Palin also a big winner Tuesday

[Soul Crusher]

I wonder if people were using the N-word more the day after she defended Dr laura for using the word 11 times on the phone with a black caller.

I think since Obama has decided to wage war on the working class, middle class, productive class, businesses, and taxpayers, everyone is using that word more since 2008. 

[240 is Back]

I think since Obama has decided to wage war on the working class, middle class, productive class, businesses, and taxpayers, everyone is using that word more since 2008. 

Really?

[Soul Crusher]

Really?

Absolutley.  I will tell you one thing, I know a lot of cops and the Gates affair really really sealed the deal for them.  Don't get me wrong, I cant stand most cops for their attitude towards the public, but I hear it in the bars, from the cops, family, friends etc. 

They are most pissed off due to the reckless spending and taxes on the way.     

[240 is Back]

Absolutley.  I will tell you one thing, I know a lot of cops and the Gates affair really really sealed the deal for them.  Don't get me wrong, I cant stand most cops for their attitude towards the public, but I hear it in the bars, from the cops, family, friends etc. 

They are most pissed off due to the reckless spending and taxes on the way.     

Do you use the word, 33?

[Soul Crusher]

Do you use the word, 33?

No, I use the word "communist, kenyan, marxist, traitor, pofs" frequently when referring to obama.  There is no need to make it racial whatsoever. 

[Soul Crusher]

Palin Again Dispels D.C. Wisdom in Biggest Win Yet
By Scott Conroy - August 25, 2010
real clear politics  

When the former Alaska governor placed her home-state credibility squarely on the shoulders of uber-longshot Senate challenger Joe Miller, inside-the-beltway types were once again left scratching their heads and left to wonder, "What is Palin thinking?"

The Washington Post spoke for the established viewpoint on Monday when it published online under the headline "Wither Palin?" the observation that Miller "looks to be headed to a convincing loss." Meanwhile, Slate anticipated the consequences of what it saw as the almost inevitable "embarrassing defeat" for Palin, who endorsed Miller in June.

Political watchers appeared to have had good reason to write Miller off. Polls showed incumbent Senator Lisa Murkowski ahead by more than 30 percent.

And after all, Palin and the Miller campaign were so eager to latch onto any news that might be perceived as remotely encouraging that they touted as reason for hope a Tea Party Express-commissioned poll, which still showed Miller trailing Murkowski by double digits.

With only nine of Alaska's 438 precincts still left to report as of late Wednesday morning in Alaska, Miller was leading Murkowski by a margin of 51 percent to 49 percent, or just under 2,000 votes.

According to the Anchorage Daily News, it will be more than a week before the final results trickle in, and 7,600 still uncounted absentee ballots had been returned as of Monday night.

Murkowski still has hope that the final precincts left to be counted will tilt heavily in her favor. The uncounted ballots are presumably located in the Alaska "bush," extremely isolated villages where voters benefit more than anywhere else in the country from federal spending projects that Miller had vowed to confront.

Still, even if Murkowski is able to eke out a victory, Miller's tremendously strong showing is yet another example of Sarah Palin's consistent ability to shock political insiders by showing off her still underestimated political instincts.

Even before the results poured in, Murkowski revealed her frustration with the impact that Palin had on the race in an interview with The Daily Beast's Shushannah Walshe, who spoke to the incumbent senator at a last-minute Murkowski rally in Wasilla.

Murkowski was miffed by Palin's anti-Murkowski language in a Facebook note she posted on Friday, particularly the former GOP vice presidential nominee's jab at her father Frank, whom Palin defeated in the 2006 GOP gubernatorial primary.

"All of a sudden, it was like, wait a minute, if you are taking me on because you don't think I'm conservative enough that's one thing, but are you now suggesting that Frank Murkowski was not conservative enough and why are you looping him on this?" Murkowski told Walshe. "All of a sudden it became a little more personal."

Though Miller's strong showing was by far her crowning achievement of the night, both politically and personally, four other Palin-endorsed candidates won in other states.

Her successes in Tuesday's primaries should mute criticisms that Palin had lost her endorsement mojo, after a series of candidates she backed in recent primaries fell short.

It might be tempting to wonder whether Murkowski did not take Miller's campaign seriously enough, but the incumbent carried on a busy campaign schedule across the state, even before Palin's endorsement of Miller.

"We've been going hard," Murkowski spokesperson Steve Wackowski told RealClearPolitics on Sunday, adding that Murkowski enjoyed being out on the campaign trail so frequently.

Yes, the Murkowski campaign may have made a mistake by not utilizing its vastly superior war chest to go negative on Miller. And yes, there was a parental notification abortion ballot measure in Alaska that likely brought out additional Miller voters in a primary with relatively weak voter turnout.

But make no mistake: if Miller holds on to defeat Murkowski, who was widely considered to be Alaska's most popular politician in-state, it will be perceived as a resounding display of Palin's unique political sway, particularly in Republican primaries.

Scott Conroy covers the White House for RealClearPolitics. He can be reached at sconroy@realclearpolitics.com.

[Soul Crusher]

Voters: The party's over
Last Updated: 4:58 AM, August 26, 2010
www.nypost.com
Posted: 2:53 AM, August 26, 2010

Charles Hurt - Inside Washington


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WASHINGTON -- Voters desperate for an alternative to both parties in Washington got another dose of good news in this week's primaries.

In Florida and, it appears, also in Alaska, Republican voters once again sent a chilling message to their own party leadership in Washington.

No, they cannot stomach the untethered liberalism of Democrats in Washington any longer. But nor can they stand the GOP recklessness we saw the last time the "conservative" party was in power.

That Republican Party of yore and the Donkeys of present are enough to send shudders through any sensible person who cares about the future of this country.

Both are enough to make sick anyone who in tough times has set austere priorities, dispatched with luxuries, and scrounged to save up enough to send their children to college.

The sacrifices and tough decisions that have dominated the lives of most Americans these last few years have been completely absent here in the city of free money -- regardless of who is in charge.

That is because both parties are playing a fearsome game of fiscal chicken -- with your money, of course.

Democrats believe that if they saddle taxpayers with enough obligations to provide enough free stuff to enough people, the country will riot if anyone ever tries to rein in the wild spending.

Republicans, meanwhile, believe that bankrupting the country with unpaid-for wars and tax cuts will force the government to collapse and become smaller.

Both tactics are as deplorable as they are dishonest.

Fed up, Republican voters are not done cleaning house.

In Florida, conservative insider Bill McCollum got beaten for the Republican nomination for governor by a conservative party outsider promising to shake things up with his own money.

In Alaska, sitting GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski is on the ropes, narrowly trailing Joe Miller, a conservative ally of Sarah Palin.

Sweet justice for a woman who first "earned" her seat the old-fashioned Republican way -- her daddy handed it to her.

Okay, so maybe Palin scares us all a little bit. This is understandable.

She is less than sophisticated when it comes to answering tough geopolitical questions we expect our leaders to know all about.

She talks a little too much in public about her intimacy with powerful rifles and the bloody chore of field-dressing a moose.

And it is a little worrisome that one of the most appealing things about Sarah Palin is the people who hate her.

But it is those people -- in both parties -- who are the very authors of the fat, corrupt, bureaucratic disaster that has become our federal government.

We have all certainly supported political figures for worse reasons.

churt@nypost.com



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/voters_the_party_over_95qMUTecVghePtbOqHbwaM#ixzz0xiYIjua8


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This guy hated Palin and is seeing the light. 

By 2012 - the hacks in both parties like Obama/Pelosi/Reid/McConnell, mcCain, Graham need to be deported for treason. 

[dario73]

six more years of obama,when you nutjobs run palin

Except, it would be as if he wasn't in office since Congress will be controlled by the Republicans.

[dario73]

yea the repubs are going to make a difference,you keep telling yourself that

They can't do any worse than the garbage that is in control right now.

[dario73]

I wonder if people were using the N-word more the day after she defended Dr laura for using the word 11 times on the phone with a black caller.

I doubt it discouraged blacks from using the word to describe each other. I don't understand why they get offensive since they call like to call each other black. Who are they to have a monopoly on the use of the word?

[Soul Crusher]

More women in political spotlight, but gap remains
June 9, 2010 picture, Meg Whitman, left, winner of the Republican nomination …

"We don't know what the future holds" AP .

By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer David Crary, Ap National Writer – Wed Aug 25, 4:29 pm ET

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NEW YORK – The suffragists who 90 years ago won voting rights for women would likely shake their heads in wonder at this election, with its "mama grizzly" candidates and high-stakes woman-vs.-woman showdowns.

The women in key races include a rancher and three multimillionaire former CEOs, one a pro wrestling magnate. Two frontier states — Oklahoma and New Mexico — seem assured of electing their first female governor after both major parties nominated women.

Yet in spite of celebrations planned Thursday for Women's Equality Day, marking the adoption of the 19th Amendment in 1920, American women's share of high-level political power still lags behind scores of other nations.

Women hold only 17 percent of the seats in Congress — well below Europe's 22 percent and far behind the Nordic countries' 42 percent — and the major parties have yet to nominate a woman for president. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign for the Democratic nomination in 2008 collected 18 million votes but still fell short of victory.

"The handful of women that you see near the top is just that — a handful," said Erin Vilardi of the White House Project, which seeks to expand women's role in politics.

"At the congressional level, both parties have a hell of a lot of work to do," Vilardi said. "The culture is still very dominantly male."

Among the notable developments in this year's campaign is the emergence of numerous charismatic, conservative women running as Republicans.

In California, wealthy businesswomen Meg Whitman, the ex-CEO of eBay, and Carly Fiorina, ex-CEO of Hewlett-Packard, are the GOP nominees for governor and Senate.

Fiorina is the first Republican woman to take on the Democratic incumbent, Barbara Boxer, since Boxer entered the Senate in 1992, and the race has captured national attention.

In South Dakota, the race for the state's lone House seat pits the incumbent Democrat, Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin, against Republican legislator Kristi Noem — both of them working moms who grew up on farms. Noem, who helps her husband run a ranch, is one of several GOP woman candidates dubbed "mama grizzlies" because of traits shared with Sarah Palin, the party's 2008 vice presidential nominee and a political star who's been doling out endorsements this year.

In Minnesota's 6th District, the conservative Republican incumbent, outspoken Tea Party favorite Michele Bachmann, is being challenged by Democratic State Sen. Tarryl Clark in what could be one of the nation's most expensive House races.

In New Mexico, Democrat Diane Denish, the lieutenant governor since 2003, is competing for governor against the GOP's Susana Martinez, a Latina district attorney who has drawn attention for her tough stance on illegal immigration.

In Oklahoma, Republican U.S. Rep. Mary Fallin, who's been endorsed by Palin, is favored in the governor's race over Democratic Lt. Gov. Jari Askins.

According to the Center for American Women in Politics at Rutgers University, there have been only two other woman-vs.-woman gubernatorial contests in U.S. history — in Nebraska in 1986 and Hawaii in 2002.

Florida could join New Mexico and Oklahoma is electing its first woman governor — if Democratic nominee Alex Sink can win in November.

One of the most distinctive female candidates is the GOP nominee for U.S. Senate in Connecticut, Linda McMahon, former CEO of the World Wrestling Entertainment empire that she and her husband developed. McMahon, who says she'll spend up to $50 million of her own money on the race, was nicknamed "Crotch-kicker" in a statement from the Democratic National Committee.

In Colorado, the issue of male chauvinism surfaced in the campaign for the GOP Senate nomination. Ken Buck — a prosecutor with a strong Tea Party following — prevailed despite criticism for saying he should be backed over rival Jane Norton "because I do not wear high heels."

Worldwide, women hold 19 percent of the seats in national legislatures, according to the Inter-Parliamentary Union. Its rankings of 186 nations — based on percentage of women in the single or lower chamber of the legislature — has the U.S. tied for 90th with Turkmenistan.

Women have held the top government post in dozens of countries — including Germany, Britain, Australia, Argentina, Israel, India and Turkey.

Several Women's Equality Day events are planned across the country Thursday.

In California, a great, great, great granddaughter of suffragist leader Elizabeth Cady Stanton will address a rally near the statehouse in Sacramento. In New York, the Susan B. Anthony List — it backs female candidates opposed to abortion — will host a forum on "pro-life feminism."

Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, said the surge of women running as anti-abortion conservatives reflected a "war over who gets to define what feminism means."

"There's an unsettling of the political apple cart," Dannenfelser said. "Sarah Palin kicked the door open, and a lot of women started going through."

Elsewhere in New York, several women's rights leaders and liberal members of Congress will be speaking at a ceremony renaming a U.S. post office in Queens after Geraldine Ferraro, who in 1984 became the first woman to run for vice president on a major party ticket.

Among the scheduled speakers is Terry O'Neill, president of the National Organization for Women, who said Ferraro's poise and toughness had inspired many women to go into politics.

However, O'Neill described the percentage of women in Congress as "abysmal" and said the United States should be ashamed that it's one of only seven U.N. members — in company with Iran and Sudan — that hasn't ratified a 30-year-old women's rights treaty, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women.

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Sarah is going help kick the crap of the communist left in November. 

[240 is Back]

More women in political spotlight, but gap remains

I am trying to think of times in modern history where a less qualified woman was selected for a position, just for her gender.

[Soul Crusher]

I am trying to think of times in modern history where a less qualified woman was selected for a position, just for her gender.

Boxer, McCarthy, Carnahan, Pelosi, et al. 

[240 is Back]

Boxer, McCarthy, Carnahan, Pelosi, et al. 

good call.  I never bought into that "cracks in the glass ceiling" rhetoric.

Choose the MOST QUALIFIED person.

[Soul Crusher]

good call.  I never bought into that "cracks in the glass ceiling" rhetoric.

Choose the MOST QUALIFIED person.

240 - I was going to start a thread on this - why do you think most women are not interested in politics all that much? 

I mean look at these boards - its 100% male. 

[Dos Equis]

Murkowski Loss Would Make Palin GOP's No. 1 Kingmaker
Wednesday, 25 Aug 2010     
By: David A. Patten

Incumbent GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski's stunning setback in Alaska sends a powerful message to political insiders in both parties: Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is now the GOP's clear No. 1 kingmaker.

Upstart candidate Joe Miller, who made a lightning-fast rise in the polls following Palin's endorsement and robo calls, credited Palin for his primary shocker.

"I'm absolutely certain that was pivotal," he told The Anchorage Daily News.

With an estimated 98 percent of the vote tallied — and with thousands of absentee ballots yet to be counted — Miller leads Murkowski by 1,960 votes.

Political pundits suggest the outcome elevates Palin to unique status within the Republican Party.

"Clearly Sarah Palin is the most influential Republican in America," Democratic pollster and Fox News commentator Douglas Schoen tells Newsmax. "That much is clear as the primary season winds down. And Palin clearly is the candidate who will generate the most enthusiasm if she runs in 2012."

Miller appeared to come out of nowhere in the campaign's closing days. A poll that RT Nielsen released Friday showed Murkowski still leading Miller by a strong margin, 47 percent to 35 percent.

The Murkowski and Palin families are considered rivals in Alaska politics. Murkowski blasted Palin's involvement in the race on Tuesday.

"I think she's out for her own self-interest," Murkowski told the Daily News Tuesday. "I don't think she's out for Alaska's interest."

Whether Murkowski can prevail somehow is far from clear. The Alaska Division of Elections received more than 16,000 requests for absentee ballots. Of those, 7,600 had been recorded as returned as of Monday.

The first of several sessions to count those ballots has been scheduled for Aug. 31.

But regardless of the final outcome, the surprisingly close election has garnered Palin a new level of respect among political insiders.

Nor is her influence seen as limited to her home state — her endorsement was considered a key factor in shoring up Sen. John McCain's right flank in his primary victory Tuesday over former Congressman J.D. Hayworth in Arizona.

"Looks like Miller won," political analyst and Fox News commentator Dick Morris tells Newsmax. "Palin's victory in Alaska is very impressive.

"She had defeated Murkowski's father for governor in a Republican primary, and just defeated the daughter in a Senate primary," Morris says. "I think she also played a key role in helping build sentiment about McCain moving to the right, and tying him in with the tea party movement. She made him look like less of a RINO. Both wins demonstrate her power."

Commentator and syndicated columnist Patrick J. Buchanan called the result "astonishing" on MSNBC Wednesday morning.

"Lisa Murkowski is a fairly popular senator from Alaska who settled in," he said. "And after the death of Ted Stevens, it looked like she was a winner.
And Sarah Palin steps in, and this fella who's relatively unknown nationally, is known in Alaska, can put him not only in the competition but maybe into the Senate race itself — this is very, very dramatic."

Miller also received a key endorsement from the grassroots-conservative Tea Party Express.

Susan A. MacManus, a political science professor at the University of South Florida, cautions that Palin's influence appears to vary from state to state.

Palin played a major role in Nikki Haley's triumph in South Carolina, for example, but her endorsement wasn't enough to propel Karen Handel over Rep. Nathan Deal in the race for Georgia governor.

But MacManus says the result shows Palin "definitely has clout."

"She's become the best at mobilizing grass-roots Republican voters," MacManus tells Newsmax. "She's great at coming into a place and raising money and getting people's attention and raising money for a candidate she's endorsing.

"She's keeping that anti-Washington message alive for Republican candidates all the way up and down the ballot. Because it is true people are looking at this election through the lens of how they're looking at Washington."

If Murkowski loses, she would be the seventh congressional incumbent to lose in a primary this year — a clear signal that voters aren't pleased with the policies coming out of Washington.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/sarah-palin-miller-murkowski/2010/08/25/id/368386

[Option D]

I wonder if people were using the N-word more the day after she defended Dr laura for using the word 11 times on the phone with a black caller.

Reload...she says...as if 11 wasnt enough...

but then...Dude says Retard...and "boom...fire him"...epic double standards..

[Soul Crusher]

Both Beck and Palin are huge winners after Beck got about 300-500k people on the mall. 

See you clowns in November. 

[Dos Equis]

Palin power.   


Tea Party Express & Palin big winners in Alaska
Posted: September 1st, 2010
From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

The Tea Party Express spent nearly $600,000 to help Joe Miller defeater Senator Lisa Murkowski in the Alaska Republican Senate primary.

(CNN) - Joe Miller's the upset winner of the Republican Senate primary in Alaska, but the Tea Party Express and Sarah Palin are also victorious.

The Tea Party Express, a leading Tea Party organization, endorsed Miller earlier this year and poured nearly $600,000 to help the little known candidate defeat Sen. Lisa Murkowski, a brand name in Alaska. The group says more than two-thirds of the money was spent in the final two weeks of the campaign leading up to the August 24 primary. That included producing and airing TV and radio ads in the state in behalf of Miller in the closing weeks.

Tea Party Express is one of the most recognized national Tea Party organizations thanks to its three high-profile bus caravans and rallies. The group, based in Sacramento, California, has also become a major player in Republican party politics, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on ads for Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown in Massachusetts, who in January upset Democrat Martha Coakley in a special election to fill the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's seat.


More recently, the organization helped the little-known Sharron Angle win the Republican primary in Nevada, endorsing her and spending about a half-million dollars on ads. Angle now faces off in the general election against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the top Democrat in the chamber.

Tea Party Express, along with other Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations, also targeted incumbent Republican Sen. Bob Bennett in Utah for his vote on the Troubled Assets Relief Program and helped defeat his bid for a fourth term. Tea Party Express then backed underdog Mike Lee's successful primary campaign in Utah and Lee now appears to be heavily favored to win the general election in November and join the Senate next year.

But not all the news has been positive. Earlier this summer, the National Tea Party Federation, which seeks to represent the Tea Party political movement around the country, expelled the Tea Party Express because of an inflammatory blog post one of its leaders, Mark Williams, wrote responding to criticism of the Tea Party movement from the NAACP. The story made national headlines and Williams later stepped down as spokesman for Tea Party Express.

The group is now focusing on Delaware, which holds its primary on September 14. This week Tea Party Express announced it will spending at least $250,000 to go up with commercials in support of Christine O'Donnell, who is facing off against Rep. Mike Castle in the battle for Delaware's GOP Senate nomination.

Castle is a popular nine-term congressman and former two-term governor who's considered much more moderate than O'Donnell, a conservative commentator and marketing consultant who ran unsuccessfully for the Senate in 2006 and 2008.

The winner of the primary will face off in November against New Castle County Executive Chris Coons, the presumptive Democratic nominee, in the battle to fill the final four years of Vice President Joe Biden's final term. Biden stepped down from the Senate after his election in November 2008 as vice president. Former Biden aide Ted Kaufman was named as an interim replacement. Kaufman is not running for a full term.

Miller's victory is also a big win for Palin.

In early June, the former Alaska governor and the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee, endorsed Miller, putting out statements on her Facebook page and Twitter feed. In backing Miller, Palin said at that time that there was no "feud or bad blood" between herself and Murkoswki, but their differences have been well-documented. Palin captured the governorship in 2006 after defeating then-Gov. Frank Murkowski, Lisa's father, in that year's Republican primary. And when Palin quit as governor last summer, Murkowski said she was "deeply disappointed" and accused Palin of abandoning the state.

In the weekend before the primary, a recording of Palin urging Alaskans to vote for Miller was blasted to Republican voters by robocall across the state.

Many statewide candidates that Palin's endorsed have done quite well in this year's Republican primaries. Miller was one of three Palin-backed state-wide candidates running in the August 24 primaries who went onto victory.

She also endorsed Arizona Sen. John McCain – the former presidential candidate who rocketed Palin to stardom in 2008 when he selected her as his running mate. Though members of the Tea Party movement lined up against the longtime Arizona senator, Palin stayed loyal to McCain and appeared at a campaign event with him in March. Addressing long-standing concern among conservatives McCain is too centrist, Palin said the Arizona senator is driven by "common sense conservative principles" and touted his steadfast opposition to the Obama administration.

McCain beat former Rep. J.D. Hayworth by more than 30 points.

In the race for Florida attorney general, Palin backed Pam Bondi, a Tampa prosecutor who faced the better-known Lt. Gov. Jeff Kottkamp for the job. Palin's endorsement of Bondi came only one week ago and even surprised Bondi herself, who had no advance notice the former Alaska governor would take to her Facebook page to back the campaign. Bondi came out on top in a three candidate field.

But the hat trick of victories followed a string of losses earlier this month by candidates Palin endorsed in statewide Republican primaries. She backed Tea Party activist and former NFL player Clint Didier, who was easily defeated by Dino Rossi for the Senate nomination in Washington State. And Wyoming State Auditor Rita Meyer, who had Palin's backing, narrowly lost her bid for the GOP gubernatorial nomination.

Earlier in the month Palin campaigned in person with former Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel, who lost a runoff to former Rep. Nathan Deal for the state's Republican nomination for governor.

Palin also endorsed Rep. Todd Tiahrt, who was defeated by Rep. Jerry Moran in the battle for the Senate nomination in Kansas.

Those defeats followed a string of victories for Palin, who earlier in the primary season successfully backed statewide candidates such as Nikki Haley in South Carolina, Terry Branstad in Iowa, and Susana Martinez in New Mexico, who all won gubernatorial nominations, and Carly Fiorina in California and Rand Paul in Kentucky, who captured Senate nominations.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/01/tea-party-express-palin-big-winners-in-alaska/#more-120265

[Soul Crusher]

Palin, for all her faults is a warrior and knows how to win. 

What she lacks in strict technical understanding of every issue, she makes up for with heart, guts, balls, and drive. 

Not that i support her for Prez, but i am glad she is on the side of the people I usually find most to my liking.   

[Dos Equis]

I don't think she'll run for president.  I don't think she should.  But no denying she is a major player. 

[Soul Crusher]

I don't think she'll run for president.  I don't think she should.  But no denying she is a major player. 

I don't care what anyone says, I like her alot. 

She is a fighter, a scrapper, a warrior, and has balls. 

She won't apologize to our enemies, she will kill them and feed the entrails to the family of the dead. 

[240 is Back]

She won't apologize to our enemies, she will kill them and feed the entrails to the family of the dead. 

what about the 20 million enemies who have already breached our border?

She's all for letting them stay...

[BM OUT]

what about the 20 million enemies who have already breached our border?

She's all for letting them stay...

So is Obama and your a big supporter of his.By the way care to defend your supposed candidate Bob Barrs views?

Libertarian Party contender for president Bob Barr was interviewed by Neal Boortz a few days ago, and the audio and a partial transcript is here. Part of the conversation involved immigration matters, and based on that I have trouble seeing any major difference between Barr's positions and those of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, George Bush, Teddy Kennedy, and on down the line. In fact, it's like his campaign was the recipient of a blank cardboard box with just the word "POLICY" stenciled on it.

On the audio, he implies that he supports a form of amnesty where illegal aliens who are caught in the interior, as long as they passed a background check, would get to remain. He doesn't specify whether that would be as a "guest" worker or whether they'd get on the "path to citizenship". Asked about this, he says:

"I think as a practical matter, that makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure how you would go about rounding up millions of people and trying to deport them. The key here is security..."

Now, compare that to BHO:

"We are not going to send [illegal aliens] home... I want us to have an honest conversation about this." ...Mr. Obama said many illegals have "settled," "bought property" and have children who are U.S. citizens. He said the country would have to devote "all our law enforcement resources to rounding up people without papers, even if they weren't causing any trouble," and once that's done, the country would have to "empty out our jails..." ..."Imagine what that would look like, basically detaining, putting in jail 12 million people. We're not going to do that..."

And, in fact, all of those listed above have made similar arguments. And, all of those arguments are wrong: they offer a false choice and fail to note other alternatives such as attrition. Under that plan we'd enforce the laws now and reduce non-emergency benefits to illegal aliens, causing many to leave voluntarily. Neither an amnesty nor mass deportations would be required.

Barr also said that neither the Dems nor the GOP are making border security a priority. To a large extent that's false, since the leaders of both parties supported "comprehensive immigration reform" and all three major candidates support some form of border enforcement, or at least pretend to.

As a political matter, Barr's position makes little sense (unless there's "something else" involved). He doesn't seem to have an ideological standpoint on this issue, and aside from using them to get the nomination there's little reason for him to reach out to the extremist libertarians on this issue. On the other hand, there's nothing to differentiate him from the three major candidates on immigration, an issue that many people care about and that the vast majority of Americans would care about if someone were able to explain everything involved in this issue.

Barr is also going to face a lot of heat from the GOP; see for instance Sean Hannity's attempts to portray him as someone who'd like to make crack and heroin legal. He's going to be ferociously attacked by he has no effective way to fight back against McCain. McCain's weakest point is immigration, yet he can't attack him on that issue since their positions are basically the same.

If Barr saw the light and decided to very aggressively go after all three major candidates on this issue he could have a very powerful impact on the presidential race. He'd have to explain everything involved, including topics that are frequently ignored such as the political power that foreign governments have been able to obtain inside the U.S. and the fact that illegal immigration is an indicator of political corruption. He'd also have to deflect attacks from those who support illegal activity, but that really isn't that difficult. And, he'd have to aggressively attack his opponents on this issue such as by sending his representatives to their campaign events to ask them embarrassing questions designed to point out the hugely obvious flaws in their policies and designed to discredit them.

However, based on what I've seen so far it looks like Barr isn't going to run an "insurgent" campaign but simply one designed with other goals in mind.

5/17/08 UPDATE: Barr appeared on the Glenn Beck show a few days ago and continued to sound as sleazy and misleading as his opponents as well as other hacks who support massive and/or illegal immigration. Asked whether he'd "ship [illegal aliens] home or not", Barr said:

When you find them, you ship them home, absolutely.

What Barr forgot to mention was that, based on what he's said earlier, that would only occur after having granted an amnesty, and he's only referring to those who came after the amnesty or those who didn't take part in the amnesty. He then said that he'd fine employers and was asked about the border fence. He said he wouldn't build it:

First of all, I think it would be terribly costly. And whatever border fence you build, people are going to find a way to get around it, go under it, go over it, somehow... I think it would look absolutely awful. And even though it`s a fence to keep people from coming in, as opposed to the Berlin wall, it gives the same impression. Not the impression I want to give the world about America.

Needless to say, it's not difficult to find other hacks saying

[dario73]

Damn!  What say you 240?  You are better off deflecting by putting a Palin video showing her fumbling a word.