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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2010, 07:58:45 PM »
I think most of us have no problem helping those truly in need. Elderly, disabled, mental health issues, children, but it does get really annoying watching all the people who take advantage of others and the system and act entitled to it. I have a friend who has worked the system for years. Doesn't work, gets every benefit you can imagine. He recently had gastric bypass surgery. I asked him how much it cost him. He told me it cost $27,000 but he didn't have to pay a cent cause between medicaid and medicare they paid for it all and he even said to me "isn't that cool."

Me like many others have been greatly affected by the economy. I can't even remember how many jobs I've had in the last 2+ years trying to find something steady to support my family. One thing i always find interesting about those who take advantage of everything, is they're the last ones to help anyone else out. Always a victims mentality, Always whats in it for me.

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2010, 08:05:24 PM »
Im poor
whats your opinion of me

wait, dont answer that

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2010, 08:10:27 PM »
Im poor
whats your opinion of me

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2010, 08:12:06 PM »
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #104 on: September 07, 2010, 08:17:26 PM »
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
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« Reply #106 on: September 07, 2010, 08:23:45 PM »
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #107 on: September 07, 2010, 08:48:43 PM »
My view of the poor? It's simple. 99% of the time they're lazy, addicts, drunks, ... by their own doing. It does not take a rocket scientist to land a crappy job and be able to make rent in a shit hole apartment each month. I believe it's a CHOICE to be homeless unless you have some physical or mental disability. You can't convince me otherwise.

I live in Chicago and the only change that I give to homeless is to the guy who is missing limbs sitting in a wheelchair. Those guys have fewer options than able bodied men.

Look. My pops brought my family over here when I was 9. Not to sound cliche, but all he had was just a suitcase the first day in America. Since 1990 he has had a construction business and many rental properties with LOTS AND LOTS of dead beat piece of shiit tenants who WORK THE SYSTEM to live on my family's dime for fucccking free. If someone who does not even speak the fucccking language can come to a foreign country with nothing else other than work ethic and little amibtion then how the fuccck do you excuse people who were born here from not holding down a job and having basic necesseties like food and shelter and a job????

By working the system for deadbeat tenants, this is what I mean. I'm speaking just for Chicago. A tenant has to be 30 days delinquent on rent for the landlord to file eviction. (A tenant can live 1 month free) Then the landlord has to actually serve the delinquent tenant a 5 days notice. Which is pretty hard when the deadbeat knows the system and refuses to answer the door when the landlord keeps knocking. Then what you have to do is HIRE someone out of your own pocket to serve the papers to the delinquent tenant.  ...then the real fun begins.

Once the sheriff receives your paperwork it can be fucccking months before the actual eviction happens. Why? Well, it's because the system is set up in favor of the piece of shiiit delinquents. If it rains, too windy, snows, ... sheriff will not come out to evict. Also here in Chicago there is always a huge number of evictions for the sheriff to serve before getting to yours. This post is from experience. I know this because it's happened to my pops numerous times.

What people don't fucccking understand is the landlord can't be a deadbeat to the mortgage company. Imagine going to Chase or Fannie Mae or wherever and saying "Umm...I don't have the money this month, give me a few weeks." Think of what would happen. Instant foreclosure! The tenants have rights to live free on somone else's dime while the eviction process plays out. 

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #108 on: September 07, 2010, 08:52:00 PM »
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #109 on: September 07, 2010, 08:59:25 PM »
Just imagine if the people on here who crush the poor actually were able to make them disappear. In most cases, "they" would become the next POOR. Its a joke, the cycle can never end in this kind of society. Its a Jewish disease to keep wanting more IMDOP(in my dad's opinion)

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« Reply #110 on: September 07, 2010, 09:05:45 PM »
Americans have no idea what poor is.

The main trouble is that there is no penalty for being an idiot anymore since this belief that if you show up you deserve equal shit even without producing anything is rooted itself.

Example: say you want to learn a subject, in times past you would read 10 book on that subject.  No one does any such thing now and if they do they usually end up a millionaire.

There are idiots making money doing jack adn we have government banks, and most 'private' banks are government too, so tons are sucking blood.

I am amazed that things are still so cheap.

Before the fed was esablished in 1913, and caused the great depression soon after in 20s, as governmetn banking always will....prices fell each year in USA.  If you saved you gained.  Now government steal those gains by counterfieting money.
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #111 on: September 07, 2010, 09:59:10 PM »
In the USA, "Greatest Country in the World"  ::) ::) there should be no homeless, etc!! Soooo much focus on foreign everything!! US folk are HIGH needs!! Total gov mismanagement!!

I agree, but the US also does a tremendous amount of good for the world.  I find that Canadians tend to overlook that the sum of their national defense is literally provided by the USA.  For all the bad people talk about regarding the USA, I wish they would spend as much time focusing on the good.  I wouldn't be sitting here right now on the computer if not for American technology and American capitalism.

Americans have no idea what poor is.

Exactly.  Same with Canadians.
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #112 on: September 08, 2010, 09:52:12 AM »
My view of the poor? It's simple. 99% of the time they're lazy, addicts, drunks, ... by their own doing. It does not take a rocket scientist to land a crappy job and be able to make rent in a shit hole apartment each month. I believe it's a CHOICE to be homeless unless you have some physical or mental disability. You can't convince me otherwise.

I live in Chicago and the only change that I give to homeless is to the guy who is missing limbs sitting in a wheelchair. Those guys have fewer options than able bodied men.

Look. My pops brought my family over here when I was 9. Not to sound cliche, but all he had was just a suitcase the first day in America. Since 1990 he has had a construction business and many rental properties with LOTS AND LOTS of dead beat piece of shiit tenants who WORK THE SYSTEM to live on my family's dime for fucccking free. If someone who does not even speak the fucccking language can come to a foreign country with nothing else other than work ethic and little amibtion then how the fuccck do you excuse people who were born here from not holding down a job and having basic necesseties like food and shelter and a job????

By working the system for deadbeat tenants, this is what I mean. I'm speaking just for Chicago. A tenant has to be 30 days delinquent on rent for the landlord to file eviction. (A tenant can live 1 month free) Then the landlord has to actually serve the delinquent tenant a 5 days notice. Which is pretty hard when the deadbeat knows the system and refuses to answer the door when the landlord keeps knocking. Then what you have to do is HIRE someone out of your own pocket to serve the papers to the delinquent tenant.  ...then the real fun begins.

Once the sheriff receives your paperwork it can be fucccking months before the actual eviction happens. Why? Well, it's because the system is set up in favor of the piece of shiiit delinquents. If it rains, too windy, snows, ... sheriff will not come out to evict. Also here in Chicago there is always a huge number of evictions for the sheriff to serve before getting to yours. This post is from experience. I know this because it's happened to my pops numerous times.

What people don't fucccking understand is the landlord can't be a deadbeat to the mortgage company. Imagine going to Chase or Fannie Mae or wherever and saying "Umm...I don't have the money this month, give me a few weeks." Think of what would happen. Instant foreclosure! The tenants have rights to live free on somone else's dime while the eviction process plays out. 




I have several rentals in CA and am CONSTANTLY battling the deadbeats. Here it can literally take up to 6 months to get somebody gone, and during that time 95% of them will just absolutely destroy a place. The system is set up so that the renter has almost all the power, even if they have never paid a cent in months. Earlier this year I evicted a POS who's girlfriend paid the first month in cash (the deposit check bounced), then never paid another cent in 4 months. They have to be legally served, and like you said, all they have to do is not answer the door. You can post the eviction notice on the door but they all know to say they 'never got it for some reason'. This guy I watched rip it off the door when he thought I wasn't looking and then tell the sheriff he had 'no idea' he was being evicted when I called them out to get him a week later.

In my county in CA, they have to be at least 30 days late, be professionally served (at landlords expense) and then they have another 30 days before you can file a claim at the courthouse (at landlords expense). Aftr that, the court assigns a date for hearing (4 to 6 weeks). In my particular case I had to take a day off from work to go to the court date, only to have the shitbag call in and request a continuance an HOUR BEFORE THE COURT TIME, which was of coure, granted by the judge. The second and third court dates he didn't show up for, so the court assigned a date for the sheriff to stand by while we entered the property. Of course the deadbeat stayed in the property until the night before the cops came out, then disappeared and trashed the entire house. Like spray painted walls and kicked holes in every room, left literally TONS of trash, etc.

Also in CA if they do show up for court and they have kids or are complete welfare cases they can use the fact they will have a hard time finding other housing to persuade the judge to issue an injunction against a landlord evicting them, even if they don't pay the rent they agreed to. I had one crackhead woman with a little kid who paid a few months then stopped sending the check. I found out later the government was paying her rent, but she had arrainged the check to be sent to her mailbox, where she then forged my name and took the cash for drugs and booze. The court blocked me from evicting her for three and a half months because of the kid. I finally got rid of her after she was arrested on forgery and drug charges and the kid got sent to foster care... went in with a crew and threw all her shit into the alley and changed the locks. Never saw her again.

It's all a fvcking game with the lower classes.

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #113 on: September 08, 2010, 10:17:26 AM »
I grew up broke as fuck so I know what its like.  I always keep extra dollars in my wallet and each week when I see people with signs I give them the money.  Why?  1. It makes me feel good. 2. A person is in need and those 1 or 2 dollars will make a bigger difference to them then it will for me.

I know there are scammers out there but that's not for me to judge. 

What are your views on poor people domestically?
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #114 on: September 08, 2010, 10:33:27 AM »
I don't put much thought into poor adults, Most are fat, lazy, and douchey. (some are cool as fuck obviously and just victims of circumstance)

The only thing that bothers me about poor people is that the mutherfuckers can't quit reproducing. There isn't much that's more heart breaking than seeing a kid growing up with poor as fuck parents who shouldn't have had kids, and aren't even smart enough to teach them anything. I grew up with an alcoholic mother and I was the poor kid in class. Holy shit theres nothing worse. I remember just wanting to have a can of pepsi and I was almost scolded for having asked. Poor adults can deal with shit, kids have no choice and suffer. There should be financial requirement for having kids.

This is a provocative idea, but ultimately misguided.  Obviously, poor people should not be having twelve kids, but the fact is most people do their best work when they are highly motivated.  There is no greater motivation than want and deprivation.  Some examples:

• think about some of your favorite, most successful, musicians. Most of them do their “best” work early in their careers because that is when they are most “hungry” for success.  Later, when they become wealthy, they become lazy, less creative, less dedicated.  There are exceptions, of course, but this is a common pattern.

• I come from a family of immigrants; the kids in my generation are illustrative.  Four of us grew up in the US; two grew up in England.  The four of us who grew up in the U.S. were all raised in very modest circumstances.  No one would have wanted to trade places with us.  Today, all four of us have graduate degrees and most people would consider us very successful.  Even with a doctorate I am considered the slacker in the family.  Through luck and pluck, my uncle in England became well to do rather quickly.  His two kids had everything growing up, but today the rest of us consider them losers: they have no education, no professional careers, no life or future one would want to trade places with.

• most immigrants are dirt poor when they come to America, but they often excel far beyond those born here.  Tom is one such example http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=281208.0
One of the neighbors I went to school with came from a family of immigrants.  They were very poor and had eight children. Life was a struggle for them.  Today, each of those kids is a huge success.  One is a physician, one a pharmacist, one a teacher (who also owns and manages an apartment building), one is a pro football player (Indianapolis Colts), etc.  Every one of them is a success!

There is a danger in having things come too easy or having too much material success (especially early in life).  Having to work for things builds character.  Are poor kids really suffering?  Does a child “suffer” when he gets an inoculation or are his parents doing him a favor that he is simply not in a position to appreciate?  Going through lean year is a valuable character building experience when it is guided by responsible parenting.

Note, obviously, there is a difference between being “poor” in the US (where being poor means you can’t have the lasted toy, iPod, or designer clothes) and being “poor” in a third world country with no basic infrastructure like running water, electricity, or a roof over your head.  Most Americans do not know what real poverty is.

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #116 on: September 08, 2010, 10:58:36 AM »
Matt C is a great Aryan leader.

Matt, here are some tips:

1. it's ok to be racist
2. it's not ok to be overly racist to the point where you walk down the street, see a black dude, and start spewing racist shit in your head (i know it's not ok, because i've been there)
3.  hating races and looking shit up online to support your views doesn't really lead to anywhere

so as a proud fellow white aryan, here's what you do:

1. make enough to move to an all white gated community
2.  once you do, you'll look around and find another reason to hate your fellow white man (i know this, because i'm there now, i hate the shit out of my neighbors and they're white as can be, just cuz there's no blacks to hate)
3. it'll turn you into a mean person...don't you have a daughter to take care of?  leave that preaching shit to someone else, and go play with your kid in a park
4.  remember, blacks are criminals and love to rape and steal, but they never eat 30 people and keep their heads in the fridge or rape boys til they die and then bury them in their basement
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #117 on: September 08, 2010, 12:26:06 PM »
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #118 on: September 08, 2010, 01:06:14 PM »
I have several rentals in CA and am CONSTANTLY battling the deadbeats. Here it can literally take up to 6 months to get somebody gone, and during that time 95% of them will just absolutely destroy a place. The system is set up so that the renter has almost all the power, even if they have never paid a cent in months. Earlier this year I evicted a POS who's girlfriend paid the first month in cash (the deposit check bounced), then never paid another cent in 4 months. They have to be legally served, and like you said, all they have to do is not answer the door. You can post the eviction notice on the door but they all know to say they 'never got it for some reason'. This guy I watched rip it off the door when he thought I wasn't looking and then tell the sheriff he had 'no idea' he was being evicted when I called them out to get him a week later.

Great post.  Where I am it's the same thing.  The tenant have all the rights and the landlord has next to none.  This really gives only one incentive which is to work especially hard to keep bad tenants out to begin with.  As far as discrimination is concerned, let's just say I would much rather rent to an old lady on pension than a young man.  I guess this means I'm prejudiced towards young men.  ::)

I think a lot of people watch movies like "The Pursuit of Happyness" which glorify poor people and make the hard working productive people of the world look like the bad person.  In reality, the more people I meet, the more I realize the opposite is typically true.  I had a tenant who didn't pay me rent and burned holes in my carpet from smoking.  What was I supposed to do, keep renting to him rent-free forever?  Until when?  Until I'm bankrupt?  Until I find myself unable to afford to live?

Yeah, no thanks.

I have an continue to interact with poor people on a regular basis.  Every additional bit of life experience that I acquire merely confirms what I already believe, with very little exception.
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #119 on: September 08, 2010, 01:14:30 PM »
Matt C is a great Caucasian leader.

Matt, here are some tips:

1. it's ok to be racist
2. it's not ok to be overly racist to the point where you walk down the street, see a black dude, and start spewing racist shit in your head (i know it's not ok, because i've been there)
3.  hating races and looking shit up online to support your views doesn't really lead to anywhere

so as a proud fellow white Caucasian, here's what you do:

1. make enough to move to an all white gated community
2.  once you do, you'll look around and find another reason to hate your fellow white man (i know this, because i'm there now, i hate the shit out of my neighbors and they're white as can be, just cuz there's no blacks to hate)
3. it'll turn you into a mean person...don't you have a daughter to take care of?  leave that preaching shit to someone else, and go play with your kid in a park
4.  remember, blacks are criminals and love to rape and steal, but they never eat 30 people and keep their heads in the fridge or rape boys til they die and then bury them in their basement

This is actually a great post despite the sarcasm.  ;D

I think the bottom line is that regardless of group trends, it is important to treat individuals as individuals as often as possible.

Having said that, stereotypes are valid heuristics and in the absence of specific information, sometimes general information is the only method we have of making a judgment.  For example, I'm sure everyone here would admit that they would be more worried about coming across a bodybuilder in a dark alley than an old lady.  Is that not a form of sexism?  It's an example of generalizing someone, so what's the difference?

As for your comment about White people living in all-White gated communities who still hate their fellow Whites - I agree!  I know many such people.  These same people praise diversity and praise every other race, yet they can't even tolerate living in their upper class comfortable neighbourhood!  The type of things these people whine about is hilarious.  For example, one person I know was complaining that he had to wait in line at the store for a long time.  LOL!!!  And this guy thinks he would be able to handle living in the ghetto?  Pfft.  :P

That's why these rich liberal Whites annoy me so much.  They live the most pro-capitalist, pro-White supremacist lives while bashing both.  ::)  No different than Michael Moore bashing the USA, the same country that helped him earn $50,000,000.

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #120 on: September 08, 2010, 01:38:45 PM »
I am a resident of a white, upper middle class to wealthy neighborhood. We don't tolerate poor folks here. In order to slip in under our city police radar, one must be able to fake not being poor. One way to do that, I believe is to hang out at Starbucks all day. If you buy a drink in the morning, they give you a freebee one in the afternoon....oh yeah, you may need a Gold card to take advantage of this. But at least this way when you're unemployed and broke you just look like the rest of us idle rich folks who meet daily around 11:00 a.m. or 2:30 p.m. to chat at Starbucks. This trick works even better if you can steal a laptop, turn it on and look like your checking your investments in the stock market.

Caution, if you are uninformed about our poverty rules and you should happen to stand by one of our two freeway on/off ramps with a sign begging handouts, you'll last about five minutes before our coppers send you on your way. I've seen it happen! They may even give you a ride out of the city limits.



Here is a link to the West Linn, OR demographics page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Linn,_Oregon#Demographics

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #121 on: September 08, 2010, 01:43:22 PM »
I am a resident of a white, upper middle class to wealthy neighborhood. We don't tolerate poor folks here. In order to slip in under our city police radar, one must be able to fake not being poor. One way to do that, I believe is to hang out at Starbucks all day. If you buy a drink in the morning, they give you a freebee one in the afternoon....oh yeah, you may need a Gold card to take advantage of this. But at least this way when you're unemployed and broke you just look like the rest of us idle rich folks who meet daily around 11:00 a.m. or 2:30 p.m. to chat at Starbucks. This trick works even better if you can steal a laptop, turn it on and look like your checking your investments in the stock market.

Caution, if you are uninformed about our poverty rules and you should happen to stand by one of our two freeway on/off ramps with a sign begging handouts, you'll last about five minutes before our coppers send you on your way. I've seen it happen! They may even give you a ride out of the city limits.



Here is a link to the West Linn, OR demographics page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Linn,_Oregon#Demographics


Police are under intense pressure to not discriminate.  They can lose their pension over doing it.  If police are arresting more poor people than rich people it is because [surprise, surprise], poor people commit more crime.

Modern day USA and Canada are still meritocracies for the most part.  My friend has a disability and his IQ is around 60.  It only makes sense that he would be poor while someone like Einstein would have gone on to great success, does it not?  In a meritocracy, the cream will eventually rise to the top, although I admit that sometimes it may take a while.  I truly hope that the USA in its current form can be preserved.  American capitalism has given more to the world than it is has ever taken from it.
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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #122 on: September 08, 2010, 02:01:48 PM »
I am a resident of a white, upper middle class to wealthy neighborhood. We don't tolerate poor folks here. In order to slip in under our city police radar, one must be able to fake not being poor. One way to do that, I believe is to hang out at Starbucks all day. If you buy a drink in the morning, they give you a freebee one in the afternoon....oh yeah, you may need a Gold card to take advantage of this. But at least this way when you're unemployed and broke you just look like the rest of us idle rich folks who meet daily around 11:00 a.m. or 2:30 p.m. to chat at Starbucks. This trick works even better if you can steal a laptop, turn it on and look like your checking your investments in the stock market.

Caution, if you are uninformed about our poverty rules and you should happen to stand by one of our two freeway on/off ramps with a sign begging handouts, you'll last about five minutes before our coppers send you on your way. I've seen it happen! They may even give you a ride out of the city limits.



Here is a link to the West Linn, OR demographics page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Linn,_Oregon#Demographics


West Lynn was pretty nice when I was there. Of course, that was about 12+ years ago...

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #123 on: September 08, 2010, 02:09:34 PM »
Great post.  Where I am it's the same thing.  The tenant have all the rights and the landlord has next to none.  This really gives only one incentive which is to work especially hard to keep bad tenants out to begin with.  As far as discrimination is concerned, let's just say I would much rather rent to an old lady on pension than a young man.  I guess this means I'm prejudiced towards young men.  ::)

I think a lot of people watch movies like "The Pursuit of Happyness" which glorify poor people and make the hard working productive people of the world look like the bad person.  In reality, the more people I meet, the more I realize the opposite is typically true.  I had a tenant who didn't pay me rent and burned holes in my carpet from smoking.  What was I supposed to do, keep renting to him rent-free forever?  Until when?  Until I'm bankrupt?  Until I find myself unable to afford to live?

Yeah, no thanks.

I have an continue to interact with poor people on a regular basis.  Every additional bit of life experience that I acquire merely confirms what I already believe, with very little exception.

Yea, but the majority of 'poor people' in the rental game are experts at playing the game and acting their way into looking like tolerable people. The best way to find out about them is to check court records if available. If I see ANY indication of tenant issues with a person or anyone in their immediate family, even if it looks like they were in the 'right', there is no way they get in, no matter how great they seem otherwise.

Also around here you don't even consider renting to mexicans due to the fact 99.7% of the time the property will become a drug/party house with 27 people living there and/or a safehouse for travelling illegals. I have friends who have been burned by leasing to decent-looking hispanics, then the people they lease to disappear and no rent ever comes in. Then you have the issue of evicting random squatters thru the courts when you don't have anyone specific to serve the papers to.

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Re: What is your view of the poor?
« Reply #124 on: September 08, 2010, 02:30:16 PM »
I think a lot of people watch movies like "The Pursuit of Happyness" which glorify poor people and make the hard working productive people of the world look like the bad person.

'The pursuit of happyness' wasn't a movie that glorified poor people, but one that showed the main character's strength and spirit, which he used to overcome great odds and eventually become successful. The poverty was used as a background, to show how tough his life was at times, and was not the main focus of the movie nor it's central theme.

In some ways, it was very inspirational.