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Long Island Man Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47
Says Many Gang Members Were Coming After His Family
September 7, 2010 6:20 PM


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/07/long-island-man-arrested-for-defending-home-with-ak-47/

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UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CBS 2) — He was arrested for protecting his property and family.

But it’s how the Long Island man did it that police say crossed the line.

He got a high powered AK-47 and pulled the trigger and he ended up in jail, reports CBS 2’s Pablo Guzman.

George Grier said he had to use his rifle on Sunday night to stop what he thought was going to be an invasion of his Uniondale home by a gang he thought might have been the vicious “MS-13.” He said the whole deal happened as he was about to drive his cousin home.

“I went around and went into the house, ran upstairs and told my wife to call the police. I get the gun and I go outside and I come into the doorway and now, by this time, they are in the driveway, back here near the house. I tell them, you know, ‘Can you please leave?’ Grier said.

Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house.

“He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.

Grier was later arrested. John Lewis is Grier’s attorney.

“What he’s initially charged with – A D felony reckless endangerment — requires a depraved indifference to human life, creating a risk that someone’s going to die. Shooting into a lawn doesn’t create a risk of anybody dying,” Lewis said.

Grier said he knew Nassau County Police employ the hi-tech “ShotSpotter” technology in his area and that the shooting would bring police in minutes. Cops told Guzman he was very cooperative.

Grier also said he was afraid the gang outside his house was the dreaded MS-13. And Nassau County Police Lt. Andrew Mulraine, head of the gang unit, said MS-13 has 2,000 members in the county.

“They’re probably the most organized. They almost have a military hierarchy within the gang, so they are the most organized gang we encounter on a daily basis,” Mulraine said.

You may think a person has the right to defend their home. But the law says you can only use physical force to deter physical force. Grier said he never saw anyone pull out a gun, so a court would have to decide on firing the gun.

Police determined Grier had the gun legally. He has no criminal record. And so he was not charged for the weapon.

That ShotSpotter technology pinpoints where a gun has been fired within 35 feet. Police said it also detected two other shootings in nearby Roosevelt that night.


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L.I. Man Fires Gun, Arrested In Dispute On His Lawn
September 6, 2010 11:44 PM


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George Grier with Attorney John Lewis Jr. (Photo/Kathleen Maloney)

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NEW YORK (AP/1010 WINS) — A homeowner who grabbed a rifle from his house and fired warning shots in a confrontation with a group of MS-13 gang members on his lawn faces criminal charges, but his family said he was defending his home from a threatening mass of strangers.

George Grier, 30, fired rounds into the ground and air from an assault-style rifle after arguing with a large group  gathered outside his Long Island home Sunday evening, Nassau County police said Monday. No one was hurt.

His sister, Caprice Rines, said Grier feared for the safety of his wife and two small children when about 20 men converged on his Uniondale lawn after two of them began quarreling. He didn’t know the men, who ignored his requests to leave and kept approaching the house, she said.

Grier's Family waiting in Nassau Criminal Court (Photo/Kathleen Maloney)

“They were swarming on the property,” so he got a hunting rifle he had bought at a sporting-goods store, she said. “He felt like: ‘I have to protect my family.’”

The encounter stirred memories of the case of John White, a black Long Island homeowner who shot a white teenager in his driveway in 2006. White had confronted a group of teens who were spewing racial epithets and feuding with his son. White said his pistol went off accidentally. It happened in Riverhead, about 55 miles east of Uniondale.

White said he brandished the weapon because he feared a Ku Klux Klan-style attack on the family; an appeals court upheld his manslaughter conviction, saying he should have called police instead of getting a gun. White was sentenced to two to four years in prison.

Grier is black; the men on his lawn were Hispanic, according to police and his sister, who said members of their family had demonstrated in support of White.

Grier was arrested on reckless endangerment and weapons possession charges. He was released on $10,000 bond after his arraignment Monday, his sister said. His lawyer and prosecutors didn’t immediately return telephone calls.

A FedEx worker, Grier is the grandson of a local minister and is a church deacon himself, his sister said. He and his wife have two daughters, 2 and 1.

“This is blowing our minds, that he’s being arrested for this,” Rines said. “You’re talking about a family that are believers, and we believe we have the right to bear arms.”

He bought the rifle for self-defense amid concern about recent shootings in the area, she said.

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Unfreaking real.  this guy does nore to pretect the nabe than the useless cops. 

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Uniondale Family Afraid After Weekend Dispute
September 7, 2010 12:38 PM



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UNIONDALE, N.Y. (1010 WINS/ AP) – George Grier is out on bail after allegedly firing warning shots with a rifle at a group of suspected gang members over the weekend and now he’s in seclusion at his home in Uniondale.

His wife, Ylana, said the family is shaken and afraid that the large group of men who invaded their property will come back.

“There’s that feeling of are they coming back to retaliate?” Ylana Grier said. “How can I still guard my home? We no longer have the rifle.”

Grier, 30, was arrested after he fired rounds into the ground and air from an assault-style rifle after arguing with 15 to 20 men — believed to be MS-13 gang members – gathered outside his Long Island home Sunday evening, Nassau County police said.

“They were literally on my lawn,” Grier’s wife said. “I felt they were going to invade my home, I thought my husband was going to be killed.”

No one was hurt in the incident.

Ylana Grier said her husband was merely protecting her and their two young daughters — ages 2 and 1 — from the men. She said the family did not know who the men were or why they swarmed the lawn.

Grier was arrested on reckless endangerment and weapons possession charges. He was released on $10,000 bond after his arraignment Monday.

A FedEx worker, Grier is the grandson of a local minister and is a church deacon himself, his sister, Caprice Rines said. Grier bought the rifle for self-defense amid concern about recent shootings in the area, Rines said.

The family is now relying on surveillance cameras and a pit bull for protection.

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The cops IMHO are worse than the criminals. 

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Isn't it ironic that normal black folks are the biggest defenders of the 2nd amendment these days? First there was the black dude from Chicago who won that landmark Supreme Court case a few months ago. Now this guy stands up for his family against a violent burrito street gang by firing a gun into the air, and ends up in jail.


Black politicians and liberal white polticians only want black criminals to have guns and use guns. Regular people and police officers should learn how to dodge bullets and throw paper clips. 

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The cops, the DA's, ICE, et al are mainly at fault IMHO since they put people in these situations to fend for themselves against these vile disgusting invaders.   


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Isn't it ironic that normal black folks are the biggest defenders of the 2nd amendment these days? First there was the black dude from Chicago who won that landmark Supreme Court case a few months ago. Now this guy stands up for his family against a violent burrito street gang by firing a gun into the air, and ends up in jail.


Black politicians and liberal white polticians only want black criminals to have guns and use guns. Regular people and police officers should learn how to dodge bullets and throw paper clips. 

Law abiding blacks get the shiv by all sides in this society. 

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I like the way the story sensationalizes the AK 47 as a "high powered" rifle. Give me a fucking break, why can't someone defend their home and family?
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I want to know what the individual's race has to do with anything?
...or for that matter, the race of those amassing on his lawn.

it is a simple case of a homeowner trying to defend his property, his safety and that of his family, against those he thought might do them harm. Race is irrelevant, ...unless you're looking to appeal to racists. for whom race does make a difference.
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I want to know what the individual's race has to do with anything?
...or for that matter, the race of those amassing on his lawn.

it is a simple case of a homeowner trying to defend his property, his safety and that of his family, against those he thought might do them harm. Race is irrelevant, ...unless you're looking to appeal to racists. for whom race does make a difference.

I brought it up to highlight that its not only whites who are victimized by the illegal alien filth and that its not only whites who exercise their second amendment rights to protect their families. 

 

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Better to be tried by 12, than carried by 6.  Most here would do the same doggone thing.  There's no depraved indifference here, but the cops had to make an arrest.  He'll certainly walk, or get probation.

He should have had a better story prepared for the popo when they arrived at his door, or just told them he was in shock and wanted his lawyer.  The statement his lawyer scripted in the morning would have contained enough details to avoid an arrest.  He probably admitting he didn't SEE them, etc - which doesn't help him.  His lawyer could have worded things more appropriately.  His initial statement is probably what hurts him the most here.  "I feared for my life, I need medical attention and my attorney now" should have been his only statement.  Tears wouldn't hurt either.

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2010, 06:06:24 AM »
Again - stories like this are why i loathe the freaking Govt. 

They put citizens in these positions because they refuse to do their job and deport these invaders and then arrest the guy for trying to protect him family from these savages and barbarians. 

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2010, 06:14:02 AM »
well, yes and no.... if you OKAY it... then you have every dickhead in the world lighting up his yard because he heard a noise.

So technically... you gotta make an arrest here, unfortunately.  He should have laid down quietly and just let them enter the house, THEN put 30 rounds thru that hallway ;)

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2010, 07:51:10 AM »
I want to know what the individual's race has to do with anything?
...or for that matter, the race of those amassing on his lawn.

it is a simple case of a homeowner trying to defend his property, his safety and that of his family, against those he thought might do them harm. Race is irrelevant, ...unless you're looking to appeal to racists. for whom race does make a difference.

Notice Jag who posted the article...also notice that all three articles DO NOT mention race and only says a "man" "gun" and "gang" never is race mentioned. 3 decides to put his spin on things and brings up race and comments on deportation. Who said the gang members are in america illegally? Who asked for the race of the man who brandished the weapon?

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2010, 07:54:33 AM »
Notice Jag who posted the article...also notice that all three articles DO NOT mention race and only says a "man" "gun" and "gang" never is race mentioned. 3 decides to put his spin on things and brings up race and comments on deportation. Who said the gang members are in america illegally? Who asked for the race of the man who brandished the weapon?



Do you even know who MS13 is?

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2010, 07:56:09 AM »
Do you even know who MS13 is?

I've never seen Sorcha Faal mention MS-13 so chances are that she has no clue.

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 08:13:07 AM »
Do you even know who MS13 is?

Crazy Mexicans or Salvadorians i think

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
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Mara Salvatrucha

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Mara Salvatrucha

Mara Salvatrucha gang member with gang's name tattooed on his back

Years active 1980 - present

Territory North America,

Central America, Mexico

Ethnicity Latino

Membership 70,000 [1]

Criminal activities Drug trafficking, robbery, Auto theft, extortion, human trafficking, illegal immigration, money laundering, murder, people smuggling, pandering, racketeering, assault, kidnapping and arms trafficking.

Allies Sinaloa Cartel, La Familia Michoacana, Mexican Mafia

Rivals Beltrán-Leyva Cartel, Los Zetas, Juarez Cartel, 18th Street gang

Mara Salvatrucha (commonly abbreviated as MS, Mara, and MS-13) is a transnational criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles and has spread to other parts of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Central America.[2] The majority of the gang is ethnically composed of Central Americans and active in urban and suburban areas.

Members of MS distinguish themselves by tattoos covering the body and also often the face as well as the use of its own sign language. They are notorious for their use of violence and a subcultural moral code that predominantly consists of merciless revenge and cruel retributions.

This excessive cruelty of the distinguished members of the "Maras" or "Mareros", earned them a path to be recruited by the criminal organization of Sinaloa, Joaquin Guzman, to be trained in handling weapons and counter the force from the Gulf Organization (Los Zetas), a war that rages south of the United States Border.[3][4][5]

 
Sinaloa Cartel hierarchy in early 2008Contents [hide]
1 History
1.1 Etymology
2 Publicized crimes
2.1 Illegal immigration and human smuggling
3 Gang markings and hand signs
4 In film
5 References
5.1 Citations
5.2 Further reading
6 See also
7 External links
 
History
The Mara Salvatrucha gang originated in Los Angeles, set up in the 1980s by Salvadoran immigrants in the city's Pico-Union neighborhood who immigrated to the United States after the Central American civil wars of the 1980s.[6][7]

Originally, the gang's main purpose was to protect Salvadoran immigrants from the other much more established gangs of their local Pico Union neighborhoods which were primarily composed of Mexican-Americans (aka Chicanos) and to a much lesser extent African-American gangs in the outskirt neighborhoods.[8]

Many Mara Salvatrucha gang members from the Los Angeles area have been deported after being arrested.[9] As a result of these deportations, members of MS have recruited more members in their home countries. The Los Angeles Times contends that deportation policies have contributed to the size and influence of the gang both in the United States and in Central America.[9] According to the 2009 National Gang Threat Assessment, "The gang is estimated to have 30,000 to 50,000 members and associate members worldwide, 8,000 to 10,000 of whom reside in the United States".[10]

In recent years the gang has expanded into the Washington, D.C. area, in particular the areas of Langley Park and Takoma Park near the Washington border have become centers of MS gang activity.[11] Their wide-ranging activities and elevated status has even caught the eye of the FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, who recently initiated wide-scale raids against known and suspected gang members netting hundreds of arrests across the country.

Etymology
There is some dispute about the etymology of the name.

Some sources state the gang is named for La Mara, a street in San Salvador, and the Salvatrucha guerrillas who fought in the Salvadoran Civil War.[12] Additionally, the word mara means gang in Caliche and is taken from marabunta, the name of a fierce type of ant. "Salvatrucha" may be a combination of the words Salvadoran and trucha, a Caliche word for being alert.

The "13" in MS-13, according to an episode of History Channel's Gangland, is taken from the Mexican gang La Eme (Eme, or "M", being the 13th letter of the alphabet); the episode reported that MS-13 was impressed with La Eme's effectiveness as a gang and took the 13 in tribute to them.

Publicized crimes
On July 13, 2003, Brenda Paz, a 17-year-old female, former MS member turned informant was found stabbed on the banks of the Shenandoah River in Virginia. Paz was killed for informing the FBI about Mara Salvatrucha criminal activities. Two of her former friends were later convicted of the murder.[13]

In 2004, the FBI created the MS National Gang Task Force; in 2005, it helped create a National Gang Information Center and outlined a National Gang Strategy for Congress.[14]

On December 23, 2004, one of the most widely publicized MS crimes in Central America occurred in Chamelecón, Honduras when an intercity bus was intercepted and sprayed with automatic gunfire, killing 28 civilian passengers, most of whom were women and children.[15] MS organized the massacre as a protest against the Honduran government for proposing a restoration of the death penalty in Honduras. Six gunmen raked the bus with gunfire. As passengers screamed and ducked, another gunman climbed aboard and methodically executed passengers.[16] In February 2007, Juan Carlos Miranda Bueso and Darwin Alexis Ramírez were found guilty of several crimes including murder and attempted murder. Ebert Anibal Rivera was held over the attack and was arrested after having fled to Texas.[17] Juan Bautista Jimenez, accused of masterminding the massacre, was killed in prison. According to the authorities, fellow MS-13 inmates hanged him.[18] There was insufficient evidence to convict Óscar Fernando Mendoza and Wilson Geovany Gómez.[17]

 
An MS suspect bearing gang tattoos is handcuffed.On May 13, 2006, Ernesto "Smokey" Miranda, an ex-high ranking soldier and one of the founders of Mara Salvatrucha, was murdered at his home in El Salvador a few hours after declining to attend a party for a gang member who had just been released from prison. He had begun studying law and working to keep children out of gangs.[19]

On June 4, 2008, in Toronto, Ontario, police executed 22 search warrants, made 17 arrests and laid 63 charges following a five-month investigation.[20]

On June 22, 2008, in San Francisco, California, a 21-year old MS gang member, Edwin Ramos, shot and killed a father, Anthony Bologna, 48, and his two sons Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16, after their car briefly blocked Ramos from completing a left turn down a narrow street as they were returning home from a family barbecue.[21]

On November 26, 2008, Jonathan Retana was convicted of the murder of Miguel Angel Deras, which the authorities linked to an MS initiation.[22]

In 2008, the MS task force coordinated a series of arrests and crackdowns in the U.S. and Central America that involved more than 6,000 police officers in five countries. Seventy-three suspects were arrested in the U.S.; in all, more than 650 were taken into custody.[23]

In February 2009, authorities in Colorado and California arrested 20 members of MS and seized 10 pounds of methamphetamine, 2.3 kilograms (5 pounds) of cocaine, a small amount of heroin, 12 firearms and $3,300 in cash.[24]

In June 2009, Edwin Ortiz, Jose Gomez Amaya and Alexander Aguilar were MS gang members from Long Island who had mistaken bystanders for rival gang members. As a result, two innocent civilians were shot; Edgar Villalobos, a laborer, was killed.[25]

Illegal immigration and human smuggling
According to The Washington Times, MS "is thought to have established a major smuggling center" in Mexico.[26] There were reports by the Minuteman Project that MS members were ordered to Arizona to target U.S. Border Patrol agents and Minuteman Project volunteers.[27][28]

In 2005, Honduran Security Minister Oscar Alvarez and the President of El Salvador raised alarm by claiming that Muslim terrorist organization Al-Qaeda was meeting with Mara Salvatrucha and other Central American gangs to help them infiltrate the United States. FBI agents said that the U.S. intelligence community and governments of several Central American countries found there is no basis to believe that MS is connected to Al-Qaeda or other Islamic radicals, although Oscar did visit Central America to discuss the issue.[29]

Robert Morales, a prosecutor for Guatemala, indicated to The Globe and Mail that some Central American gang members seek refugee status in Canada. Superintendent of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police integrated gang task force, John Robin, said in an interview that "I think [gang members] have a feeling that police here won't treat them in the harsh manner they get down there."[30] Robin noted that Canadian authorities "want to avoid ending up like the U.S., which is dealing with the problem of Central American gangsters on a much bigger scale".[30]

On the southern border of Mexico, the gang has unleashed violence against migrants.[31]

Gang markings and hand signs
 
An MS gang sign and tattoos.Many Mara Salvatrucha members cover themselves in tattoos. Common markings include "MS", "Salvatrucha", the "Devil Horns", the name of their clique, and other symbols.[32] A December 2007 CNN internet news article stated that the gang was moving away from the tattoos in an attempt to commit crimes without being noticed.[33]

Members of Mara Salvatrucha, like members of most modern American gangs, utilize a system of hand signs for purposes of identification and communication. One of the most commonly displayed is the "devil's head" which forms an 'M' when displayed upside down. This hand sign is similar to the same symbol commonly seen displayed by heavy metal musicians and their fans. Founders of Mara Salvatrucha borrowed the hand sign after attending concerts of heavy metal bands.[34]

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 08:21:05 AM »
I mean its like this..I do believe in our 2nd ammendment rights...and i guess you do need a high powered rifle if a bunch of methed out mexicans are on your grass where your family lives...

i cant disagree with this..

But i still feel somethings wrong...i dont know what though...maybe i been brainwashed

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2010, 08:24:31 AM »
The problem is the guy fired a round into the dirt. 

If he fired it in the air, maybe I can see a argument by the DA, but not the dirt. 

Who was endangered/  A worm?  a gopher or a rat? 

And WTF?  30 gang members threating your life on your lawn?  By the time the cops get there, huis  whole fgamily could have been killed by these beasts. 

He should have called the cops and said - "I have thirty gang members on my lawn, threatening my life and family who refuse to leave.  I am fear for my life and believe they are heavily armed". 


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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2010, 08:25:20 AM »
The problem is the guy fired a round into the dirt. 

If he fired it in the air, maybe I can see a argument by the DA, but not the dirt. 

Who was endangered/  A worm?  a gopher or a rat? 

And WTF?  30 gang members threating your life on your lawn?  By the time the cops get there, huis  whole fgamily could have been killed by these beasts. 

He should have called the cops and said - "I have thirty gang members on my lawn, threatening my life and family who refuse to leave.  I am fear for my life and believe they are heavily armed". 



YOU = CORRECT..

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2010, 08:57:11 AM »
33,

could you excuse the guy who fires off 300 rounds into a dirt mound in his yard - then claims "i heard a noise!"

of course not.  and since legally there cannot be a gray area there... this is what happens. 

he'll beat the rap here, and he did the right thing.  My guess is that he admitted more than he should have. 

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2010, 12:29:35 PM »
Two things, and both are directed at the same person:

First to multiple personality disorder part 1 jag: The guys race is important because braindead low life's such as yourself characterize all gun owners as red neck nuts that just want to kill people. It's also important that race is highlighted because Whites aren't the only ones that are being victimzed by the cucarachas sneaking into the country.

Second to multiple personality disorder part 2 SAMSON the ape: I'm surprised that you didn't post a youtube video or article claiming that MS13 was created by the CIA as an excuse to give more money to Israel. Kudos.

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2010, 12:56:42 PM »
Quick lesson for the guy for next time...

If you see people gathering in your yard, quarrelling with each other

1. Call the cops ( he did that..good job)

2. If you feel threatened because the group MAY decide to suddenly swarm your home, get your firearm

3. REMAIN IN YOUR HOUSE until the police arrive or they attempt to gain entry. At that point you can fire your weapon (shoot at the threat)  and have a much better chance of not getting arrested.

I don't think he did anything criminal enough to get convicted of a crime. Chances are, if his record is clean, he is telling the truth, then charges will be dropped as they should. But sooooo many things could have gone wrong with his scenario.. From what I read, 2 men, unrelated to him or his cousin, were engaged in an argument that ended up on his lawn. He claims he thought they were MS13. If that is the case, coming out and shooting off rounds just marked him for a toe tag. Plus, in a gang of 20 or 30 gang members, there are going to be several guns.. return fire wouldn't be surprising. Likely, had he stayed inside, guarded his home with his rifle until police arrive, it would have taken care of itself. I think he made a poor choice on many levels, but I doubt charges will stand.     

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Re: N.Y. Man (Black) Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47 from MS-13 (Illegals)
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2010, 05:02:33 PM »
Two things, and both are directed at the same person:

First to multiple personality disorder part 1 jag: The guys race is important because braindead low life's such as yourself characterize all gun owners as red neck nuts that just want to kill people. It's also important that race is highlighted because Whites aren't the only ones that are being victimzed by the cucarachas sneaking into the country.

When have I ever claimed all gun owners were red neck nuts that just want to kill people.
When have I ever came out against the right to bear arms? I think YOU are the one making generalizations & assumptions about my opinions & positions. The race of either party is still irrelevant imo. The big assumption too is that the people amassing on his lawn were illegal. when was this established? The bottom line is a homeowner felt threatened on his own property, took defensive measures and ended up between a rock & a hard place full of government bureaucracy & red tape. it happens. There's no reason to throw race into the pot. It doesn't belong there. 
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2010, 06:17:11 PM »
Of course it doesn't-- because you can't capitalize on it to advance your pathetic leftist agenda.

Now all of a sudden, race doesn't matter.

Silly me. I apologize.