I'm going to post this up and I want you to read it carefully then when I get back later this afternoon I'm going to add my inputs and hopefully bury this discussion once and for all (although you will NEVER admit you and your studies are flawed)
i've not got time to read this now. its 1.30am here in scotland and i'm up at 7.30. i will read it tomorrow.
however statements like the one i've highlighted really show that you have no idea about what you are talking about.
metabolic ward studies are flawed ? how so ? they are the best studies that can be done on calories and activity levels. They keep all variables to an absolute minimum. their results are without question, calories dictate fat loss not macro nutrients.
Kiwol - so the fact that joe is more disciplined in his diet and lifting than i have been does not make him smarter

i think he had a great physique too, but that doesn't change the fact he is talking out of his ass when it comes to up to date nutritional science.
if you knew anything yourself about the topics we argue about you would see this as clear as day.
what he did worked, its why he still recommends it. i do not disagree with what he recommends. i simply feel there are better easier ways.
this is not a put down on you or him, if you don't understand the science or even care about it that's fine. I'm only pointing out the facts.
Joe was right back in the 70-80's as that's what he was taught, but he hasn't moved on or kept informed.
also i call him dumb because he calls me dumb - its a comedy thing for me, a bit or back and fourth banter.
As for your donut jibes

i seem to recall seeing pics of you fat as fuck, and posting about how you eat chocolate biscuits all day

as for doing jibes - i have posted my pics in my worse shape ever and am documenting my transformation as i apply the knowledge i speak of.
the results will speak for themselves.