4 new IFBB Pros from 2010 North American Championships

[Chick]

No, you're making a complete fool of yourself trying to say politics don't play a role in the judging at a bodybuilding show when everybody knows they do.

Whatever, Marc was one of the few that beat an American one time. Who knows what the story is. Maybe Lee Banks pissed off a judge that year or maybe Marc already had a good relationship with the NPC.

To say Ron isn't that good when the guy just placed 6th place at a US National show, and arguably should have placed 1-2 places better, is pretty dumb. I'm very critical of a bodybuilder who lacks shape and has a poor structure, but Ron makes up for a lot of shortcomings once he settles down into his poses. Crazy lat spread, freaky shoulders, shredded legs and hams etc. And for a tall guy he does very well with what he's been born with, and to boot the man always comes SHREDDED and isn't a typical lazy fuk who relies on his god given genetics. He's placed 2nd place 6 times at the Canadians yet keeps on striving to the top. Everyone in the bodybuilding scene in canada knows the Canadian judges have it out for him. The man who beat Ron at the Canada's this year for 1st place just placed 2-3 spots BEHIND Ron at the North American's. That's a little interesting in itself because everyone thought Ron got robbed by the judges at the Canada's in his loss to Loufti yet goes over there and beats him decisively. My point, just like US bodybuilding,  Canada bodybuilding is ran by politics also.

so now there is a Canadian conspiracy against your boy Ron, AND an American one as well??

I'm sure the "powers that be" just want to keep him down so he cant stand next to Jay and show everyone how he REALLY deserves to be Mr. Olympia....

Difference between you and me is, I'm not emotionally involved here...just looking at physiques and calling it the way I see it.

[Stavios]

Bro...please. I can pick out many reasons why your boy placed where he did, and was beaten by the guys you mentioned....you think the judges really care (or even know) where he's from?...LOL

Who are these other "great Canadians" that you believe have been wronged throughout the years?

Bob, don't hate on Stavios, Canada's greatest bodybuilder

[Flexb]

so now there is a Canadian conspiracy against your boy Ron, AND an American one as well??

I'm sure the "powers that be" just want to keep him down so he cant stand next to Jay and show everyone how he REALLY deserves to be Mr. Olympia....

Difference between you and me is, I'm not emotionally involved here...just looking at physiques and calling it the way I see it.

There's politics in most bodybuilding shows, especially important ones. When Nick Medici won the teen usa over Cody, that was one of the best examples of recent political bs rearing it's ugly head. Cody was in an entire different league. I'm pretty sure you were there so you know, so now try telling me politics don't exist in bodybuilding competition.

[Chick]

There's politics in most bodybuilding shows, especially important ones. When Nick Medici won the teen usa over Cody, that was one of the best examples of recent political bs rearing it's ugly head. Cody was in an entire different league. I'm pretty sure you were there so you know, so now try telling me politics don't exist in bodybuilding competition.

So what "politics" do you believe to exsist against your boy Ron?  So the Canadian Fed and the American Fed have now co-conspired to keep him down? 

He lost, plain and simple...He's not that good...accept it.

You've got an excuse in every pocket...everything but REALITY.

[G_Thang]

i thought only the USA and Nationals gave out Pro Cards?  WTF is this?  None of these guys will do jack in the pros.  And one is so old he cant get a sup contract, place last in a show or get women and enjoy his card.  What's the pt?  Manion is out of control.  

How many cards where given out yrly in the 80s and 90s?

[Chick]

i thought only the USA and Nationals gave out Pro Cards?  WTF is this?  None of these guys will do jack in the pros.  And one is so old he cant get a sup contract, place last in a show or get women and enjoy his card.  What's the pt?  Manion is out of control.  

How many cards where given out yrly in the 80s and 90s?

Times have changed...back in those days, you had to win the OVERALL to advance onto the pro's. Today, class winners, Masters winners, 2nd Overalls, etc...

Before that, it was even tougher...winning the Mr. America was considered a amateur show, so you had to win the Universe to move on...

That said, I'm not sure qualifying 2-3 guys a year was good for the growth of the sport...as usual, somewhere in the middle was probably the best for the growth and integrity of the sport

[Flexb]

So what "politics" do you believe to exsist against your boy Ron?  So the Canadian Fed and the American Fed have now co-conspired to keep him down? 

He lost, plain and simple...He's not that good...accept it.

You've got an excuse in every pocket...everything but REALITY.

Whatever Chick. If Ron was well known in the US he would have easily placed a little higher. I'm not the only one that knows he got shafted. Tons of people who sat in the audience were telling him the same thing. If someone sucks and is off, I'll say it, but when 2 guys who are noticeably off place in front of somebody shredded as fuk at 270lbs, justice is far from served.

[Chick]

Whatever Chick. If Ron was well known in the US he would have easily placed a little higher. I'm not the only one that knows he got shafted. Tons of people who sat in the audience were telling him the same thing. If someone sucks and is off, I'll say it, but when 2 guys who are noticeably off place in front of somebody shredded as fuk at 270lbs, justice is far from served.

Bro...you're rambling now....shredded or not, he's not as good.  Conditioning is not the only criteria by any stretch, and he has too many flaws to place higher.

 One guy at 90% can be better than another at 100%...It's nice that he was conditioned....now all he has to do is get some arms and back and overall thickness.

[Flexb]

Bro...you're rambling now....shredded or not, he's not as good.  Conditioning is not the only criteria by any stretch, and he has too many flaws to place higher.

 One guy at 90% can be better than another at 100%...It's nice that he was conditioned....now all he has to do is get some arms and back and overall thickness.

Ray doesn't hold anything back and his assessment of Ron was"

SR: Hard and dry. Needs more size on arms. Good showing!

Funny, that doesn't sound like a guy that sucks.

I'm not rambling at all. I've been clear in each message stating my point. I don't care where you think Ron should have placed. My issue is you act like there's not politics in bodybuilding competitions, which is laughable.

[Chick]

Ray doesn't hold anything back and his assessment of Ron was"

SR: Hard and dry. Needs more size on arms. Good showing!

Funny, that doesn't sound like a guy that sucks.

I'm not rambling at all. I've been clear in each message stating my point. I don't care where you think Ron should have placed. My issue is you act like there's not politics in bodybuilding competitions, which is laughable.

I havent "acted" like anything...I merely pointed out why your boy was placed where he was...because of the merrits of his physique. Not any "politics". You claim the same "politics" are responsible for him losing on his home turf as well....

What a coincidence...!

[Flexb]

I havent "acted" like anything...I merely pointed out why your boy was placed where he was...because of the merrits of his physique. Not any "politics". You claim the same "politics" are responsible for him losing on his home turf as well....

What a coincidence...!

If you had a clue, you would realize i was simply pointing out it happens everywhere. Strangely enough, the guy who beat him here in Canada placed 2-3 spots lower than him at The North Americans and both looked pretty much identical. Why? Because Ron didn't have the same judging panned that won't allow him to place first at the Canada's for the past 6 years.  Instead, this panel wouldn't allow him to place higher than 6th and ahead of well known American's Jewell and Yersky. 6th place was no joke though and Ron did awesome for an unknown face. You gotta be drunk if you think Jewell or especially Yersky should have placed ahead of him. You keep dissing this guys physique, yet the only negative Shawn pointed out was that his arms need to be brought up.
You don't hear me complaining about Mike Rice's placement other than the fact he should have beaten Jewell for 3rd place. Jewell's a big name in the amateurs though so no surprise he's getting gifts thrown at him.
It should have been:
Abbas
Keith Williams
Mike Rice
Ron Partlow
Todd Jewell
Yersky

[Chick]

If you had a clue, you would realize i was simply pointing out it happens everywhere. Strangely enough, the guy who beat him here in Canada placed 2-3 spots lower than him at The North Americans and both looked pretty much identical. Why? Because Ron didn't have the same judging panned that won't allow him to place first at the Canada's for the past 6 years.  Instead, this panel wouldn't allow him to place higher than 6th and ahead of well known American's Jewell and Yersky. 6th place was no joke though and Ron did awesome for an unknown face. You gotta be drunk if you think Jewell or especially Yersky should have placed ahead of him. You keep dissing this guys physique, yet the only negative Shawn pointed out was that his arms need to be brought up.
You don't hear me complaining about Mike Rice's placement other than the fact he should have beaten Jewell for 3rd place. Jewell's a big name in the amateurs though so no surprise he's getting gifts thrown at him.
It should have been:
Abbas
Keith Williams
Mike Rice
Ron Partlow
Todd Jewell
Yersky

LOl...You are amusing, I'll give you that...

So now, you have him in 4th, when you initally said he wasnt top 5 material...(which makes 6th pretty much right, doesnt it?)

Has he gotten better since you joined in the thread discussion?

[Flexb]

LOl...You are amusing, I'll give you that...

So now, you have him in 4th, when you initally said he wasnt top 5 material...(which makes 6th pretty much right, doesnt it?)

Has he gotten better since you joined in the thread discussion?

Yes, when I realized the exactly placings ( i thought they had him 14th initially) and the only one other than Keith and Abbas that was better than Ron was Mike Rice, that equals 4th place.

[Chick]

Yes, when I realized the exactly placings ( i thought they had him 14th initially) and the only one other than Keith and Abbas that was better than Ron was Mike Rice, that equals 4th place.

So just to clarify....

When you thought he was 14th, he wasnt top 5 material...but should have been top 10

When you found out he was 6th, he was suddenly better and in 4th place in your opinion?

[Flexb]

So just to clarify....

When you thought he was 14th, he wasnt top 5 material...but should have been top 10

When you found out he was 6th, he was suddenly better and in 4th place in your opinion?

Not quite. I didn't even pay attention to the top 5 with the exception of Keith and Abbas nor did I look at the pictures at that point and thought they would have been all on the mark. Todd is a very good bodybuilder when he's on but didn't realize he was that off, same with Yersky, until I viewed all of their pics. Usually top 5 is very high caliber but once I saw their conditioning was sub par that's when I realized Ron should have even been higher than 6th.

[Chick]

Not quite. I didn't even pay attention to the top 5 with the exception of Keith and Abbas nor did I look at the pictures at that point and thought they would have been all on the mark. Todd is a very good bodybuilder when he's on but didn't realize he was that off, same with Yersky, until I viewed all of their pics. Usually top 5 is very high caliber but once I saw their conditioning was sub par that's when I realized Ron should have even been higher than 6th.

So you made these comments based on seeing no pictures, but just blind faith that whatever show your boy enters, he should inevitably win....unless there are politics, of course

[Flexb]

So you made these comments based on seeing no pictures, but just blind faith that whatever show your boy enters, he should inevitably win....unless there are politics, of course

Did I say he should have won?  You're starting to get ridiculous now. You know exactly what I said but playing stupid to avoid losing anymore ground.

And just another interesting fact: Ron wasn't even compared to the top 5! They didn't even give the man a chance to move ahead of Jewell and Yersky. Interesting. Ron beats everyone he's compared against in the prejudging 2nd call out yet they don't put him against Jewell, Rice or Yersky from the 1st call out to compare.

[Chick]

Did I say he should have won?  You're starting to get ridiculous now. You know exactly what I said but playing stupid to avoid losing anymore ground.

And just another interesting fact: Ron wasn't even compared to the top 5! They didn't even give the man a chance to move ahead of Jewell and Yersky. Interesting. Ron beats everyone he's compared against in the prejudging 2nd call out yet they don't put him against Jewell, Rice or Yersky from the 1st call out to compare.

Losing ground.....??LOLOLOLOL

Please....first you said he wasnt top 5 material, then , you said he should have been fourth, then, you said you made your initial response without actually seeing any pictures....

[Flexb]

Losing ground.....??LOLOLOLOL

Please....first you said he wasnt top 5 material, then , you said he should have been fourth, then, you said you made your initial response without actually seeing any pictures....

So? I didn't think 2 guys in the top 5 would be that far off. I can at least admit if Jewell and Yersky came in shape we wouldn't be having an argument because they are put together better than Ron, but they did come holding water and soft and surprised they placed where they did, but then I remember something you don't like to admit happens in bodybuilding -- politics. Mike Rice should have been 3rd ahead of Jewell also.

[Chick]

So? I didn't think 2 guys in the top 5 would be that far off. I can at least admit if Jewell and Yersky came in shape we wouldn't be having an argument because they are put together better than Ron, but they did come holding water and soft and surprised they placed where they did, but then I remember something you don't like to admit happens in bodybuilding -- politics. Mike Rice should have been 3rd ahead of Jewell also.

Scrambling somthing fierce, arent you?

You're talking about politics, yet, you're able to place guys without ever seeing them on stage, or even pictures for that matter.

You're making yourself sound desperate and stupid...this isnt heresay, it's YOUR OWN POSTS.


when he was 14th (or so you thought)...he "wasnt top 5 material" but should have been top 10

Then you changed your tune when it was known he was actually 6th, now he should have been 4th and cried politics...

Why wasnt it politics when he "wasnt top 5 material"?


Time to fold tent, son...you're blinded by your "man"

[Flexb]

Scrambling somthing fierce, arent you?

You're talking about politics, yet, you're able to place guys without ever seeing them on stage, or even pictures for that matter.

You're making yourself sound desperate and stupid...this isnt heresay, it's YOUR OWN POSTS.


when he was 14th (or so you thought)...he "wasnt top 5 material" but should have been top 10

Then you changed your tune when it was known he was actually 6th, now he should have been 4th and cried politics...

Why wasnt it politics when he "wasnt top 5 material"?


Time to fold tent, son...you're blinded by your "man"

Dude, you're useless. You're simply clinging to this irrelevant argument which has nothing to do with the fact you said there are no politics in bodybuilding. If you had any integrity this issue, which I've clearly explained, wouldn't be an issue at all but you're pathetically grasping at it all to avoid the further exploitation of you being full of shit. Cowardly way out, my friend.

[Parker]

Yes, he was awarded the second pro card in the Mens open

Im sure Sasha Ogata is happy for him.

[Chick]

Dude, you're useless. You're simply clinging to this irrelevant argument which has nothing to do with the fact you said there are no politics in bodybuilding. If you had any integrity this issue, which I've clearly explained, wouldn't be an issue at all but you're pathetically grasping at it all to avoid the further exploitation of you being full of shit. Cowardly way out, my friend.

Is that what I said?  Feel free to post it up...

What I said, was that politics played no part in your boy placing where he did....an incomplete physique did.

It is funny to see you completely avoid the facts I posted...makes you look like a fool

[NaturalWonder83]

no bob youre making yourself look like a fool in this thread w/ all your silly ramblings
u dont have the slightest clue about what youre trying to say

[Chick]

no bob youre making yourself look like a fool in this thread w/ all your silly ramblings
u dont have the slightest clue about what youre trying to say

Pipe down bicep-boy...tearing a bicep swating at bees in your apartment. Nice story about "boxing" though...LOL