Canada: Stop Fox News North

[Cy Tolliver]

the canadians alwaays talking about the usa but then they show their true colors

[24KT]

just makes me lol

we shouldnt silence anyone i respect freedom of speech

Schweppes, tell you what? Why don't I proselytize about whatever lies I want to my heart's content, and have YOU pick up the tab for it all?

Canada's way of doing things is slightly different. We're not an anything goes marketplace.
In the USA, a journalist can get on TV and enter your home every night and bold faced lie to you.
they can tell you a product is safe to eat, the water is safe to drink, and the air is safe to breathe... all under the guise of free speech. In Canada, speech is not so free.

We are also free to to tell you a product is safe to eat, the water is safe to drink, and the air is safe to breathe, ...but only if it is! With Canadian freedom comes responsibility & accountability.

I can't believe people are complaining about an independent commissioner not being a paper pusher, or waste of tax payer dollars, but someone who actually does the job he was hired to do on behalf of Canadians, ...and are actually advocating the bullying, influence peddling, and strong arm tactics allegedly being used by a head of state. Since when do we support dictatorial excess in our leaders? I know when that started in the USA, but we don't accept that up here in Canada.

[Cy Tolliver]

Schweppes, tell you what? Why don't I proselytize about whatever lies I want to my heart's content, and have YOU pick up the tab for it all?

Canada's way of doing things is slightly different. We're not an anything goes marketplace.
In the USA, a journalist can get on TV and enter your home every night and bold faced lie to you.
they can tell you a product is safe to eat, the water is safe to drink, and the air is safe to breathe... all under the guise of free speech. In Canada, speech is not so free.

We are also free to to tell you a product is safe to eat, the water is safe to drink, and the air is safe to breathe, ...but only if it is! With Canadian freedom comes responsibility & accountability.

I can't believe people are complaining about an independent commissioner not being a paper pusher, or waste of tax payer dollars, but someone who actually does the job he was hired to do on behalf of Canadians, ...and are actually advocating the bullying, influence peddling, and strong arm tactics allegedly being used by a head of state. Since when do we support dictatorial excess in our leaders? I know when that started in the USA, but we don't accept that up here in Canada.

the usa is becoming more and more like that everyday and it really hurts me

we need to go in the opposite direction

wild west freedom is what we need down here in the usa, not your brand of faux fredom.......

[24KT]

the usa is becoming more and more like that everyday and it really hurts me

we need to go in the opposite direction

wild west freedom is what we need down here in the usa, not your brand of faux fredom.......

In Canada, you're free to do the right, moral, ethical & just thing.   

[Arnold jr]

240, it's a bit different.
It's not hating on the news, it's hating on fake news and attempts at public manipulation & indoctrination.

Unlike in the USA, Canadian journalism standards require that stories be truthful & accurate.
In addition, in order to not only strengthen, but safeguard our democracy, we do not have any one channel owned by, or used as, an extension, or PR arm for any political party.  Our democracy does not work that way. That is the road to fascism, and we want no part of it up here. If we had to do without Sex and the City for years because of CRTC CanCon guidelines, ...then we sure as shit can do without a Fox News North forever!

Yet you posted using MediaMatters as your source of info, a group with a very strong and open left-wing agenda...they make no bones about it, as well as a group has been called out for lying on several occasions and claimed "the ends justify the means." I just find it strange that you'd use a group as this as your backbone for what you say you're against.

[24KT]

Yet you posted using MediaMatters as your source of info, a group with a very strong and open left-wing agenda...they make no bones about it, as well as a group has been called out for lying on several occasions and claimed "the ends justify the means." I just find it strange that you'd use a group as this as your backbone for what you say you're against.

Arnold, it is appearing that your big argument is against a link used to support an allegation.
Did you infact check the various links listed, including the Media Matters link?
Regardless of whatever your objection to Media Matters, if you clicked the links, you would have seen the material listed is nothing less than credible. Beck did infact compare Obama to Lucifer, and he did needlessly and gratuitously attack Obama's 11 yr old daughter.

[Arnold jr]

Arnold, it is appearing that your big argument is against a link used to support an allegation.
Did you infact check the various links listed, including the Media Matters link?
Regardless of whatever your objection to Media Matters, if you clicked the links, you would have seen the material listed is nothing less than credible. Beck did infact compare Obama to Lucifer, and he did needlessly and gratuitously attack Obama's 11 yr old daughter.

I looked at some of them, yes, you had a lot of links and no I didn't look at every single one.

Beck says a lot of outrageous things, but they are said very facetiously. I've heard Beck say in some of his more serious moments "do I believe Obama is the anti-Christ? No, of course not. I believe he is doing what HE thinks is best. He may very well be a good man, a good father, a good dad, he seems to be, he seems like someone pleasant to be around. That doesn't mean we have to agree on policy."

MediaMatters, I have a problem with George Sorros and most things he does. Obviously I'd disagree with him on just about everything but it's the blatant lying and loathing of America he has that I despise.

[240 is Back]

I look at what is available on direct or comcast...

Military channel - nothing but a recruiting tool and j/o outlet for those who scream 'america, fvck yeah!" whilst telling themselves it's not about oil and bases.

The oxygen channel/ TLC- Nothing but pat-on-the-back, whimper-about-your-feelings nonsense for people not tough enough to just sac up.

Mtv - stupid drivel for braindead twerps who assign some importance to what a fat pig named snooki drinks at the bar.

FOX news - GOP cheerleader & salesman

MSN - Dem cheerleader & salesman

As long as any network follows the FCC rules, I could give a shit if they're on the air.  Al-jazeera can come here.  I sure won't watch it cause I'd rather watch paint dry, but there are people who will enjoy it.  Who cares.  If directv decides it's profitable, why not? College kids can do shots every time 'jihad' flashes on the screen.

Anyone remember when the us tank 'accidentally' fired a round at the al jazeera room in the pal hotel in iraq?  oh brother

[Hugo Chavez]

 I can understand them not wanting public funding for it or any other political channel/movement, but boo-friggin'-hoo about Beck and the tea partiers.

I'm all for any country not wanting this brand of poison.  I'm sorry, I wouldn't wish Fox or MSNBC on my worst enemy at this point.  If Canada or anybody else hasn't had to deal with this kind of pure propaganda extreme bullshit, I totall understand why they wouldn't want it.  Fucking hell, we would be better off to rid ourselves of it here.

[24KT]

I look at what is available on direct or comcast...

Military channel - nothing but a recruiting tool and j/o outlet for those who scream 'america, fvck yeah!" whilst telling themselves it's not about oil and bases.

The oxygen channel/ TLC- Nothing but pat-on-the-back, whimper-about-your-feelings nonsense for people not tough enough to just sac up.

Mtv - stupid drivel for braindead twerps who assign some importance to what a fat pig named snooki drinks at the bar.

FOX news - GOP cheerleader & salesman

MSN - Dem cheerleader & salesman

As long as any network follows the FCC rules, I could give a shit if they're on the air.  Al-jazeera can come here.  I sure won't watch it cause I'd rather watch paint dry, but there are people who will enjoy it.  Who cares.  If directv decides it's profitable, why not? College kids can do shots every time 'jihad' flashes on the screen.

Anyone remember when the us tank 'accidentally' fired a round at the al jazeera room in the pal hotel in iraq?  oh brother

I think you're missing a HUGE point here. You say as long as any network follows FCC rules...
I think you might be missing the fact that the CRTC and the FCC do the same thing. CRTC = FCC.
And a FOX NEWS North contravenes CRTC rules & guidelines. That is why Konrad von Finckenstein rejected Fox News North to begin with. Now we have a Prime Minister allegedly attempting to bully, coerce, strong arm, intimidate, pressure, and otherwise attack & circumvent an independent commission in order to do things the commission is tasked with preventing, things that threaten the very fabric of our democracy.

This is a fight for the soul of Canadian democracy. Our media is not perfect, but a ‘news’ network that slavishly serves a political agenda through mass manipulation and fear threatens the fabric of our democratic society.

The CRTC is part of our democracy -- it was made an independent commission precisely in order to protect against this kind of government manipulation of the media. Harper knows that he must bully his way through this institution in order to create "Fox News North". And there are dark rumours in Ottawa that if von Finckenstein will not leave his job, Harper will simply force him to give in. Konrad von Finckenstein is upholding the best tradition of Canadian democracy and civil service in the face of a full scale attack on that tradition. Let's show him, and Harper, that Canada stands with him.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/no_fox_news_canada/?vl

"Fox News North" is Harper's long term strategy to make radical conservatism the political centre in Canada, tearing down the country we love to make us look like the U.S. Thankfully, Konrad von Finckenstein and the CRTC are standing in his way -- let's stand with them.

[tonymctones]

LOL jag do you have MSNBC up there?

[tonymctones]

In Canada, you're free to do the right, moral, ethical & just thing.   

who decides what moral, ethical and the just thing? 

[tonymctones]

I don't have a problem with different perspectives. However, having said that, I'd like to clarify that I believe there is a big difference between different perspectives of the truth,

this right here says it all...I guess since youre ok with one it makes it right and youre not ok with the other it makes it wrong 

goodness gracious 

[Lord of the Roidz]

I can understand why they wouldn't want something like Fox news in Canada. Because of Fox news, several Obama administration people resigned in disgrace after being outed as radical Marxists . They also reveal stories to the public that the liberal media intentionally ignore when it shows their leftie heroes in a bad light. God knows how many Marxists and socialists would be outed in Canada if a channel like Fox went on the air. Of course they want to strike it down. Since I don't live in Canada, I am not aware if their mainstream media leans as far to the left as ours does in America.

[George Whorewell]

I can understand why they wouldn't want something like Fox news in Canada. Because of Fox news, several Obama administration people resigned in disgrace after being outed as radical Marxists . They also reveal stories to the public that the liberal media intentionally ignore when it shows their leftie heroes in a bad light. God knows how many Marxists and socialists would be outed in Canada if a channel like Fox went on the air. Of course they want to strike it down. Since I don't live in Canada, I am not aware if their mainstream media leans as far to the left as ours does in America.

QFT and Canada is so unapologetically in the tank for the liberal ideology that it makes the United States look like Saudi Arabia.

[24KT]

LOL jag do you have MSNBC up there?

Nope. Our news channels deliver news... without the political agenda.
It's up to the viewer to determine how s/he feels about it.
We don't have news stations designed to rile people up in any political direction.
People who want to do that, are free to do so, ..but on their own time, and certainly on their own dime.

[24KT]

this right here says it all...I guess since youre ok with one it makes it right and youre not ok with the other it makes it wrong 

goodness gracious 

You're quoting me out of context. That in itself speaks volumes about your agenda and/or myopia.

[24KT]

who decides what moral, ethical and the just thing? 

In so far as our public airwaves go, that would be the CRTC, based upon it's independent charter & guidelines.

[24KT]

fox news doesnt really lie as much as they just manipilate the truth in favor of what theri viewers want to hear

WTF?

Ever considered a career in politics? You've got the BS doublespeak down cold.  

So when your girlfriend cheats & sleeps around on you, ...if you confront her, or ask her about it,
and she says she's been completely faithful to you, ...she's not lying, ...she's just manipulating the truth in favour of what you want to hear.  

[240 is Back]

See, I believe channels are ALREADY showing mistruths 24/7.  So FOX doing it would be no different.  I watch the military channel and it's just an hour straight of cool weaponry and a retired general (now working in pvt sector) lecturing us on how we need to spend more $ on these weapons cause bad guys hate our freedom.  That's a crock of shit - it's about oil, bases, drugs, minerals, and ideology - and this man is just lying to rile up viewers.  But I'm okay with that.

Same with Mtv.  Their viewers think jersey shore is how one should live.  drinking, sexing it up, punching women in clubs, all that.  They're propagating a morally corrput lifestyle. 

We won't even get into HBO series the Wire which pretty much shows you - if you kill enough witnesses, you can get away with being a major drug dealer.

So yes, FOX is routinely full of shit, straight up lies and exaggerations.  And I'm okay with that being on the air.  Even though, yes, it is dangerous in that 15% of the population truly believe we walked with Dinos 5000 years ago, and Palin is the most qualified person in USA to be president... yes, 15% of people are really that doggone stupid. And FOX makes them feel good.  And that's what TV is all about.  Making you feel good, even if feeling good involves nodding in agreement with ignorant hate-spewing jackasses.

[Cy Tolliver]

who decides what moral, ethical and the just thing? 

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

we cant selectivly limit freedom

[Dos Equis]

Not surprised.  From the same part of the world that tried to censor Ann Coulter by threatening her with jail.    The response to speech you disagree with is more speech, not censorship.  Many liberals have a childlike response to opposing viewpoints:  shout them down, censor them, or in the case of (to paraphrase loco) America's retarded little cousin, lock them up.  

It's very amusing that so many people are afraid opposing viewpoints.  If someone really doesn't like information they receive on one channel, turn the channel.  Or turn off the TV.  Start your own show.  Compete.    

One of the things we've seen in American media is conservative TV and radio sells, liberal TV and radio does not.  It's by and large what the public wants.  

[Cy Tolliver]

Not surprised.  From the same part of the world that tried to censor Ann Coulter by threatening her with jail.    The response to speech you disagree with is more speech, not censorship.  Many liberals have a childlike response to opposing viewpoints:  shout them down, censor them, or in the case of (to paraphrase loco) America's retarded little cousin, lock them up.  

great post yessssssssssssssssssssss s thank you!

i never really realized what a joke canada was until i read through this thread and di some research

[Dos Equis]

great post yessssssssssssssssssssss s thank you!

i never really realized what a joke canada was until i read through this thread and di some research

Thanks.     Why do you think so many of them move to the U.S.?  It's a nice place to visit (or so I hear), but wouldn't want to live there.   

[24KT]

One of the things we've seen in American media is conservative TV and radio sells, liberal TV and radio does not.  It's by and large what the public wants.  

It may be what the American conservative public wants, ...but the Canadian public does not want it.

And we do not want our Prime Minister's circumventing, bullying, strong-arming, and intimidating independent commissions tasked with ensuring CRTC guidelines are maintained. And Canadians sure as shit won't want to be paying for something we don't want that breaks our laws, or provides support & money to politicians we don't support, simply because the PM has a personal agenda to be PM for life. Unlike the USA, Canada doesn't have term limits.