I'm all in fellas...

[War-Horse]

Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago.  At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i  want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........

The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own.  On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness.  The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.

I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.

Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin.   I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look.

[Wiggs]

Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago.  At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i  want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........

The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own.  On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness.  The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.

I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.

Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin.   I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look.

Send me all your shit then champ.

[Wiggs]

I'm tellin' you fellas this will be one of the more epic transformations...think about it...1.  Let's be real, I'm black +1.  Not to be a dick but you know what I mean in terms of bodybuilding. (Goodrum is an exception that fat guy regmac also.) 2.  I'm naturally very, very, strong and athletic. 3. No distractions, aka no kids just wife never a distraction before. I've been "off" for 3 years...I haven't trained consistently since April.4. All HG or Pharma grade shit EXCEPT Tren and EQ but I'll ensure I at least get some of the best shit out there...Pharma GH, HG test and deca.  I'm now 31 and starting to reach muscle maturity.  I'll stay on for 24 weeks take a break and get ready to compete at some point next year.

I'm gonna get some digestive enzymes and appetite stimulants cause I'm not a big eater...It's gonna be something special...As it progresses I'll get video footage.

[War-Horse]

I'm tellin' you fellas this will be one of the more epic transformations...think about it...1.  Let's be real, I'm black +1.  Not to be a dick but you know what I mean in terms of bodybuilding. (Goodrum is an exception that fat guy regmac also.) 2.  I'm naturally very, very, strong and athletic. 3. No distractions, aka no kids just wife never a distraction before. I've been "off" for 3 years...I haven't trained consistently since April.4. All HG or Pharma grade shit EXCEPT Tren and EQ but I'll ensure I at least get some of the best shit out there...Pharma GH, HG test and deca.  I'm now 31 and starting to reach muscle maturity.  I'll stay on for 24 weeks take a break and get ready to compete at some point next year.

I'm gonna get some digestive enzymes and appetite stimulants cause I'm not a big eater...It's gonna be something special...As it progresses I'll get video footage.

Cool. Itll be fun to watch.   You know what might be fun wiggs?  Lets compete at a show together next seaason.   Getbig might like that...The nattie vs the genetic wonder brother...    I live around Vegas.

[Red Hook]

Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago.  At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i  want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........

The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own.  On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness.  The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.

I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.

Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin.   I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look.

an alternative would be to cut the cycle dosage in 1/2..this way you can go around claiming natty status and bash the drug takers.

or just take the fat cutting parts and walk around at 8-10% BF

[Wiggs]

Cool. Itll be fun to watch.   You know what might be fun wiggs?  Lets compete at a show together next seaason.   Getbig might like that...The nattie vs the genetic wonder brother...    I live around Vegas.

I'd have no problems with that considering how I look of course...I'm not going up there just to do it...I'm going to win...

[TacoBell]

I'd have no problems with that considering how I look of course...I'm not going up there just to do it...I'm going to win...

Im not sure they can make a trophy with the name 'Milton' on it.  Just doesnt sound right.

[War-Horse]

an alternative would be to cut the cycle dosage in 1/2..this way you can go around claiming natty status and bash the drug takers.

or just take the fat cutting parts and walk around at 8-10% BF

Good point. i could take the oral winstrol and t3 to diet down.  But i wouldnt do a natty show then....id do open.  If its true that the nats use GH and slin (which cant be tested) then whats the point with it?  Just do an open show and gear all you want..

Im not comfortable with that idea at all.    Ill keep training and dieting and see where i end up.

[benchmstr]

Interesting. I just got my first cycle delivered a few days ago.  At this point im backing out and will stay clean. I dont think i  want to be a slave to the size and conditioning it will give and then worry bout losing it on pct or forever .........

The thing about being drug free is all the size you carry is your own.  On drugs you have the headaches, high blood pressure, Acne, agressivness.  The one track mind is hard on the family all you think about is your next meal and next training session....its so obsessive.
I think i need a week off. Been hardcore for 3 months....look better but geez im tired.

Now i got a drawer full of gear and am doubtin.   I could stay clean and do the NGA shows and kill em with the swimmer look.

how do you know that if it was going to be your 1st cycle?

bench

[War-Horse]

how do you know that if it was going to be your 1st cycle?

bench

1st of all you know im right.    In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides.  I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.

I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway.  Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother?  I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all.      Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......

[myt1]

Exactly what I was wondering Bench.  Might have zero sides and be a tremendous responder

[Wiggs]

1st of all you know im right.    In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides.  I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.

I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway.  Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother?  I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all.      Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......

Come on man....The feeling is incredible. You feel like a good.  Endless energy and incredible pumps...You recover and make gains crazy fast.

[benchmstr]

1st of all you know im right.    In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides.  I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.

I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway.  Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother?  I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all.      Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......

ok...you are WAAAAYY wrong....and this is why...

pro hormones= poison with a side effect of muscle growth....good, clean injectables= the complete opposite...they will make you feel way better...except tren, taking tren kinda sucks..

bench

[marty31672]

be careful wiggs your health and well-being is more important than big muscles and women

[dyslexic]

So, you don't know if you look like crap already?


If you look like crap now, somehow this shit will fix that?


Cool.

[benchmstr]

So, you don't know if you look like crap already?


If you look like crap now, somehow this shit will fix that?


Cool.

funny how that works doesnt it?

bench

[War-Horse]

ok...you are WAAAAYY wrong....and this is why...

pro hormones= poison with a side effect of muscle growth....good, clean injectables= the complete opposite...they will make you feel way better...except tren, taking tren kinda sucks..

bench

Maybe so. But what about cleaning out, do you live in fear of losing a little muscle. It seems you have to create a jeckyl/hyde thing that you know is not real, like a monster lives inside that you have to feed. Seems like a waste of energies. Focus on something better in the day you know? You can stay clean and make small gains that last versus huge gains that are temporary mainly.  This is myself thinking outloud, i appreciate the input.

[benchmstr]

Maybe so. But what about cleaning out, do you live in fear of losing a little muscle. It seems you have to create a jeckyl/hyde thing that you know is not real, like a monster lives inside that you have to feed. Seems like a waste of energies. Focus on something better in the day you know? You can stay clean and make small gains that last versus huge gains that are temporary mainly.  This is myself thinking outloud, i appreciate the input.

i am not saying YOU MUST use them.....but dont get the wrong idea about them either...

i havent done anything in almost 5 or 6 years...but even off i have always gained....its just wether you want to speed it up or not..

bench

[War-Horse]

So, you don't know if you look like crap already?


If you look like crap now, somehow this shit will fix that?


Cool.

   Im not following. Im always one of the bigger guys at any gym i go to and i can see abs faintly.  I will admit the tren mimicker i took made me lose fat easily and the muscles were pumped and veiny. Thats a rush to feel like wiggs is saying.  But i was so tired from lethargy and my headaches were so bad that getting to the gym was a challenge.   But the workouts were awesome!!

[War-Horse]

i am not saying YOU MUST use them.....but dont get the wrong idea about them either...

i havent done anything in almost 5 or 6 years...but even off i have always gained....its just wether you want to speed it up or not..

bench

Appreciate the words bench.   Anyone who can clean out for 5yrs is obviously not addicted to them!! Props.     I guess we all decide how far we want to push it.   You have a good balanced veiw of it.

[benchmstr]

Appreciate the words bench.   Anyone who can clean out for 5yrs is obviously not addicted to them!! Props.     I guess we all decide how far we want to push it.   You have a good balanced veiw of it.

if you get addicted to AAS you are a complete bitch with a week mind....the only addiction is to the growth it causes...no chemical dependency's...

bench

[Fatpanda]

1st of all you know im right.    In june i took a bottle of prohormones and in 6 weeks i had all these sides.  I dont like the feeling of being hungry, the sweating, the acne on back and forearms even, the nearly passing out if i didnt get some carbs within minutes......I made a point to be patient with my family but i was agressive as hell outside.

I know youll say that oral crap is hard and need some hg injectibles...but i dont think i need em anyway.    Ive got 20" arms 24/7 as a natural all my life so why bother?  I wanted to do this cycle to diet down and spare mass that ive built the hard way.......just not jumpin into anything is all.      Youve seen me studying on the steroid board and ive been on other forums......

hahahahahahahahaha no you don't.

[WillGrant]

hahahahahahahahaha no you don't.

This war horse guy is a deluded fukwit..

[DK II]

I've been thinking about it for a long while and I've decided I'm going to do one last cycle.  Why?


Well in almost all my other cycles, I've done something wrong whether it be fake or underdosed gear, shitty cycle do to lack of knowledge or whatever else.  I've had a couple great ones which provided outstanding results...Anywho, I'm 31 now (first cycle was at 19 and was 200mg norma deca and 200mg Schering Primo for 8 weeks) it was ok for considering what I was taking...

With this being my last cycle, I'm going all in minus 'slin.  It's been since 07 that I've done a cycle and it was the best I've ever looked. I was on 750mg test p, 400mg eq, 4 iu of GH, then t-3, and clen all for 12 weeks.  I was looking pretty awesome.  Confidence was up feeling of well being was incredible.

My dream cycle will be split into two parts...Some of the things I tell you in here, many won't agree with, and to you I say thank you for for your concern but I know what I'm doing...I'm still considering enlisting the help of IFBB Pro Art Atwood as we spoke at the USAs and he told me to e-mail him. I like what he did with Jason Huh and he keeps his clientel list small and no cookie cutter BS...

So what are my goals?  My goal is to be 215-220lbs at hit 6% bf. From there I'll determine if I feel I have the "stuff" to compete (I do). The first 12 weeks will look like this:

Weeks 1-12 – Sustanon (human grade) – 500mg -1g
Weeks 1-12 – Deca (human grade) 400mg  - 600mg
Weeks 1- 6 – D-bol (Human grade) 30mg – 60mg
Weeks 3- 12 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 2- 12 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 3-12 Arimidex or Femera



Weeks 13 – 24 – Test E (human grade) – 1g – 1250mg
Weeks 13-24 – Eq (Gen Pharm) 400 mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Masteron (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 600mg
Weeks 13 -24 Parabolin (Gen Pharm) 300mg – 500mg
Weeks 13 – 24 4-6 i.u. GH hygetropin
Weeks 1– 24  t-3 (Human Grade) up to 120mcg
Weeks 13-24 Proviron (Human grade) 50mg-100mg ED
Weeks 13-24 HCG (Human grade) 500iu once a week
Weeks 13-24 Arimidex or Femera
Weeks 13 – 24 Bromocriptin 2.5 – 5mg ED to control prolactin levels while on Parabolin
Weeks ? At some point I will use DNP  I will use low dose for longer period vs high dose for short period…
After the cycle I will use standard PCT, clomid, Nolvadex and HCG…Obviously this is a lot of shit and many will say all drugs.  Because this is a lot of shit, and I haven’t done anything in so long and I think I respond to drugs much better than your average fella, the results will be dramatic.  I’m not much of an eater so I might have to use an appetite stimulant but not weed cause weed makes me not want to work out.

I will provide before pics, and pics periodically during the 24 week journey, I’ll let you all know the training, cardio etc…While many will say that’s a lot of shit, I understand this, and I’ll probably be on as much shit as your average NPC fella, no more fucking around, time to up the dosage.  It’s going to be really interesting…Let the games begin…
I'll start in a couple weeks...

Sounds like a good plan, solid beginner - medium level cycle there.

You're only 31, this means you can still up the dose and get serious later.

[webcake]

plus with those amazing nog genetics you'll be massive in no time...