony; not even homogenous groups enjoy so much mutuality.  However, the Quran clearly states that cooperation is better than conflict, peace is preferable to war, and justice is necessary under all circumstances.  Furthermore, the Quran offers specific guidelines to help encourage and maintain peaceful coexistence between differing religious groups.  Principles of indulgence, patience, justice, and kindness are underscored in the Quran by rules such as the forbiddance of insulting other gods.
          

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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2010, 07:21:17 AM »
Among various prolific misconceptions concerning the religion of Islam, one cannot miss the oft-quoted “Kill them wherever you find them,” characterization of religious intolerance in the Quran.  This bloodthirsty depiction of Islam is far, far from the truth.  Yet, with so much media attention shone on “Muslim terrorists”, contradictory Islamic ideals of religious tolerance might be difficult for Western audiences to believe.
           
The best solution is to READ THE QURAN.  Verses granting permission to fight in war, when attacked, can then be read in context.  Ideological mud slinging on the internet is rife with quotes like, “Kill them wherever you find them.” If that is the first phrase you read from the Quran, of course it sounds like a horrible, unholy book.
       
  Conditions of War in the Quran

 
“Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities.  Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
(Quran, 2:190)
 
 The Quranic verse stating, “Kill them wherever you encounter them” (2:191) does not categorically permit (let alone promote) killing of Non-Muslims.  Rather, this verse was revealed in relation to a specific stage of persecutory war against Muslims in the history of Islam; and its ordinance is obviously confined to warfare.  The fourteen-hundred-year heritage of Islamic rule in Arabia and beyond testifies to religious tolerance exhorted by the Quran.
 
Scenarios under which taking a life is permissible according to the Quran are extremely limited.  The Quran permits between-group killing, or “collateral damage”, during warfare in hand-to-hand combat with male, combatant enemy soldiers.  In domestic affairs, Islamic law permits execution by judicial sentence in cases of premeditated manslaughter [1]; a tooth for a tooth whether Muslim or Non-Muslim.
 
In Islam, it is NEVER permissible to attack or kill non-combatant enemy citizens, children, elderly, or women.  Non-Muslims not waging war against Muslims possess Islamic state’s protection of their right to life, according to the Quran.  In fact, the Quran enjoins forgiveness, indulgence, tolerance, and kindness toward Non-Muslims.     
 
 
Conditions of Peace
 
 
“Help ye one another unto righteousness and pious duty.”
(Quran, 5:2)
 
            Far from simply not killing Non-Muslims, Islam promotes an ideal ethic of cooperative piety with Non-Muslims who are at peace with Muslim states.  The Quran also discusses basic rights of Non-Muslims, such as the right to life, freedom of religion, and property.   Furthermore, the Quran offers specific guidelines to promote religious tolerance.
 
 
 
 Freedom of Religion in the Quran
 
            Religion with God is Islam.  However, there is no compulsion in religion.  Humankind is created free to choose good or evil.  No person can reach into another’s heart, place faith therein, cleanse filth, or soften hardness.  Individual choice is an integral facet of religious devotion, and the Qur’an acknowledge this in the verse, “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256).  Furthermore, the Quran draws firm limits toward entrenched thinking in relation to Non-Muslims.  It states, “Had God willed, they had not been idolatrous.  We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them” (6:107).  Here, the Quran instructs us to recognize Non-Muslims’ religious self-sovereignty and to leave them alone.     
 
            Freedom of religion is the cornerstone of religious tolerance; and it is clearly established in the Quran.       
 
 
 
 
 Mutual Verbal Religious Tolerance in the Quran
 
            The Quran goes further than religious freedom, instructing Muslims to show tolerance and respect to other religions.  The verse, “Do not revile those unto whom they pray beside God, lest they wrongfully revile God through ignorance” (6:108), directly forbids verbal religious intolerance, candidly pointing out the logical consequence of mutual animosity and hatred.  Disagreement is sometimes unavoidable; however, petty name-calling is certainly something we can all maturely surmount.
 
 
 
 
Kindness toward Non-Combatant, Non-Muslims in the Quran
 
            As long as other religious groups do not invade and transgress Muslim lands and political sovereignty, Muslims should have no qualm with them.  God commands the Muslims to show indulgence, tolerance, forgiveness, justice, and compassion toward Non-Muslim groups who do not take up arms fighting against Muslims.  God says, “God does not forbid you to be kind to those who do not take arms against you.  God loves those who are just” (60:8).  Chapter 60, in which the aforementioned verse occurs, addresses Muslim unity against avowed political attackers.  No Muslim should harbor alliances with transgressing forces.  However, even in this chapter whose theme primarily addresses conditions of defensive war, the Quran does not neglect to mention that Muslims should show kindness and justice in lieu of violent aggression from other Non-Muslim nations or individuals.
 
 
 
   Forgiveness toward Non-Muslims Harboring Animosity toward Muslims in the Quran
 
            Peace and war are two extremes, between which are many shades of conflictive coexistence.  The Quran does not only speak to extremes.  Rather, it addresses latent conflict, jealously, rivalry, and hatred between groups.  In all of these cases, as in the case of peace and cooperation, the Quran enjoins forgiveness, indulgence, justice, and compassion toward Non-Muslims.  For example, the Quran mentions that some groups of Jews and Christians wish for ruination of Muslim nations.  Toward them, the Quran instructs, “Forgive and show indulgence to them…Whosoever surrendereth his purpose to God while doing good, his reward is with his Lord; and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve” (2:109-112).
 
 
 
 
 Justice toward Previously Combatant Non-Muslims in the Quran
 
            In another chapter, the Quran deals with situations where Muslims might feel hatred toward Non-Muslim groups.  Again, the message is patience and justice.  God says, “Do not allow your hatred of a folk who [once] stopped your going to the Inviolable Place of Worship [2] seduce you to transgress; but help ye one another unto righteousness and pious duty.  Help not one another unto sin and transgression, but keep your duty to God” (5:2).  Warring nations confront a difficult psychological task when arms are finally laid aside for olive branches.  What happens to the hearts that remember lost soldiers and former offenses?  The Quranic reply is God-consciousness.  By remembering God’s love for justice, we can avoid seductions of violence and vengefulness.     
 
 
 

 
Religious tolerance in the Quran is not based on fantasy.  Rather, it tackles real world scenarios of peace, conflict, war, and coexistence.  We do not pretend that differing groups can live in perfect, unbroken harmony; not even homogenous groups enjoy so much mutuality.  However, the Quran clearly states that cooperation is better than conflict, peace is preferable to war, and justice is necessary under all circumstances.  Furthermore, the Quran offers specific guidelines to help encourage and maintain peaceful coexistence between differing religious groups.  Principles of indulgence, patience, justice, and kindness are underscored in the Quran by rules such as the forbiddance of insulting other gods.
           
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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2010, 09:10:52 AM »
This shit is such a joke. I'm no fan of immigrants but to think that Islamic imigrants  are any different from any other group is nonsense.  The chinese are way scarier, there unified got money, are a powerhouse of the future and they don't give a shit about us. Chirstian/muslim is the same dam thing there no difference. I got christian and muslim friends and they pretty much agree on everything, they even talk about the same parts of the bible.

It's funny must american's don't even realize that the koran is basically an extension of the bible. It's the same dam religion.

I don't love immigrants, but this complete ignorance of islam is getting really fucking annoying it's the same dam religion.


The saddest part is that i'm not an american, i'm a french, a country where islam ten years ago was marginal religion, and today it's all hype, even for politics, for marketing (halal foo  = 5 milliards of euros) believe me guy, islam, hallal, mosquee every where, even for non pratiquant musulman the religious feeling grow dramatically in ten years.


i can tell you, you can't compare islam with catolicism.
having "few muslim friend" didn't make you a muslim specialist, living in a country where they are 5 millions and working in a town where they are 30000 on a total population of 100000 makes me a specialist.

So please shut up guy.


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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2010, 09:19:05 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2010, 09:19:55 AM »
They even had the ball to built a mosquee near ground zero.

I'm not a yankee but that sound a crime to me.

Islam test the democraty to see how far he can go.

one year you see a niquab, the year before you see burka etc etc etc.
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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2010, 09:21:18 AM »
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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2010, 09:26:09 AM »

Yes we know the old song "there is bad people in every religion, in every race " etc etc etc... ::)


It's the typical argument of socialist/democrat to avoid real debat about religion, race, it's a fog cloud.



Let's get serious and don't deviate from the orginal thread about the blatant danger of islam.  

Now this is some funny shit...By the way its not argument...its a fact...dipshit

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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2010, 09:36:18 AM »

The saddest part is that i'm not an american, i'm a french, a country where islam ten years ago was marginal religion, and today it's all hype, even for politics, for marketing (halal foo  = 5 milliards of euros) believe me guy, islam, hallal, mosquee every where, even for non pratiquant musulman the religious feeling grow dramatically in ten years.


i can tell you, you can't compare islam with catolicism.
having "few muslim friend" didn't make you a muslim specialist, living in a country where they are 5 millions and working in a town where they are 30000 on a total population of 100000 makes me a specialist.

So please shut up guy.




I understand what you're saying but you're wrong or just confused. I live in France too and in Paris so there's no shortage of muslims here. There's problems related to immigration and other problems related to Islam as an organized religion and those two things tend to somehow mix very welltogether to create an explosive situation. First, you can absolutely compare catholicism with Islam, you can't compare "modern" catholicism with Islam specially in Western countries as catholics have been cast aside from the political spectrum, they didn't let it go nicely, they were forced to do so. But go to certain countries where Catholicism is still very much a poltical force and you'll see what it does. Islam has a very different story and if you look into it you will understand why it's still (or in fact again) acting as a conquering religion.

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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2010, 09:41:28 AM »

The saddest part is that i'm not an american, i'm a french, a country where islam ten years ago was marginal religion, and today it's all hype, even for politics, for marketing (halal foo  = 5 milliards of euros) believe me guy, islam, hallal, mosquee every where, even for non pratiquant musulman the religious feeling grow dramatically in ten years.


i can tell you, you can't compare islam with catolicism.
having "few muslim friend" didn't make you a muslim specialist, living in a country where they are 5 millions and working in a town where they are 30000 on a total population of 100000 makes me a specialist.

So please shut up guy.



The problem in france is that their are too many invaders, regardless of religion. You guys haven't had the lowest growth rate in Europe for the last 250 years.

And as far as me having friends that are muslim, I don't live  in the USA and I have a pretty good view of the muslim world. Of course there are Orthodox muslims who are a plague that needs to be stopped, just like there are fundamentalist Christians.  However I'd rather stopped fundamentalist of either religion. So I ain't hopping on the band wagon with a Christian democrat party or any of that other shit.

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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2010, 09:50:36 AM »
The problem in france is that their are too many invaders, regardless of religion. You guys haven't had the lowest growth rate in Europe for the last 250 years.

And as far as me having friends that are muslim, I don't live  in the USA and I have a pretty good view of the muslim world. Of course there are Orthodox muslims who are a plague that needs to be stopped, just like there are fundamentalist Christians.  However I'd rather stopped fundamentalist of either religion. So I ain't hopping on the band wagon with a Christian democrat party or any of that other shit.

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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2010, 10:28:46 AM »
hahaha, all these "taken out of context" comments are precious......foolish idiots.

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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2010, 10:33:44 AM »
The bottom line is that innocents are getting blown up every day due to these lines being "taken out of context".
And countries are getting their laws and citizens trampeled on.
Taken out of context.. who fucking cares? Theyre making those verses a reality.

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« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2010, 10:57:57 AM »
The bottom line is that innocents are getting blown up every day due to these lines being "taken out of context".
And countries are getting their laws and citizens trampeled on.
Taken out of context.. who fucking cares? Theyre making those verses a reality.

EXACTLY.

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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2010, 03:01:35 PM »
This shit is such a joke. I'm no fan of immigrants but to think that Islamic imigrants  are any different from any other group is nonsense.  The chinese are way scarier, there unified got money, are a powerhouse of the future and they don't give a shit about us. Chirstian/muslim is the same dam thing there no difference. I got christian and muslim friends and they pretty much agree on everything, they even talk about the same parts of the bible.

It's funny must american's don't even realize that the koran is basically an extension of the bible. It's the same dam religion.

I don't love immigrants, but this complete ignorance of islam is getting really fucking annoying it's the same dam religion.

I don't think so.  Islam, Christianity and Judaism all have the same roots, but they aren't the same religion.  The bigger problem is that all three of these religions create extremists who push the "truth" of their view.  All have created some extremist followers who go too far and seek to kill "unbelievers."  Each needs to be more tolerant of those with opposing religious views. 

Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen.  If someone is an extremist, it is almost impossible to change their views.

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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2010, 07:06:00 AM »


It's funny must american's don't even realize that the koran is basically an extension of the bible. It's the same dam religion.

I don't love immigrants, but this complete ignorance of islam is getting really fucking annoying it's the same dam religion.

I agree that the fundamental truths in the 3 religions are the same.  All the prophets and messengers of God, from Abraham to Muhammad, taught the same religion.  These different religions are basically just tools used to divide people.  The problem is that people will never accept that.  

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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2010, 07:11:13 AM »
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)


"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)


"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or to have their hands and feet chopped off on opposite sides, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)


"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)


"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)


"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)


"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

actual verses...the koran is in arabic....and u copied and pasted someones..wait YOUR interpertation of arabic  ::)

do u speak a word of arabic....

lol similar copies of the "bible" exist amongst the taliban..who sell it as an evil book

so now tell me how u r different from the taliban?
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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2010, 07:12:54 AM »
I don't think so.  Islam, Christianity and Judaism all have the same roots, but they aren't the same religion.  The bigger problem is that all three of these religions create extremists who push the "truth" of their view.  All have created some extremist followers who go too far and seek to kill "unbelievers."  Each needs to be more tolerant of those with opposing religious views. 

Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen.  If someone is an extremist, it is almost impossible to change their views.

Right they all have the same roots yet people have choose to create all these divisions stemming from 1 religion.

Like the Bible says,  God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.

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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2010, 02:47:46 PM »
Right they all have the same roots yet people have choose to create all these divisions stemming from 1 religion.

Like the Bible says,  God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.

If there is a God, it's highly unlikely it had anything to do with either the Koran or the Bible... just sayin..

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Re: Actual verses from the Koran,the book of the religion of peace
« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2010, 08:30:07 AM »
If there is a God, it's highly unlikely it had anything to do with either the Koran or the Bible... just sayin..

You are half correct. The koran for sure is not complete. Therefore, not qualifying as the word of God.
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