James Toney: "MMA guys got guts...boxing guys are all talk and no walk"

[spinnis]

"Man, that’s the main reason I came to MMA. At least MMA guys got guts and they will get in a cage with me. The boxing guys are all talk and no walk. My thing is, all of these bums, David Gaye and Bucktooth Bernard Hopkins, talk all that shit; come and see me! They were quiet as mice until they saw I was signed to fight in the UFC and then they all had an opinion. I’m doing both and I ain't going nowhere. I’m in it for the long run baby. I’m the only two sport athlete out there and I’m doing the 2 most dangerous sports in the world. No other man will try to do that."

"Man, the fans in MMA are great. These motherfucking fans are...they fanatics man. It’s great. I love the atmosphere that they bring. It reminded me of the old days of boxing; the 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s. Boxing fans used to be like that and we need to bring that back. The MMA scene is so crazy and it’s great. The fans stand in the hotel lobby from early in the morning until late at night. They are there when you wake up in the morning and they are there when you go to bed and that’s fucking crazy. I love that shit. It was crazy man."


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[spinnis]

he also thought the fans reminded him of boxing fans in the ol days (how loud they were)

[G_Thang]

he can milk mma for a couple checks, is only a club fighter now...so wtf you think he is going to say?

why do wwf guys go to mma?  wrestling is fake but has a killer schedule.  same with boxing and brain damage awards vs 3mins, tapout and a quick check for your brand name.

next?  

[spinnis]

he can milk mma for a couple checks, is only a club fighter now...so wtf you think he is going to say?

why do wwf guys go to mma?  wrestling is fake but has a killer schedule.  same with boxing and brain damage awards vs 3mins, tapout and a quick check for your brand name.

Because alot of them come from a real wrestling backgrounds so the transition to mma is a shitload easier then just coming from boxing =) (kurt angle, brock, shelton b, barnett, the new huys thats damous dont know his name lol, etc)

did you actually want a real answer or just trolling?

[spinnis]

I actually think this turned out good for both boxing and MMA, It probably drew some boxing fans to watch mma, An will for sure cause Tony's next boxing fight to get some extra viewers.

[SgtSpar]

I actually think this turned out good for both boxing and MMA, It probably drew some boxing fans to watch mma, An will for sure cause Tony's next boxing fight to get some extra viewers.

This fight only proved what MMA guys knew all along and what the boxing fans will never know cuz the will continue in denial.

[spinnis]

This fight only proved what MMA guys knew all along and what the boxing fans will never know cuz the will continue in denial.

Thats why I haven given up on trying to explain shit here on get big lol.

you should do the same with mclocesitintheanus not worth it lol

[G_Thang]

Thats why I haven given up on trying to explain shit here on get big lol.

you should do the same with mclocesitintheanus not worth it lol

runt of the liter...i said it depends.  i'd need to see a guy like martinez MW boxer train at chute box for a yr...not just any MMA BS...but wth the masters vs Anderson Silva with a yr in a Detroit boxing gym with emmanuel steward or freddie roach.

outcome 

[SgtSpar]

runt of the liter...i said it depends.  i'd need to see a guy like martinez MW boxer train at chute box for a yr...not just any MMA BS...but wth the masters vs Anderson Silva with a yr in a Detroit boxing gym with emmanuel steward or freddie roach.

outcome 

So you don't want to see a boxer fight.  You want to see a guy train MMA and then fight.  Doesn't that prove the MMA fighter will beat a boxer?

[spinnis]

runt of the liter...i said it depends.  i'd need to see a guy like martinez MW boxer train at chute box for a yr...not just any MMA BS...but wth the masters vs Anderson Silva with a yr in a Detroit boxing gym with emmanuel steward or freddie roach.

outcome 

Not against couture though, he has wrestled since he was 7 or something like that ands is 47 now..

But a good boxer that is a easy learnerwith 1 year of mma training and competed in some local show, then he might have a chance to win. Ufc guys are Elite fighters.. Unless youre an awesome wrestler you're gonna get fucked up there right away without a great background.

Local shows on the other hand =)

[spinnis]

Couture should have "risked" it a bit, some leg kicks first and then shoot in for a double and LIFT him up and slam the shit out of him lol.

That would have been hillarious.

I just hope toney undestands how nice couture was to him in this fight.

[240 is Back]

any links to the actual fight?

[spinnis]

any links to the actual fight?

youtube couture vs toney and sort it after upload date, that should do the trick

[G_Thang]

Not against couture though, he has wrestled since he was 7 or something like that ands is 47 now..

But a good boxer that is a easy learnerwith 1 year of mma training and competed in some local show, then he might have a chance to win. Ufc guys are Elite fighters.. Unless youre an awesome wrestler you're gonna get fucked up there right away without a great background.

Local shows on the other hand =)

look.  wwe  guys , brock and the blk guy?, do ok and win in mma because some of them have collegiate wrestling backgrounds.  now add chute box.  that's the ticket.  know a world rank boxer in his prime at this moment with a college wrestling background?  

[spinnis]

look.  wwe  guys , brock and the blk guy?, do ok and win in mma because some of them have collegiate wrestling backgrounds.  now add chute box.  that's the ticket.  know a world rank boxer in his prime at this moment with a college wrestling background?  

thats exactly what I said?

nope? I dont know alot about boxers. But to think any of them could do good against a guy whos in the ufc with only a few months of mma training is Ludacris.

thgey need to start low and work themself up, Im sure a few of them could do it. And another thing is that a good boxers doesnt mean you're good at boxing in MMA, because you're not used to leg kicks, watching for takedowns, sprawling etc. They have to still keep all of the skilöl while changing stance. Which im sure a few of them could.

The fact that toney came on Flat footed just made sure he would get taken down within seconds, and I cant believe his trainer didnt tell him to be light on his feet. insane.

Its kinda like saying a good hockey player could go on on one with a pro golfer within months in golf.. mma boxing / boxing are 2 different things. Its kidna like driving a dragster in a f-1 course.

everything seen tonight was proven in UFC 1.. but somehow boxers ignored that fact and paid the "price".

[spinnis]

hell, they could have put him against any good leg kicker also and he would have gotten ruined.

Even cro cop these days, 2 leg kicks and toney would have collapsed onto the ground.

And with that "movement" of his, it would have been Easy for crocop to avoid getting punched. Sure the chances against crocop would have been better then couture but still not close to happening lol.

or one leg kick semi hard, and then fake a legkick and go high and toney would have been knocked the FUCK OUT for the first time in his life

[G_Thang]

thats exactly what I said?

nope? I dont know alot about boxers. But to think any of them could do good against a guy whos in the ufc with only a few months of mma training is Ludacris.

thgey need to start low and work themself up, Im sure a few of them could do it. And another thing is that a good boxers doesnt mean you're good at boxing in MMA, because you're not used to leg kicks, watching for takedowns, sprawling etc. They have to still keep all of the skilöl while changing stance. Which im sure a few of them could.

The fact that toney came on Flat footed just made sure he would get taken down within seconds, and I cant believe his trainer didnt tell him to be light on his feet. insane.

Its kinda like saying a good hockey player could go on on one with a pro golfer within months in golf.. mma boxing / boxing are 2 different things. Its kidna like driving a dragster in a f-1 course.

everything seen tonight was proven in UFC 1.. but somehow boxers ignored that fact and paid the "price".

ok...i agree with you there.  no matter the level of the boxers they can't fight their way back to their feet vs a thai or jj guy without some core wrestling skills to start off with before training thai or jj.  hence...brock n bobby (college wrestlers) vs kimbo, toney and mercer (pure boxers) = failure in mma. 

[spinnis]

ok...i agree with you there.  no matter the level of the boxers they can't fight their way back to their feet vs a thai or jj guy without some core wrestling skills to start off with before training thai or jj.  hence...brock n bobby (college wrestlers) vs kimbo, toney and mercer (pure boxers) = failure in mma.  

Exactly. But they do have amazing skill in something that most mma guys doesnt. The but have Most of the work ahead of them.

And I wonder how good it would translate into mma, because they have trained to be good at something their Entire life with a Certian stance, and with certian thoughts Not in their head (take downs, leg kicks) etc.  So change their stance and having then have to wonder about legkicks etc, how much of their amazing boxing would be left?

Its like super good BJJ guys that cant really translate it into being amazing Without the GI. OT wrestlers that are super uncomfortable in their backs and panicks etc.

Maby some of the guys in mma have the best boxing for mma there is. maby pure boxers cannot reach that.... I dont know, but its a interesting thought.