Palin also a big winner Tuesday

[240 is Back]

[Soul Crusher]

Damn!  What say you 240?  You are better off deflecting by putting a Palin video showing her fumbling a word.

I have said from Day 1, Palin is by far not my first choice, its Thune.   However, she loves this country and is not a communist POFS like Obama.  She won't bow to our enemies.  she won't apologize to our enemies.  She wont sue states enforcing immigration laws.  She wont defame and defile the memory of 911 vicitims, etc.    

[Dos Equis]

So is Obama and your a big supporter of his.By the way care to defend your supposed candidate Bob Barrs views?

Libertarian Party contender for president Bob Barr was interviewed by Neal Boortz a few days ago, and the audio and a partial transcript is here. Part of the conversation involved immigration matters, and based on that I have trouble seeing any major difference between Barr's positions and those of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, George Bush, Teddy Kennedy, and on down the line. In fact, it's like his campaign was the recipient of a blank cardboard box with just the word "POLICY" stenciled on it.

On the audio, he implies that he supports a form of amnesty where illegal aliens who are caught in the interior, as long as they passed a background check, would get to remain. He doesn't specify whether that would be as a "guest" worker or whether they'd get on the "path to citizenship". Asked about this, he says:

"I think as a practical matter, that makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure how you would go about rounding up millions of people and trying to deport them. The key here is security..."

Now, compare that to BHO:

"We are not going to send [illegal aliens] home... I want us to have an honest conversation about this." ...Mr. Obama said many illegals have "settled," "bought property" and have children who are U.S. citizens. He said the country would have to devote "all our law enforcement resources to rounding up people without papers, even if they weren't causing any trouble," and once that's done, the country would have to "empty out our jails..." ..."Imagine what that would look like, basically detaining, putting in jail 12 million people. We're not going to do that..."

And, in fact, all of those listed above have made similar arguments. And, all of those arguments are wrong: they offer a false choice and fail to note other alternatives such as attrition. Under that plan we'd enforce the laws now and reduce non-emergency benefits to illegal aliens, causing many to leave voluntarily. Neither an amnesty nor mass deportations would be required.

Barr also said that neither the Dems nor the GOP are making border security a priority. To a large extent that's false, since the leaders of both parties supported "comprehensive immigration reform" and all three major candidates support some form of border enforcement, or at least pretend to.

As a political matter, Barr's position makes little sense (unless there's "something else" involved). He doesn't seem to have an ideological standpoint on this issue, and aside from using them to get the nomination there's little reason for him to reach out to the extremist libertarians on this issue. On the other hand, there's nothing to differentiate him from the three major candidates on immigration, an issue that many people care about and that the vast majority of Americans would care about if someone were able to explain everything involved in this issue.

Barr is also going to face a lot of heat from the GOP; see for instance Sean Hannity's attempts to portray him as someone who'd like to make crack and heroin legal. He's going to be ferociously attacked by he has no effective way to fight back against McCain. McCain's weakest point is immigration, yet he can't attack him on that issue since their positions are basically the same.

If Barr saw the light and decided to very aggressively go after all three major candidates on this issue he could have a very powerful impact on the presidential race. He'd have to explain everything involved, including topics that are frequently ignored such as the political power that foreign governments have been able to obtain inside the U.S. and the fact that illegal immigration is an indicator of political corruption. He'd also have to deflect attacks from those who support illegal activity, but that really isn't that difficult. And, he'd have to aggressively attack his opponents on this issue such as by sending his representatives to their campaign events to ask them embarrassing questions designed to point out the hugely obvious flaws in their policies and designed to discredit them.

However, based on what I've seen so far it looks like Barr isn't going to run an "insurgent" campaign but simply one designed with other goals in mind.

5/17/08 UPDATE: Barr appeared on the Glenn Beck show a few days ago and continued to sound as sleazy and misleading as his opponents as well as other hacks who support massive and/or illegal immigration. Asked whether he'd "ship [illegal aliens] home or not", Barr said:

When you find them, you ship them home, absolutely.

What Barr forgot to mention was that, based on what he's said earlier, that would only occur after having granted an amnesty, and he's only referring to those who came after the amnesty or those who didn't take part in the amnesty. He then said that he'd fine employers and was asked about the border fence. He said he wouldn't build it:

First of all, I think it would be terribly costly. And whatever border fence you build, people are going to find a way to get around it, go under it, go over it, somehow... I think it would look absolutely awful. And even though it`s a fence to keep people from coming in, as opposed to the Berlin wall, it gives the same impression. Not the impression I want to give the world about America.

Needless to say, it's not difficult to find other hacks saying

Wait.  So the person 240 allegedly voted for (Barr) supports amnesty? 

[Soul Crusher]

Yes, but 240's cred is already shot on many other issues already. 

[240 is Back]

Yes, but 240's cred is already shot on many other issues already. 

word.

[Soul Crusher]

word.

Stim Bill - FAIL
ObamaCare - FAIL 
KSM Triasls in NYC - FAIL
GZ mosque - FAIL 

[blacken700]

Palin, for all her faults is a warrior and knows how to win. 

What she lacks in strict technical understanding of every issue, she makes up for with heart, guts, balls, and drive. 

Not that i support her for Prez, but i am glad she is on the side of the people I usually find most to my liking.   

yea and she quit as gov. ,great heart, guts, balls, and driveand a warrior

[Soul Crusher]

yea and she quit as gov. ,great heart, guts, balls, and driveand a warrior

Miller, Rand Paul, Hailey, etc. 

Blacken - you have no clue how bad the left is going to get smacked down in November. 

[MCWAY]

yea and she quit as gov. ,great heart, guts, balls, and driveand a warrior

She left, because she didn't want to waste her people's money, fending off stupid lawsuits from left-winged goofies.

Had they left her alone, she wouldn't be causing them all the consternation that she is. But, NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! They had to anger Mama Grizzly.

If I were a gambling man, I'd bet $100 that the left-wing buffoons WISHED they'd left Palin alone and let her finish her term as governor in peace.

[Soul Crusher]

She left, because she didn't want to waste her people's money, fending off stupid lawsuits from left-winged goofies.

Had they left her alone, she wouldn't be causing them all the consternation that she is. But, NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! They had to anger Mama Grizzly.

If I were a gambling man, I'd bet $100 that the left-wing buffoons WISHED they'd left Palin alone and let her finish her term as governor in peace.

Wrong, the left secretely, and now openly, admits they wish sarah were on their side. 

[BM OUT]

240 did not support Bob Barr,this is his story but it's obvious he supported Obama.Bob Barr ran on the libertarian ticket but his entire policy position on every issue is lock step the same as McCains and Palins other then the war in Iraq.However,for years he was a hawk while in congress and was late to the party in opposing the Iraq war.On every other issue he and McCAIN are the same.

So,while 240 rails against RINOS he says he supported a guy who was one of the biggest rinos in congress for years.A guy who was a ring leader in the war on drugs,opposed abortion,for amnesty,it goes on and on and on.

So,240 claims to be a libertarian,or at least says he supports them,but votes for a guy that is opposite of a libertarian.The conclusion is obvious,he is an Obama supporter.

[blacken700]

She left, because she didn't want to waste her people's money, fending off stupid lawsuits from left-winged goofies.

Had they left her alone, she wouldn't be causing them all the consternation that she is. But, NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! They had to anger Mama Grizzly.

If I were a gambling man, I'd bet $100 that the left-wing buffoons WISHED they'd left Palin alone and let her finish her term as governor in peace.

[Soul Crusher]

Are you capable of making an argument?

Yes or no?   

[BM OUT]

So Palin quit and thats a big deal but Obama quit being a community organiser after his tranny wife said "Barack has sacrificed like no other man".What is the difference?

[Soul Crusher]

So Palin quit and thats a big deal but Obama quit being a community organiser after his tranny wife said "Barack has sacrificed like no other man".What is the difference?

I hope Obama keeps his cigarette and alcohol addicition.  maybe he can take medical leave and let Biden take over. 

[blacken700]

palin 2012,  she can see russia from her house

[Soul Crusher]

palin 2012,  she can see russia from her house

Moron - that is not even what she said, and what she did actually say was factually correct about the northern most islands' promixity to the closest Island of russian territory. 

But don't let geography, reality, facts, or anything resembling common sense deter you from your nonsense. 

See you in November fool. 

[Dos Equis]

240 did not support Bob Barr,this is his story but it's obvious he supported Obama.Bob Barr ran on the libertarian ticket but his entire policy position on every issue is lock step the same as McCains and Palins other then the war in Iraq.However,for years he was a hawk while in congress and was late to the party in opposing the Iraq war.On every other issue he and McCAIN are the same.

So,while 240 rails against RINOS he says he supported a guy who was one of the biggest rinos in congress for years.A guy who was a ring leader in the war on drugs,opposed abortion,for amnesty,it goes on and on and on.

So,240 claims to be a libertarian,or at least says he supports them,but votes for a guy that is opposite of a libertarian.The conclusion is obvious,he is an Obama supporter.

I do recall him saying on the board that he was probably going to vote for a Democrat in 08. 

[240 is Back]

I like most of palin's 2010 positions.  I didn't like her 2008 positions.

And I sure don't like her 2010 pro-amnesty position.

I like thune.  He's like a Palin with a brain, it's cool.

[blacken700]

great fucking answer

[BM OUT]

I like most of palin's 2010 positions.  I didn't like her 2008 positions.

And I sure don't like her 2010 pro-amnesty position.

I like thune.  He's like a Palin with a brain, it's cool.

But you claim to have voted for Bob Barr who supports amnesty.I dont get it.

[Soul Crusher]

great fucking answer

Fool - take out a fucking map for once in your pathetic miserable communist life and you will see she was correct.  

[Dos Equis]

And I sure don't like her 2010 pro-amnesty position.

 

So is Obama and your a big supporter of his.By the way care to defend your supposed candidate Bob Barrs views?

Libertarian Party contender for president Bob Barr was interviewed by Neal Boortz a few days ago, and the audio and a partial transcript is here. Part of the conversation involved immigration matters, and based on that I have trouble seeing any major difference between Barr's positions and those of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, George Bush, Teddy Kennedy, and on down the line. In fact, it's like his campaign was the recipient of a blank cardboard box with just the word "POLICY" stenciled on it.

On the audio, he implies that he supports a form of amnesty where illegal aliens who are caught in the interior, as long as they passed a background check, would get to remain. He doesn't specify whether that would be as a "guest" worker or whether they'd get on the "path to citizenship". Asked about this, he says:

"I think as a practical matter, that makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure how you would go about rounding up millions of people and trying to deport them. The key here is security..."

[Soul Crusher]

240 is now forever banned from saying a word about Palin on illegals after this. 

[blacken700]

are you telling me you would want her going to other countries and talking for this country. oooooboy what the fuck have we come to