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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 06:33:30 AM »
Excellent read GW......and you are sooooo right on the money.  I have been babbling for years to anyone who will listen that the REAL threat to western society as we know it, is Islam.  Pure and simple.  And it sickens me how quickly some people (liberals) will just dismiss it as another religion and excuse the inexcusable behavior by simply saying "they are just behind us a few hundred years...."  like THAT makes it acceptable! 

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 06:58:15 AM »
It's almost as if liberals intentionally dehumanize Muslims and in their own ivory tower way discriminate against them by excusing their violent behavior in the same manner that an irresponsible mother reacts to their child misbehaving. The mother refuses to discipline the child because the child is young and that's what children do. Meanwhile the kid thinks he can get away with murder-- all too often the kid is correct. Liberals used to cry equality, until sounding the bell for equality stopped yielding the results they wanted--- An Orwellian utopia where up is down, black is white and everyone is equally mediocre. Now, there are protected classes that get more rights than the rest of us. Muslims just happen to be the welfare recipients of thought police generosity.

The same horsehit brand of logic has been applied in this country to minorities (except Asians) with respect to education, crime and numerous other issues. It's always institutional racism, economic discrimination, poor nutrition, bad light bulbs or anything else under the sun that can be used to detract attention from the reality that bad parenting and a complete lack of accountability are largely to blame.

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 07:04:37 AM »
So true George.  i had a conversation one day with a distant relative about the muslim issue.  His response was just a shrug and "times are changing...."  He has 2 daughters that he adores and I just ask him if he would be comfortable with them living in a Sharia law atmosphere....first he wasn't clear what that meant, 2nd he didn't realize the Koran commands it lastly he went into the old "it'll never happen here" routine.  Oh really?  Ask europe, especially France and England how that has worked out....

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 07:06:30 AM »
So true George.  i had a conversation one day with a distant relative about the muslim issue.  His response was just a shrug and "times are changing...."  He has 2 daughters that he adores and I just ask him if he would be comfortable with them living in a Sharia law atmosphere....first he wasn't clear what that meant, 2nd he didn't realize the Koran commands it lastly he went into the old "it'll never happen here" routine.  Oh really?  Ask europe, especially France and England how that has worked out....

We are our own worst enemy. 

The far left is the enemy within far worse than any foreign foe. 

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 11:45:30 AM »
We are our own worst enemy. 

The far left is the enemy within far worse than any foreign foe. 

no religion is about peace or tolerance

Islam certainly is the current world leader is violent religious nutbags but virtually every religion has had their turn at it.

btw - nice job demoninzing your fellow citizens

if the left is your enemy then what do you propose to do if you can't vote them out of power


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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 11:48:54 AM »
The Myth: 

Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same.  Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense - and when it was necessary.  True Muslims would never act aggressively.

The Truth:

Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them.  The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not part of his growing empire.

After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way.  Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim.  Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together with blood and violence.

The prophet of Islam's most faithful followers and even his own family turned on each other as well.  There were four caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years, each of which was a trusted companion of his.  Three of these four were murdered.  The third caliph was murdered by those allied with the son of the first.  The fourth Caliph was murdered in the midst of a conflict with the fifth, who began a 100-year dynasty of excess and debauchery that was ended in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle.

Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad.  Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated by Muslim rivals.  Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis.  His people became Shias.  The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded.

Muslim apologists, who like to say that is impossible for today's terrorists to be Muslim when they kill fellow Muslims, would have a very tough time explaining the war between Fatima's followers and Aisha to a knowledgeable audience.  Muhammad's favorite daughter and his favorite wife were both explicitly held up by him as model Muslim women, yet they were both invoked by other companions as they engaged in violent civil war following his death.  Which one was the prophet of God so horribly wrong about?

Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus).  For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword.

Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists.

By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Syria to Spain, and across North Africa.

Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans.  The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years, until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory).  To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized for the victims of Jihad and slavery.

There is not another religion in the world that consistently produces terrorism in the name of religion as does Islam.  The most dangerous Muslims are nearly always those who interpret the Qur’an most transparently.  They are the fundamentalists or purists of the faith, and believe in Muhammad’s mandate to spread Islamic rule by the sword, putting to death those who will not submit.

The holy texts of Islam are saturated with verses of violence and hatred toward those outside the faith.  In sharp contrast to the Bible, which generally moves from relatively violent episodes to far more peaceful mandates, the Qur’an travels the exact opposite path (violence is first forbidden, then permitted, then mandatory).  The handful of earlier verses that speak of tolerance are overwhelmed by an avalanche of later ones that carry a much different message.  While Old Testament verses of blood and guts are generally bound by historical context within the text itself, Qur'anic imperatives to violence usually appear open-ended and subject to personal interpretation.

From the history of the faith to its most sacred writings, those who want to believe in "peaceful Islam" have a lot more of Islam to ignore than do the terrorists.  By any objective measure, the "Religion of Peace" has been the harshest, bloodiest religion the world has ever known.

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 11:50:58 AM »
no religion is about peace or tolerance

Islam certainly is the current world leader is violent religious nutbags but virtually every religion has had their turn at it.

btw - nice job demoninzing your fellow citizens

if the left is your enemy then what do you propose to do if you can't vote them out of power



We will vote them out of power.Eventually you will se a rise in right wing networks,you see how FOX bashes the "competition" every night.Eventually others will come and the liberal domination of the media will be over and the people will become informed as to how the left is PURPOSELY destroying the country.

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 12:04:38 PM »
We will vote them out of power.Eventually you will se a rise in right wing networks,you see how FOX bashes the "competition" every night.Eventually others will come and the liberal domination of the media will be over and the people will become informed as to how the left is PURPOSELY destroying the country.

if you knew your history better you'd realize  in the last 30 years the Repubs (and to some extent Dems too) have already systematically destroyed our country in favor of the interests of domestic and foreign corporations.

Money is all that matters anymore

good luck with getting enough people to vote for right wing loonies

I think that's going to be an uphill battle

I know it's hard to understand from your perspective but there just aren't enough crazy people who vote 


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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 12:08:09 PM »
if you knew your history better you'd realize  in the last 30 years the Repubs (and to some extent Dems too) have already systematically destroyed our country in favor of the interests of domestic and foreign corporations.

Money is all that matters anymore

good luck with getting enough people to vote for right wing loonies

I think that's going to be an uphill battle

I know it's hard to understand from your perspective but there just aren't enough crazy people who vote 



does that include Clinton signging NAFTA or repealing Glass Steagal you freaking moron? 

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 12:09:10 PM »
if you knew your history better you'd realize  in the last 30 years the Repubs (and to some extent Dems too) have already systematically destroyed our country in favor of the interests of domestic and foreign corporations.

Money is all that matters anymore

good luck with getting enough people to vote for right wing loonies

I think that's going to be an uphill battle

I know it's hard to understand from your perspective but there just aren't enough crazy people who vote 



Does you r little moronic statement include the refusal of the Dems to reign in Fanny/Freddy? 

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 12:10:57 PM »
if you knew your history better you'd realize  in the last 30 years the Repubs (and to some extent Dems too) have already systematically destroyed our country in favor of the interests of domestic and foreign corporations.

Money is all that matters anymore

good luck with getting enough people to vote for right wing loonies

I think that's going to be an uphill battle

I know it's hard to understand from your perspective but there just aren't enough crazy people who vote 



Does your little kneepadding include expansion of the CRA?   

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 12:13:15 PM »
if you knew your history better you'd realize  in the last 30 years the Repubs (and to some extent Dems too) have already systematically destroyed our country in favor of the interests of domestic and foreign corporations.

Money is all that matters anymore

good luck with getting enough people to vote for right wing loonies

I think that's going to be an uphill battle

I know it's hard to understand from your perspective but there just aren't enough crazy people who vote 



Does your little delusion include the absolute garbage passed by Pelosi/Obama/Reid in the past two years that has utterly gridlocked commerce in this country? 


Straw - you never dissapoint in your utter delusions and left wing stupidity.   

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 12:14:59 PM »
I don't always agree with you on 100% of things GW, but I have to say you're one of the most intelligent people I read online.  Keep up the good work.

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2010, 12:19:47 PM »
Does you r little moronic statement include the refusal of the Dems to reign in Fanny/Freddy? 

how many times are you going to flog the Fannie/Freddie horse when the real cause was AIG and GS.

here is a great article from the self claimed "The Premier Conservative Site on the Net"

see if you can maintain concentration for 5 minutes and read it all the way through

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2100840/posts

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2010, 12:23:42 PM »
how many times are you going to flog the Fannie/Freddie horse when the real cause was AIG and GS.

here is a great article from the self claimed "The Premier Conservative Site on the Net"

see if you can maintain concentration for 5 minutes and read it all the way through

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2100840/posts

Fanny/Freddy's buying up these crap loans and then selling them with the implicit guanty that the govt would back it is what made these things attractive to wall street in the first place. 

to ignore that fact is to ignore reality. 

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2010, 12:24:23 PM »
Is this moron now making excuses for Fannie and Freddie? How pathetic. They are just as culpable as AIG and GS.

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2010, 12:31:26 PM »
how many times are you going to flog the Fannie/Freddie horse when the real cause was AIG and GS.

here is a great article from the self claimed "The Premier Conservative Site on the Net"

see if you can maintain concentration for 5 minutes and read it all the way through

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2100840/posts

From your own article: 

And third, and most importantly, without the huge fraud perpetrated by AIG, the mortgage bubble could have never grown as large as it did. Yes, other factors contributed, like the role of Fannie and Freddie in particular. But the key to enabling the huge global growth in credit during the last decade can be tied directly to AIG's sale of credit default swaps without collateral. That was the barn door. And it was left open for nearly a decade.


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How do youy blame that only on GWB? 

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2010, 01:27:02 PM »
Does your little kneepadding include expansion of the CRA?   

again - if you knew any better you'd realize that CRA loans were not a problem and had lower default rates than subprime and Alt-A loans.

CRA never did "stated income" "no doc" or "no ratio"

I know you love scapegoating the government but why don't you try focusing your rage on the actual culprits for a change

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2010, 01:45:34 PM »
Fanny/Freddy's buying up these crap loans and then selling them with the implicit guanty that the govt would back it is what made these things attractive to wall street in the first place.  

to ignore that fact is to ignore reality. 

again, completely ass backward.

While fannie/freddie did buy SIV, CDO's etc... they did it very late in the game when the asset bubble (RE VALUES) had already expanded so much that everyone involved was fucked

again - read up on AIG , the bond rating companies and credit default swaps and you will find the source of the mess.

without them we would not have seen RE prices rise like they did and Fannie Freddie wouldn't have nearly the problem they have now. 

Fannie/Freddi did not cuause that problem

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2010, 01:45:45 PM »
if you knew your history better you'd realize  in the last 30 years the Repubs (and to some extent Dems too) have already systematically destroyed our country in favor of the interests of domestic and foreign corporations.

Money is all that matters anymore

good luck with getting enough people to vote for right wing loonies

I think that's going to be an uphill battle

I know it's hard to understand from your perspective but there just aren't enough crazy people who vote 



Yes,we are loons.Let me ask you this,what is loonier?Sitting in a church for twenty years and listening to a rabid racist spew anti American hate or try to get tax cuts for Americans?What is loonier ,hanging out with a domestic terrorist or wanting school vouchers for the poor?What is loonier,having Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speaking at your convention or wanting a smaller less intrusive government?.

Sorry,the loons of this country are on the left.Simply turn on MSNBC any time of day and you can see that.Beck is a kook but compared to the angry lunatic Ed Shultz he as normal as the day is long.

We will see in Nov. who the country views as loons.My bet is,its Obama and his ilk.Oh,by the way,last year the media gave 88% of their political contributions to liberal democrats and you leftists bitch about FOX bias?

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Re: My thoughts on the Koran Burning Saga
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2010, 02:42:10 PM »
Yes,we are loons.Let me ask you this,what is loonier?Sitting in a church for twenty years and listening to a rabid racist spew anti American hate or try to get tax cuts for Americans?What is loonier ,hanging out with a domestic terrorist or wanting school vouchers for the poor?What is loonier,having Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speaking at your convention or wanting a smaller less intrusive government?.

Sorry,the loons of this country are on the left.Simply turn on MSNBC any time of day and you can see that.Beck is a kook but compared to the angry lunatic Ed Shultz he as normal as the day is long.

We will see in Nov. who the country views as loons.My bet is,its Obama and his ilk.Oh,by the way,last year the media gave 88% of their political contributions to liberal democrats and you leftists bitch about FOX bias?

again with Shultz and Sharpton?

I couldn't take Shultz on his radio show so I have no clue why you bother watching him on TV.

If I watched Hannit, Beck, etc... I"d be as pissed as you are

you should just stick to watching your wrasslin videos