My thoughts on 118...

[MindSpin]

Wow...two losses in a row for BJ!  You have to handed to Franky for pulling this off.  I still don't quite understand how the hell he is neutralizing BJ   What I do know, is that I'm not a fan of his fighting style.  It's a bunch of hearky-jerky movements and dancing around without really inflicting any damage on the opponent.  It's a scoring game, not a fight.  Oh well.



I do think we have a triangle of styles in the lightweight division right now with Maynard, Edgar & Penn.  It's rock, paper, scissors.  BJ beats Maynard, Maynard beats Edgar and Edgar beat BJ.  That's MMA   

As for Couture vs Toney, it went down exactly as it should have.  Nuff said.

Maynard vs KenFlo...loved it.  Some may have thought it boring, but I'm looking forward to the Maynard/Edgar rematch.

Diaz vs the Irish Hand Granade...classic Diaz.  Great fight.  The you see the swelling on poor bastard?



The Damien Maya fight bored me.

Next for BJ? Maybe a rematch with KenFlo or a bout with Gomi.  I think he'll need to get two wins before being given the title shot.  Perhaps by that time Edgar will have already lost it.

[benchmstr]

i was just happy to see florian loss....dont really like that guy...

bench

[RancherRanger]

Didn't get to watch the fights.  Did Maynard lnp?  I knew that Toney was gonna get tooled!  Looks like Diaz put a butt whoopin on Davis.

[George Whorewell]

Ok MS--

How is it that you don't find Rashad Evans to be a one dimensional, boring fighter- but you find Frankie Edgar to be one?

Edgar just beat BJ twice,  making him the only lightweight in history to do so. I Still consider BJ to be the greatest fighter in his weight class ever, so until Jose Aldo moves up and beats Edgar, Edgar has to be a top 3 P4P pick.

Toney got exposed as the fat, disgrace he is (thank god).

The Diaz brothers are *uckin solid fighters regardless of what you think of them.

And Im with Bench, I cannot stand Kenny Florian. The more I hear him talk and the more I watch him fight, the less I like him.

[MindSpin]

Ok MS--

How is it that you don't find Rashad Evans to be a one dimensional, boring fighter- but you find Frankie Edgar to be one?

Edgar just beat BJ twice,  making him the only lightweight in history to do so. I Still consider BJ to be the greatest fighter in his weight class ever, so until Jose Aldo moves up and beats Edgar, Edgar has to be a top 3 P4P pick.

Toney got exposed as the fat, disgrace he is (thank god).

The Diaz brothers are *uckin solid fighters regardless of what you think of them.

And Im with Bench, I cannot stand Kenny Florian. The more I hear him talk and the more I watch him fight, the less I like him.

What I don't like about Edgar, is that he doesn't inflict any damage on his opponents.  He simply outscores them by dancing around the cage.  I remember an old Karate video game on nintendo, where to win, all you had to do was land the 1st strike, and then jump around for the remainder of the round to win.  My little sister would beat me like that every time and it pissed me off...lol.

Rashad is not one dimensional IMO.  He is a wrestler that evolved into a decent striker and has some pretty awesome highlight reel finishes.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Frankie Edgar has solid all around boxing and I appreciate that because Ive been training boxing for almost 10 years.  His head movement, footwork, speed and the fact that he mixes his shots up so well are entertaining.  Only an uneducated moron would call that boring.  He basically stood with B.J. for the entire time and landed on him at will, and the reason why people are mad at Frankie?  He did neutralize Bj. and he shut him down in all of his strengths, he stood almost the entire time with Bj and landed at will and made him miss in the process.  Did he hurt or bust Bj. up?   No, Bj has really been hurt once standing in his entire career and almost never shows damage, He's got what they call in boxing "the chin and the skin".  He took Bj down multiple times and when Bj had him on the ground in dangerous positions he got out.  That is pretty much the definition of neutralization (unlike Rashad).  Nate Diaz fought a helluva fight and impressed me with his stand up, and his 10 finger guillotine is sick.  Couture has had 2 easy ass fights and arguably lost to Vera and is probably one victory away from a title shot  ,   Damian Maia looked good as well, so what if he didn't get the sub, he shut Miranda down with his technique.  If anything Maynard had the only truly boring fight.  His stand up looks the same as it always has, he sits down obviously waiting for that big right hand and if you come in on him he'll take you down and lay on you (I don't see him changing anytime soon either).  Kenflo is in fact a choker and wrestlers have his number.  It's sad that a so callled Mod could be so ignorant.  Ever since Rashad got his clock cleaned he lost that confidence in himself standing (just like GSP), and his last 2 fights show that, and I don't see his next one changing much either.

[SgtSpar]

Only an uneducated moron would call that boring.  

Then add me to the uneducated moron group cuz I find his fights boring as hell.  He hops around like a meth addict and never does any damage.  Even though he won this one decisively the fight was still boring.  I can't wait to see The Bully put a beating on him.

[noworries]

BJ needs to get rid of his corner people.  Absoulutely useless.  They did not give him any advice.  They should have made him take Edgar to the ground.  No excuse for BJ to lose.  He got his ass whipped.  He really needs to put together a new camp or quit

[RancherRanger]

Then add me to the uneducated moron group cuz I find his fights boring as hell.  He hops around like a meth addict and never does any damage.  Even though he won this one decisively the fight was still boring.  I can't wait to see The Bully put a beating on him.

I don't think I've ever really seen the Bully put a beating on anybody.  He'll get the takedown on the smaller Edgar and lnp his way to a decision.  He's already done that once against Edgar.

[MindSpin]

Frankie Edgar has solid all around boxing and I appreciate that because Ive been training boxing for almost 10 years.  His head movement, footwork, speed and the fact that he mixes his shots up so well are entertaining.  Only an uneducated moron would call that boring.  He basically stood with B.J. for the entire time and landed on him at will, and the reason why people are mad at Frankie?  He did neutralize Bj. and he shut him down in all of his strengths, he stood almost the entire time with Bj and landed at will and made him miss in the process.  Did he hurt or bust Bj. up?   No, Bj has really been hurt once standing in his entire career and almost never shows damage, He's got what they call in boxing "the chin and the skin".  He took Bj down multiple times and when Bj had him on the ground in dangerous positions he got out.  That is pretty much the definition of neutralization (unlike Rashad).  Nate Diaz fought a helluva fight and impressed me with his stand up, and his 10 finger guillotine is sick.  Couture has had 2 easy ass fights and arguably lost to Vera and is probably one victory away from a title shot  ,   Damian Maia looked good as well, so what if he didn't get the sub, he shut Miranda down with his technique.  If anything Maynard had the only truly boring fight.  His stand up looks the same as it always has, he sits down obviously waiting for that big right hand and if you come in on him he'll take you down and lay on you (I don't see him changing anytime soon either).  Kenflo is in fact a choker and wrestlers have his number.  It's sad that a so callled Mod could be so ignorant.  Ever since Rashad got his clock cleaned he lost that confidence in himself standing (just like GSP), and his last 2 fights show that, and I don't see his next one changing much either.

If you've read some of my other posts, you'd see that I give props to Edgar for doing what he did, not just to BJ twice, but he has other very notable wins like Sherk, Griffin, Franca, etc.  And, I do appreciate the "sweet science" of boxing and how he effectively combined it with solid wrestling to neutralize BJ.  That said, it is still BORING!  Franky has 13 win and NINE by decision.  I watch these fights not just to appreciate the technical abilities of the elite fighters, but also to witness fantastic finishes or at the very least true dominance.  Watching Franky duck & weave for three rounds while outscoring his opponents and causing zero damage is just plain boring.  And, just because my opinion is different from yours, doesn't make me "ignorant"

[MindSpin]

I don't think I've ever really seen the Bully put a beating on anybody.  He'll get the takedown on the smaller Edgar and lnp his way to a decision.  He's already done that once against Edgar.

Actually, he did KO himself when taking Rob Emerson down.  It was declared a no contest

[MindSpin]

BJ needs to get rid of his corner people.  Absoulutely useless.  They did not give him any advice.  They should have made him take Edgar to the ground.  No excuse for BJ to lose.  He got his ass whipped.  He really needs to put together a new camp or quit

QFT!  His corner SUCKED!!

[WeightPSHR]

UFC 118 was average IMO.

Diaz looks promising at 170, but hard to tell fighting Davis. Needs to step up level of competition to know for sure.

Maynard did the same things he always does, but it's working for him and he's real good at it. Florian needs to improve wrestling/standup if he hopes to ever get a title shot again.

Maia... still hard to believe he ever got a title shot.

Edgar looks good, great standup and I think he really trained hard to specifically beat BJ....but I don't think his style is going to make him champ for long. Jumping around scared shitless of your opponent is not going to win you too many fights.  It did work on BJ and I think Edgar really got BJ frustrated. Give him credit for scoring a victory though.

BJ needs to regroup, but I think he will make another run at the title before he retires. BJ losing is good for him and the division.

I sure hope the Maynard/Edgar fight is going to be free. I bet not too many people are going to want to watch that snoozefest.

[MindSpin]

I sure hope the Maynard/Edgar fight is going to be free. I bet not too many people are going to want to watch that snoozefest.

No shit.  Either Maynard lay & pray or Edgar Dance Dance Revolution. 

[Captain Equipoise]

Edgar whooped ass for 5 rounds.

[MindSpin]

Edgar whooped ass for 5 rounds.

I have a really hard time calling that "whopping ass".  It's the same shit that Floyd Mayweather does.  Dancing around pitter-pattering while scoring points and causing no damage.  No different than the lay & pray style.  Both are boring IMO.   

[George Whorewell]

Not as boring as Rashad Evans or how Lyoto was until he started knocking people out.

The fact that Edgar could get away with fighting that way against one of the all time greats speaks voulmes about his abilities as a fighter. Also, if BJ had taken more chances and been more agressive, would Edgar have continued to fight that way? Probably not imo. An all time great like BJ needed a better game plan, better preparation and when the chips were down, he shouldve been more agressive.

I don't think that Frankie Edgar transformed into a world class technical boxer all of a sudden. BJ just didnt know what the hell he was doing.

[MindSpin]

Not as boring as Rashad Evans or how Lyoto was until he started knocking people out.

The fact that Edgar could get away with fighting that way against one of the all time greats speaks voulmes about his abilities as a fighter. Also, if BJ had taken more chances and been more agressive, would Edgar have continued to fight that way? Probably not imo. An all time great like BJ needed a better game plan, better preparation and when the chips were down, he shouldve been more agressive.

I don't think that Frankie Edgar transformed into a world class technical boxer all of a sudden. BJ just didnt know what the hell he was doing.

Franky's style is very effective under the current rules of MMA i.e. timed rounds, 10 point must, etc.  He did the exact same thing to Sherk.  At the time, Sherk was criticized for not attempting taking downs and just letting Franky score on him.  BJ did the same thing in both fights. It's the exact same style Dominic Cruz has been effectively using in the WEC.  They are very effective at avoiding takedowns and getting in & out using footwork.  My problem, is that it results in a very boring fight.

As for Rashad being boring, I don't see it.  He has some great KOs with both feet and hands, and he can take the fight to the ground whenever he wants.

[George Whorewell]

Rashad knocked out human punching bag Chuck Lidell and had that head kick ko over some fat slob. What else has he done really? He landed one punch against Rampage and spent the rest of the fight running away and hugging him. Lyoto knocked him out of his shoes and he finished Forrest Griffin in a fight where Griffin gassed, but I felt Griffin was winning up to that point.

Other than that, he has a split decision against Michael the douche sniffer Bisping, a classic lay and pray performance against Thiago Silva ( where he barely made it out alive and was on the verge of being Ko'd) and a draw against a washed up Tito Ortiz.

All he does is use fruity head fakes, throw baby shots and jump back and forth.

[MindSpin]

Rashad knocked out human punching bag Chuck Lidell and had that head kick ko over some fat slob. What else has he done really? He landed one punch against Rampage and spent the rest of the fight running away and hugging him. Lyoto knocked him out of his shoes and he finished Forrest Griffin in a fight where Griffin gassed, but I felt Griffin was winning up to that point.

Other than that, he has a split decision against Michael the douche sniffer Bisping, a classic lay and pray performance against Thiago Silva ( where he barely made it out alive and was on the verge of being Ko'd) and a draw against a washed up Tito Ortiz.

All he does is use fruity head fakes, throw baby shots and jump back and forth.

I never said he was the greatest.  Just that he is not boring compared to Edgar...

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Rashad is effing boring to watch, he's got that herky jerky 52 cut blocks thing that he does (that was when he actually has the balls to stay on his feet), now he's devolved into a lnp artist who's traumatized by a highlight reel ko loss.  Frankie actually won fight of the night against Tyson Griffin who'm he beat in his debut if im not mistaken.