I'm all in fellas...

[Van_Bilderass]

Van Bilderass is another guy who acts like he is knowledgeable but is merely critical of others and has no real hypertrophy knowledge whatsoever. That doesn't stop him from being a self-styled expert. Wait, he is gh15 approved!

I've said many times that I'm not an expert, while acknowledging real experts, IMO, such as Lyle McDonald when it comes to nutritional science as well as training science.

You on the other hand keep implying you're an expert when you say "everyone's an expert" sarcastically. You can't see the forest for the trees. We don't need to have all the pathways involved in hypertrophy mapped out exactly! We know enough about what causes hypertrophy to know that training will not change much even with more research and knowledge. The most retarded thing you have said is that with the "perfect training program" a gifted man could win the Olympia natural in this day and age. I wonder if this is what SimplyHuge calls intelligence and logic.

Hehe. Van is one of the measured and phlegmatic members of this board. I can't remember him ever losing his cool with anyone. Congratulations Vince. Your cloying obtuseness pushed him over the edge.  

I'm still being cool and phlegmatic. I've called him a moron before.

I remember Basile from Lyle McDonald's forum and he's still the same years later. Did a quick search and this is what Lyle said about Basile attempting to explain his hypertrophy theory (from 2005):

Vince reminds me of Siff, able to pump out thousands of word without actually saying anything.

And masterful at avoiding direct questions of the "Ok, how exactly would you lay out training for someone" type.

Lyle

Like I said before, a Siffian strategy (I'll concur with Jon that at least Siff was smart): by never actually giving specifics about anything, you can prattle on forever without ever being pinned down to anything. It impresses a certain kind of rube, I imagine. Until someone asks for specifics and you watch them make a fool of themselves making excuses.

I think Vince just likes to 'see' himself talk. I can come up with no other explanation.

But he had multiple opportunities to answer very easy direct questions. He either won't or can't do it. That's troll behavior as far as I'm concerned, just talk in circles or as long as people will let him. Conclusion: ignore him until he decides to pony up something specific training wise.

Lyle

[Fatpanda]

please post a picture so we can see who the man behind the "mask" is so to speak.  Basile has posted his pics, so have i, so have others...so lets see if the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes. 

its nothing personal either, just that the attacks on vince b are without cause, and i find it humorous that people who have achieved less and are a lot less educated think they know so much more than someone who has been around a long time in the iron game.

are you for real - damage the sheath in the back of the arm ? hahahahahaha sounds like vince's machines are very bad quality

i knew you were stupid by the way you approach bodybuilders in toilets - then tell us about it, but falling for the nonsense vince comes out with really takes the cake.

[Van_Bilderass]

please post a picture so we can see who the man behind the "mask" is so to speak.  Basile has posted his pics, so have i, so have others...so lets see if the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes. 

its nothing personal either, just that the attacks on vince b are without cause, and i find it humorous that people who have achieved less and are a lot less educated think they know so much more than someone who has been around a long time in the iron game.

What does it matter what I look like? Proof of what? How is it relevant to what is discussed? Notice how Basile says a natural can look like a Mr Olympia when he's not a pro himself. How is it ok for him to comment on what it takes to turn pro when he isn't a pro nor has ever trained any natural who became an IFBB pro? Notice how I don't comment on how Basile looks, because it's not really relevant - he's just wrong period. I'm attacking his ideas, which are ridiculous. Or do you mean to tell me Vince might be right, that there might be a training program that allowed someone to beat Jay Cutler while lifetime natural?

Yes Vince has been around for a long time. That's the point, he should know better. Same as with Howard, a long time around the sport, Howard is even an official, yet he spews BS.

Regarding the DOMS, it's a long discussion but it's missing the forest for the trees.

[ManBearPig...]

Thank goodness that engineering, science and facts don't depend on the beliefs of muscleheads. I am no longer amazed at what guys who lift weights believe. Most of the time they embrace stuff picked up in the gym or via the magazines and now the internet. Like many other enterprises and hobbies a lot of the so-called web of knowledge available isn't solid. There are many beliefs circulating in gyms that are false. Free weights are superior is one such false belief. That doesn't stop legions of knuckleheads lifting those silly dumbbells and barbells. That is what they believe and that is what they will continue to believe and take to their graves.

Hapless Pellius is a genuine soul living in Hawaii. How many of us would like to live there, too, and have a perpetual summer and sunshine all the time? He has embraced the martial arts and this is important to him and something he values. When he competes he does so in weight classes so it pays to be strong but not heavy. That way you avoid fighting monsters who are like supermen. I imagine many bodybuilders also value having some definition and therefore seldom let themselves get fat. Therein lies a huge restriction or limit to hypertrophy. Such blokes will almost never gain much size or weight. If these guys are single then they also use up a lot of energy running around, etc.

The main limitation to most guys who train hard is getting sufficient calories to grow. If they lack calories then no amount of protein will help. These hapless 'hard gainers' then believe they need steroids to grow. When they try some gear they don't grow! Conclusion? They don't have the genetics! I doubt that anyone here knows what his genetic potential is. If you train properly and eat enough then you should grow. If you are not growing rapidly then you either are not training properly or are not eating enough or both.

The formula is simple but is probably beyond the rank Getbiggers who have their heads up the asses of pseudo experts like gh15. Most here are uninformed so wouldn't know a true theory if it fell on their head.

You're not one to push a plate away to risk hypertrophy, are you, you sausage tittied fat fuck!

[dr.chimps]

vince has some credibility...we know who he is...he won titles in bbing, has posted pics, has an engineering degree, has been in the game a long time. 

so far, you have posted NOTHING that gives any credibility to what you have to say...why should your opinion on vince's ideas matter to us?

Why does he need 'credibility' when he makes no vainglorious claims, doesn't prattle on, and backs up his points (when needed) with citations!?  

[Fatpanda]

pretty much all you do on getbig is follow people around trying to "put down" people and cause arguments.  why you seek out such conflict is beyond me.  as far as my intelligence goes, i dont think we would be on the same playing field if we were to compare our backgrounds or our education...

go on then einstein.  post your qualifications, and i'll do the same.

i trust you have more than 1 degree ? and can prove an iq over 130 ?

i'm sure i'm going to enjoy this.

[Fatpanda]

graduated #1 in my class for HS
graduated with a BS in engineering for college
worked for 3 years as an engineer at a very good job
recently enrolled back in school to start the med school program

wow me too 

is that all 

what is HS ? horse shit ?

[Fatpanda]

lol, "you too"  thats your response? 

i gotta run though.  going to lift.  be back later.

IQ of 132
1 Bsc in computing.
failed last placement in teaching - that could have been degree no2: BEd - i didn't like it though so i didn't resit it.
going for my BA nursing as of 2 weeks ago.
intend to go on and perhaps get Masters, and maybe even Phd.

however this means nothing in the grand scheme of things - they are pieces of paper nothing more.

i simply liked to point out to you that you are still stupid, not because i'm smarter but because you seem to think Vince is. 

[big L dawg]

oh yea...one more thing fatpanda...

i actually lift weights and have achieved results...please verify that you have done the same...with pics of course

2003 (18 years old)


2007 (22 years old)


2010 (25 years old)

nice calves...

[Tito24]

he doesnt believe in training calves. he said, it makes his upperbody look smaller.

[big L dawg]

he doesnt believe in training calves. he said, it makes his upperbody look smaller.

oh brother

[The Showstoppa]

oh brother

He also looked WAY better at 22 than 25.....needs to lower the dosage a bit.

[SS]

He also looked WAY better at 22 than 25.....needs to lower the dosage a bit.

I agree, but now he is just "simply huge"

[Tito24]

I agree, but now he is just "simply huge"

father?

[SS]

father?

Daughter?

[Fatpanda]

wiggs - whats happening ?

when are you starting this ?

you going to do a training and diet log not to mention gear log ?

before and monthly update shots ?

[Howard]

I'll bet your mom is proud of you now
Seriously, I would be interested to hear how this amount increased your mass and lowered your body fat%

I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle.  Why?


Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else.  I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...

With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin.  It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks.  I was looking pretty awesome.  Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.

My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...

So what are my goals?  My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:

Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg  - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera



Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24  t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ? At some point I will use DNP  I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs.  Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic.  I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.

I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage.  It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...

[Red Hook]

wiggs - whats happening ?

when are you starting this ?

you going to do a training and diet log not to mention gear log ?

before and monthly update shots ?

I PM'd him asking for a progress report..I too hopes that he keeps log/journal..lol, I don't think that I have any seen getbigger actually show progress and kept a journal

maybe Candizzle/tombz..I wanted Dov to do one

[Fatpanda]

has has went very quiet about this.

i think he's had second thoughts 

[benchmstr]

I PM'd him asking for a progress report..I too hopes that he keeps log/journal..lol, I don't think that I have any seen getbigger actually show progress and kept a journal

maybe Candizzle/tombz..I wanted Dov to do one

this is just some shit he said when he was high....he isnt going to do it...

bench

[myt1]

this is just some shit he said when he was high....he isnt going to do it...

bench

I'm feeling that way as well

[Wiggs]

Oh no sir gents...Santa's hasn't delivered my gifts yet...I'll be getting pharm grade GH so I'm really fucking excited!

I've decided since I'm 31 I'm going on GH year round now...


Howard, I'll take extensive notes and no-homo pics on every aspect including how I feel on them.
Panda, I'll start the Monday after the Mr. O.  I'll have detailed everything exclusive to getbig only   I'll have before pics and every pose, and pics every two weeks.  I have a detailed journal about diet, cardio, excercise and of course drugs.

I'll update the journal once a week...Trust me this aint a thing while I was high thing...this is the real deal...I'm shopping for a guru right now also..No Palumbo and no anyone I know more shit about then.

[myt1]

Oh no sir gents...Santa's hasn't delivered my gifts yet...I'll be getting pharm grade GH so I'm really fucking excited!

When does this occur?  Have you started training to take advantage of muscle memory and clean gains?

[Wiggs]

When does this occur?  Have you started training to take advantage of muscle memory and clean gains?

It occurs the beginning of Oct.


Yes, that's what I've been doing this month cause the last time I really lifted was back in April. I get everything back very fast.  Not changing the diet though.  I pretty much only eat when I'm high other than that not too much these days. I'll be on alot of shit I understand and I'm not suffering for no reason on some natural BS when all that shit I'll be on will melt it off when I'm dieting and doing all that.

[TacoBell]

Lol at a black guy keeping track of stuff