Canada: Stop Fox News North

[George Whorewell]

 

STFU-- Nobody cares about Canada, the Canadian public, or your speech/ thought police regulations. Go drown in some Molson ice you cross eyed hag.

[tonymctones]

whats changed jag b/c MSNBC was allowed in canada but from what I can tell voluntarily went off the air or got taken over by someone else...

did you start a thread about stopping them from being able to broadcast in canada?

[Dos Equis]

It may be what the American conservative public wants, ...but the Canadian public does not want it.

And we do not want our Prime Minister's circumventing, bullying, strong-arming, and intimidating independent commissions tasked with ensuring CRTC guidelines are maintained. And Canadians sure as shit won't want to be paying for something we don't want that breaks our laws, or provides support & money to politicians we don't support, simply because the PM has a personal agenda to be PM for life. Unlike the USA, Canada doesn't have term limits.

If the Canadian public doesn't want it, then why is "Fox News North" trying to go there?  (Rhetorical question.) 

Also, if the Canadian public truly doesn't want it, then the market will take care of itself, the ratings will suffer, and it will be off the air.  That's how a free market works.   

And with that, I have exhausted my discussion about America's "retarded little cousin" for the year. 

[Skip8282]

Not surprised.  From the same part of the world that tried to censor Ann Coulter by threatening her with jail.     The response to speech you disagree with is more speech, not censorship.  Many liberals have a childlike response to opposing viewpoints:  shout them down, censor them, or in the case of (to paraphrase loco) America's retarded little cousin, lock them up. 

It's very amusing that so many people are afraid opposing viewpoints.  If someone really doesn't like information they receive on one channel, turn the channel.  Or turn off the TV.  Start your own show.  Compete.   

One of the things we've seen in American media is conservative TV and radio sells, liberal TV and radio does not.  It's by and large what the public wants. 

Great post.

Canada showing her true colors.

[Cy Tolliver]

If the Canadian public doesn't want it, then why is "Fox News North" trying to go there?  (Rhetorical question.) 

Also, if the Canadian public truly doesn't want it, then the market will take care of itself, the ratings will suffer, and it will be off the air.  That's how a free market works.   

And with that, I have exhausted my discussion about America's "retarded little cousin" for the year. 

exactly, but people like jag woulld rather censor their fellow citizens on the grounds that theyre smarter and have it all figured out..............

[24KT]

If the Canadian public doesn't want it, then why is "Fox News North" trying to go there?  (Rhetorical question.) 

Just because the Canadian public doesn't want Fox News North, ...doesn't mean Fox News North doesn't want the Canadian public.

Also, if the Canadian public truly doesn't want it, then the market will take care of itself, the ratings will suffer, and it will be off the air.  That's how a free market works.

No it won't. Under the proposals, it would be funded and propped up by Canadian cable user fees.
Canadian would have to pay for the channel whether they wanted it, subscribed to it, or watched it or not.   

And with that, I have exhausted my discussion about America's "retarded little cousin" for the year. 

*Sigh* It would be so much easier if you actually had at least a rudimentary understanding of how things actually worked in this jurisdiction.

[24KT]

exactly, but people like jag woulld rather censor their fellow citizens on the grounds that theyre smarter and have it all figured out..............

...or on the basis of I don't feel like paying for your propaganda and BS!

[tonymctones]

whats changed jag b/c MSNBC was allowed in canada but from what I can tell voluntarily went off the air or got taken over by someone else...

did you start a thread about stopping them from being able to broadcast in canada?

did you start a thread about MSNBC and not wanting them up there jag?

[24KT]

did you start a thread about MSNBC and not wanting them up there jag?

No I didn't. In addition, we didn't know what we would get with MSNBC.
These things sometimes only come from hindsight. Well, we know what we'd get with a Fox News north,
...and we don't want it. We've already got Fox news, ...there's no need for a Fox News North.

[tonymctones]

No I didn't. In addition, we didn't know what we would get with MSNBC.
These things sometimes only come from hindsight. Well, we know what we'd get with a Fox News north,
...and we don't want it. We've already got Fox news, ...there's no need for a Fox News North.

LMAO how did you not know what you would get with msnbc?

[Arnold jr]

Just because the Canadian public doesn't want Fox News North, ...doesn't mean Fox News North doesn't want the Canadian public.

No it won't. Under the proposals, it would be funded and propped up by Canadian cable user fees.
Canadian would have to pay for the channel whether they wanted it, subscribed to it, or watched it or not.   

*Sigh* It would be so much easier if you actually had at least a rudimentary understanding of how things actually worked in this jurisdiction.

So basically what you're saying is Fox News North would simply be part of your basic cable package if you choose to have cable...sounds pretty much like how cable works here. For instance, if I want cable, I get X amount of channels, including channels like MTV, BET, Lifetime, G4, etc, channels I never watch and don't care to watch.

That's pretty much how cable TV works.

Second thing, like a previous poster said, ratings will depend on if Fox News North stays there or if they want to set up shop in the first place. The only way Fox News north will be successful in Canada is if advertisers are willing to advertise on the channel and the only way they will be willing to do that is if people are watching.

[BM OUT]

They wont be able to ban it.FOX will be on and it will CRUSH everyone in the ratings just as it does here.Poor libs,they see their controll over the media is gone and their ability to manipulate every story is over.Maybe Canada can bring back Dan Rather and he can report on some more forged documents.

[24KT]

They wont be able to ban it.FOX will be on and it will CRUSH everyone in the ratings just as it does here.Poor libs,they see their controll over the media is gone and their ability to manipulate every story is over.Maybe Canada can bring back Dan Rather and he can report on some more forged documents.

Canadian audiences are somewhat different than American ones, with significantly different tastes.
Things that go routinely in American television would be quite frowned upon in this market.

[BM OUT]

Canadian audiences are somewhat different than American ones, with significantly different tastes.
Things that go routinely in American television would be quite frowned upon in this market.

Would you like to bet on that?MSNBC thought the same thing here.They said "the country wont put up with FOX" what happened?MSNBC gets their asses kicked every single night.The same thing will happen in Canada.

[240 is Back]

Canadian audiences are somewhat different than American ones, with significantly different tastes.
Things that go routinely in American television would be quite frowned upon in this market.

then i'd say let them do it, and let them lose $ on it.

at the very least, it'll be amusing to see if they water down their approach (will they become anti-gun?), or if they actually empower some canadians to demand less govt control.

granted, many fox viewers are confused (they are okay with id checks and banning mosques, but want more freedoms?  huh?).... but they do want less govt involvement - almost always a good thing.

[Arnold jr]

then i'd say let them do it, and let them lose $ on it.

at the very least, it'll be amusing to see if they water down their approach (will they become anti-gun?), or if they actually empower some canadians to demand less govt control.

granted, many fox viewers are confused (they are okay with id checks and banning mosques, but want more freedoms?  huh?).... but they do want less govt involvement - almost always a good thing.

The people you're referring to want security and peace of mind, they want their government, emphasis on "Their" to protect, as is there number one intended job. That doesn't mean they want Their government digging into their pockets, controlling the market, regulating industry into the dirt, managing health care, denying basic liberties, etc.

[240 is Back]

The people you're referring to want security and peace of mind, they want their government, emphasis on "Their" to protect, as is there number one intended job. That doesn't mean they want Their government digging into their pockets, controlling the market, regulating industry into the dirt, managing health care, denying basic liberties, etc.

it wouldn't hurt canada to have a little more fire in their guts in terms of rejecting govt control.

I admit fox is frequently full of shit, but I think their POV is necessary for a complete discourse/discussion on an issue.  There are actually issues where palin is right and obama is wrong, ya know?  (competence aside)

[BM OUT]

it wouldn't hurt canada to have a little more fire in their guts in terms of rejecting govt control.

I admit fox is frequently full of shit, but I think their POV is necessary for a complete discourse/discussion on an issue.  There are actually issues where palin is right and obama is wrong, ya know?  (competence aside)

Again with Palin.

[24KT]

then i'd say let them do it, and let them lose $ on it.

at the very least, it'll be amusing to see if they water down their approach (will they become anti-gun?), or if they actually empower some canadians to demand less govt control.

granted, many fox viewers are confused (they are okay with id checks and banning mosques, but want more freedoms?  huh?).... but they do want less govt involvement - almost always a good thing.

It's not just about ratings, or even aesthetic tastes & sensibilities. Those can be adjusted for any audience.
The big issue here is the legality of it all, and the way in which this process is occurring. It goes against CRTC policies, yet powerful interests are trying to bully it through. How would you feel if your President broke the law in order to get his way and further his own personal agenda, ...and forced you to pay for it?

[240 is Back]

How would you feel if your President broke the law in order to get his way and further his own personal agenda, ...and forced you to pay for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

 

[24KT]

Dear amazing Avaaz community across Canada

In just 6 days, our petition to stop "Fox News North" from getting special access to our cable fees has exploded to over 75,000 signatures!

Together, we can stop Harper and his crony-media -- which is why "Fox News North" has launched a full scale attack on Avaaz: with smear pieces attacking us in their own newspapers. They've also admitted suspicious insider knowledge of a criminal sabotage of our petition -- fraudulently signing up key journalists to discredit us in the press as spammers. And we've received a letter from their lawyers threatening to sue us if we don't change our petition within 24 hours!

This is how big corporate power and their friends work to silence people's voices, using loads of cash, dirty tricks, expensive lawyers, and a media empire to smear their enemies and sue them into submission. But Avaaz is an online community of hundreds of thousands Canadians -- together, we're far stronger than any crony-corporation. They've given us a 24-hour ultimatum: Let's show them their intimidation tactics will backfire, and send a clear message back by raising a massive campaign fund by their own deadline. The more money we donate, the stronger message we send. Click below to stand up to "Fox News North" in the press and the courts:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/fox_news_north_attacks/?vl

The Stop "Fox News North" campaign fund will be used for:

      a) Investigating the fraudulent attack on Avaaz - potentially leading to a criminal investigation of "Fox News North" (aka Sun TV)
      b) Pressing our message in Canada's legitimate media, through compelling ads, op-eds and statements
      c) Hiring lawyers, both to fend off Sun TV's attacks and to represent the views of Canadians to the CRTC as it considers Sun TV's request for the government to force cable companies to offer them.
      d) Expanding our tiny team to be able to coordinate this campaign and scale it up to a new level, meeting the massive demand we're hearing from across Canada for a bigger campaign.

This is a fight for our democracy. Sun TV is part of the Quebecor empire, owned by Pierre Karl Peladeau, a radical conservative and the largest media mogul in Canada. After a secret lunch with the president and owner of Fox News, Harper's top spin doctor, Kory Teneycke, moved to Quebecor to head up Sun TV. So our country's largest media empire is now spearheaded by the Prime Minister's former spin doctor, and he wants a government commission (the CRTC) to go against all its policies and force all cable companies to offer his channel. What this means for us is that if we want to watch a range of channels or get the news package of channels, we'll likely be forced to pay for Harper's crony-media mouthpiece too. Click below to donate to stop "Fox News North" being added to our cable bills:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/fox_news_north_attacks/?vl

Quebecor's smear pieces on Avaaz spread a string of desperate falsehoods to try to discredit the voices of tens of thousands of concerned Canadians. Their pieces claimed for example that our petition was a fake, signed mainly by Americans. When we offered to have any reputable audit firm like KPMG audit our petition for authenticity, they didn't respond. This kind of sleazy exploitation of their media power is just a taste of the kind of Fox News-like subversion that Sun TV is seeking to bring to our democracy.

Even worse, in a criminal attack on democratic expression online, an individual connected to Kory Teneycke tried to discredit our petition by adding people falsely (including journalists), committing identity theft and fraud. In a live debate on CBC between Teneycke and Avaaz's Executive Director Ricken Patel, it emerged that Teneycke must have known about the fraud virtually as it was happening! The press is asking whether Teneycke himself or SunTV was behind the attack.

This is not the kind of democracy we want to live in, and it's certainly not the kind we're going to be forced to pay for. Harper's thuggish politics has shocked most of us nicer Canadians. But he's about to find out that we can only be pushed so far. Let's make the defeat of "Fox News North" the beginning of the end of Harper's assault on our democracy.

With hope,
Ricken, Emma, Laryn and the rest of the Avaaz team.


PS - some links to more information on this are below.

Ricken debates Kory Teneycke LIVE on CBC:  <-- newly added link
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Featured_Videos/ID=1582123926  <-- a must watch 

Rabble, "Ezra levant vs Reality"
http://www.rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/apicazo/2010/09/ezra-levant-vs-reality-prelude-fox-news-north

Globe and Mail, “Is Harper set to move against the CRTC?”:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/lawrence-martin/is-stephen-harper-set-to-move-against-the-crtc/article1677632/

CBC, “The absolute last thing this country needs”:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/10/f-vp-newman.html#socialcomments#ixzz0r6MC4p46

Globe and Mail, "CRTC refuses Sun TV's bid for preferred status on dial":
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/crtc-refuses-sun-tvs-bid-for-preferred-status-on-dial/article1641654/

The Star, “Harper’s foxy luncheon”:
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/851510--mcquaig-harper-s-foxy-luncheon

Mediaite, “Canada and Ann Coulter: a volatile relationship”:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/canada-ann-coulter-colleges/

Media Matters, “Glenn Beck smears Obama’s 11 year old daughter”:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005280025

The Examiner: “Bill O’Reilly again confuses facts about Canadian health care system”:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005280025


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[24KT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

 

And who was the biggest cheerleader behind this? Why, it was Fox News wasn't it?  Case closed! 

[240 is Back]

And who was the biggest cheerleader behind this? Why, it was Fox News wasn't it?  Case closed! 

yeah, but to be fair, they employ 911 truthers like Michelle Malkin.

[Arnold jr]

How would you feel if your President broke the law in order to get his way and further his own personal agenda, ...and forced you to pay for it?

You mean like pass bills Americans don't want, force them to pay for it and so on? OK, maybe not against the law but that doesn't make it right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

 

And this is against the law how?

[tonymctones]

STILL WAITING TO SEE HOW YOU DIDNT KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD GET WITH MSNBC???

I mean really?