So it's pretty darn clear that you guys blame Islam as a whole for 9/11

[George Whorewell]

James, that's cool and all but by chance can you give a direct answer to my question?  I mean so far everyone just agrees with GW.  It was a good post but didn't come right out and firmly state an answer.  Do you think we should have been at war with Islam from the start?

Islam has been at war with us for quite some time now. As I said, we should have responded in kind from the very beginning, not necessarily with guns, but by matching disinformation and propaganda with truth and facts. Swaying the tide of public opinion goes just as far as guns and bombs. Combating extremism and the Islamist propaganda campaign being waged by Islam and the left can be done with ease by putting the faith and what it teaches under a microscope for the world to see. In plain view of the facts, the notion that Islam is merely a peaceful religion seeking to live in harmony with an anti Islamic world becomes an overwhelmingly dishonest proposition that is impossible to prove. As people begin to pay attention and the world comes to terms with the fact that it has allowed a virus to invade and multiply exponentially-- a virus that takes advantage of free societies that have so far refused vaccination, extremism will be pushed further and further to the margains and our politicians will be forced to acknowledge reality and bend to the will of the people. Assimilate, lay down your arms, stop preaching hate and violence, or leave. Plain and simple. That is the solution.
 Instead of accommodating inhumanity and indulging the cult like fanaticism of radical Islam, we should apply pressure in all possible ways to force the so called moderates to become the voice of Islam. Until that day comes (if it ever comes) we should continue to fight on every front possible without compromising a single inch.

[tonymctones]

was 9/11 done in the name of Islam?  I mean muhammad attah wasn't even muslim from accounts of the shit he did before 9/11.  Osama made his statements against the "infidels" but his main beef seemed to be that he wanted Americans and Russians out of muslim land.  If it was just in the name of Islam, he would have set up the same attack on America even if we were not dealing in muslim lands.  Seriously, read through all his bullshit before 9/11.  That's about the jist of it.  Again, I have no love for Islam and personally think it's freaking retarded, but really are you saying Osama committed all of Islam in what he did?  Really?

im not quite sure what youre asking there?

so he wanted us out of muslim lands but its not about islam? LOL

sorry huggy the 9/11 attacks had a lot to do with islam and muslims...so yes those who are in the community that oppose such actions and think that it paints their religion in a bad light should object and do so publicly....

again do you think that the muslim community has done enough to condemn the actions of those terrorists who commit violence in the name of their religion?

[Hugo Chavez]

im not quite sure what youre asking there?

so he wanted us out of muslim lands but its not about islam? LOL

sorry huggy the 9/11 attacks had a lot to do with islam and muslims...so yes those who are in the community that oppose such actions and think that it paints their religion in a bad light should object and do so publicly....

again do you think that the muslim community has done enough to condemn the actions of those terrorists who commit violence in the name of their religion?

well in the region he was talking about at the time.  I believe his major beefs were Afghanistan and Saudi.  No that wouldn't make it about Islam just because the population of those lands is islamic.  for the purpose of my statement It's a descriptive, a truth of those lands.  You didn't go and see him raise a fuss for Malaysia or some shit.  You see what I'm talking about?

Ok, on your last question, lets go back to what happened after 9/11.  What you know is what the media delivered to you here.  What you probably did not know is that, well lets take Iran for example, I'm sure you probably think they erupted in joy after 9/11.  they're mostly Islamic, the population there is huge and they don't have a good history with us.  So they probably either cheered and or refused to condemn right?  Well you would be flat ass wrong about that.  There was a huge outpoor of condemnation from the people of Iran initially after 9/11.  Even the leadership there condemned the actions and in the next months offered their support in dealing with Afghanistan.  But then your hero and chief up and decided right in the middle of this to publically denounce Iran and openly brand them as part of the axis of evil.  Of course those words brought an instant halt to any open doors with Iran than could have been expanded and built upon at that point and I have a fucking shitload of info into the whys of that which I'm sure you don't want to here and at this point, I'm done risking saying.

Also, plenty of muslim leaders did come out and denounce the actions of 9/11 in America...  Even Bush stood their with a whole group of them to do just that.

[Hugo Chavez]

For Tony:

I remember some other footage and I'll try to find it if I can.

Here's one:

One condemning violence not long before 9/11

Holy shit, this is the first time I've started to look for muslims condemning the terrorists.... I've never even looked before, there's a shit load of videos.  I got these from the first half page of relust in my search.

[SAMSON123]

Why the fuck wouldn't we blame Islam for 9/11? The fucking guys who carried out the attack have acknowledged it was done because of Islam!

Oh look...The neighborhood IDIOT chimes in again. Hello FUCKTARD...please show us all the links or articles or anything that says these supposed "guys" acknowledge the attack and that they claimed they did it because of Islam.

Amazing how many of the retards like yourself self fabricate scenarios and history to justify your opinion on a matter...

[Fury]

Oh look...The neighborhood IDIOT chimes in again. Hello FUCKTARD...please show us all the links or articles or anything that says these supposed "guys" acknowledge the attack and that they claimed they did it because of Islam.

Amazing how many of the retards like yourself self fabricate scenarios and history to justify your opinion on a matter...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Coming from you, who outright lied about that music CD, along with all the other lies you've been caught out in ,*cough* Sorcha Faal *cough*, shouldn't be calling anyone out on what you think is a lie. You're an islamonazi gimmick and a propaganda machine and I'm definitely not your personal army so you can do your own research. But I suspect Sorcha Faal and co. don't report on things like that.  


And did Hugo really just post a CAIR video? Really? You can't be seriously posting CAIR clips to prove your point. Talk about opinionated bullshit and typical liberal agenda pushing.

[ToxicAvenger]

es. It's funny that this is never mentioned in any religious text book, history book or taught in any classroom in this country.

so it immediately begs the question


how do you come to know about it?

[George Whorewell]

SAMSON the ape is right. The 911 hijackers were just really committed political activists that were exercising their right to engage in political protest. Actually, all of the hijackers were Israeli agents that agreed to take part in the attacks to help the zionist cause. Actually 911 was an inside job committed by rogue elements within the American government.  Actually, the twin towers were wired with dynamite and were taken down by property developer Larry Silverstein. Actually, 911 never really happened.

[George Whorewell]

so it immediately begs the question


how do you come to know about it?

I didn't learn about Islam inside a classroom. I researched it on my own. That, and also I am an Israeli agent committed to the Zionist cause. In our daily propaganda meetings, we are indoctrinated with lies about Islam and part of my mission is to infiltrate getbig.com and turn the juice head community against Islam.

[Hugo Chavez]

hahaha, they're fucking even singing songs about it tony...  Maybe at some point you should start asking why you and I haven't heard of the condemnation rather than just assuming it's not there.  We both know our media sucks ass, when it's not a major story, they flip right away to some hollywood bullshit.  This is still from the first page of results in my search.  Lets see if I can get to page two.

[ToxicAvenger]

SAMSON the ape is right. The 911 hijackers were just really committed political activists that were exercising their right to engage in political protest. Actually, all of the hijackers were Israeli agents that agreed to take part in the attacks to help the zionist cause. Actually 911 was an inside job committed by rogue elements within the American government.  Actually, the twin towers were wired with dynamite and were taken down by property developer Larry Silverstein. Actually, 911 never really happened.

no...we just happen to have one of the most incompetent military/air defence (NORAD etc) on the planet....

the best of the best technology...can photograph the dick off a humming bird from space ...planes that do over mach 3...yet failed to stop 17 or so uneducated 3rd world low IQ retards from conduction the greatest terrorist mass executions in history...AND ON OUR SOIL....



either something ws fishy...or if nothing ws fishy...then our military is useless even against 3rd world barely functional retards  

[ToxicAvenger]

I researched it on my own.

without books eh!  research without books...

...environmental osmosis or is it an israeli zionist yoda mind meldy thingy?

[ToxicAvenger]

Or maybe he knows how to use google.  

ooo yeah...the internet...a wealth of logic and truth...the TO GO place for people doing proper unbiased research eh nick hershy!  

apparently every expert on islam is a christian or a jew!  

[Fury]

ooo yeah...the internet...a wealth of logic and truth...the TO GO place for people doing proper unbiased research eh nick hershy!  

This is too rich. You can say that about anything, including history books.

[George Whorewell]

^ That and also you have a brutal reading comprehension problem.

What I said was that no classroom in this country has/ teaches from the books that contain the truth. But these books certainly exist dumbass. It's more thought police censorship. Rest assured there is plenty of class time spent on demonzing Christianity though-- so no worries. 

[Hugo Chavez]

BF, I told you if I see your trolling bullshit, it's out of here.  You want to participate, calm the fuck down and talk.  You just want to bait a fight, you just want to flame only, you're not going to be able to do that when I'm around. I WILL JUST DELETE YOUR SHIT OVER AND OVER. Take it to another board if that's what you want.  all these other people here are cool.  You're the only one striking out for a meltdown.  wrong forum for that and I'm about done telling you it.

[ToxicAvenger]

This is too rich. You can say that about anything, including history books.

yeah u can...but you couldn't do better than point to the easiest target in my argument...ie history books  

if he has read the koran ...supplied from a mosque...the proper translation..and STILL has come to the same conclusion i'd have said "fair play"

but he hasn't read ANY books to come to the conclusion...if he hasn't read the koran then he's only reading other peoples "opinions" of it ...and lemme guess..the opinions he reads more often than not come from Islam haters

so his argument is immediately invalid...thats like me telling you all about paris and writing a travel book about paris without having been there  

[Fury]

^ That and also you have a brutal reading comprehension problem.

What I said was that no classroom in this country has/ teaches from the books that contain the truth. But these books certainly exist dumbass. It's more thought police censorship. Rest assured there is plenty of class time spent on demonzing Christianity though-- so no worries.  

These guys posts are reading like something right off of CNN. It's the exact same agenda that the opinion elites are trying to shove down our throats (which is being rejected by more and more people).

Hell, we've got one guy actually posting CAIR clips to prove his point. LOL!

And no, Hugo. I'm not baiting a fight. You obviously don't know what you're talking about if you're posting CAIR clips and it's clear that you have done next to research on anything regarding this topic. You might want to look into CAIR and some of the things they've done (like their leader's Islamic supremacist statements, the fact they refuse to outright denounce terrorism and are unindicted co-conspirators in terror-funding cases, that multiple people from their organization are now doing time in jail for terrorists and financing it and on and on and on and on and on) before you try to shove your crap down our throats.

You come off as widely uninformed on anything regarding this topic and just regurgitate the same points those in the MSM are constantly making.

[ToxicAvenger]

^ That and also you have a brutal reading comprehension problem.

What I said was that no classroom in this country has/ teaches from the books that contain the truth. But these books certainly exist dumbass. It's more thought police censorship. Rest assured there is plenty of class time spent on demonzing Christianity though-- so no worries. 

ok ...another chance...did you read the koran to come to your conclusions...

yes or no answer will suffice...


you either read it...or you r ONLY relying on other peoples opinion of the book...

argument over

[Fury]

ok ...another chance...did you read the koran to come to your conclusions...

yes or no answer will suffice...


you either read it...or you r ONLY relying on other peoples opinion of the book...

argument over

I've read it. Including the 164 or so verses advocating violence against non-Muslims and jihad.

Have you read it? I know you haven't read the Hadith as you didn't know that Moohammed married a 6-year-old girl and fucked her at 9 (which is well documented in it).

[ToxicAvenger]

I've read it. Including the 164 or so verses advocating violence against non-Muslims and jihad.
Have you read it? I know you haven't read the Hadith as you didn't know that Moohammed married a 6-year-old girl and fucked her at 9 (which is well documented in it).

knowing your track record at being a world class liar...who asked you?

you are the same guy whose # ws posted on some site and got calls from people asking to have phone sex with your mom upon which mommy and daddy forbade you to post on getbig...

who said u have credence here?

and oh..when you say you have read it...you dont need to add 164 verses etc etc...read it MEANS read the whole thing dumbass

The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346..i bet you those violent verses each come after 50 verses each urging to lead by example and be patient and try your best to find a peacefull resolution...

and NO you have NOT read the koran...you r the same pathetic loser that got beat up by his own team in the locker room at uconn...so forgive me..i dont believe pathetic

i would believe georgewhorewell though

[Fury]

Nice meltdown. Reads like one gigantic excuse.

Have your or have you not read the Koran recently? You haven't read the Hadith and I seriously doubt you've read the Koran. Maybe when you were a kid but you're a fried junkie and I would guarantee you haven't opened it in at least 15-20 years.

[Fury]

Because I'm in the mood to embarrass you, Junaids, here's some statistical info to refute your trash:

How many verses in the Quran are positive for non-Muslims?

The answer is 245. That’s pretty good. That adds up to 4,018 words in the Quran, and comprises 2.6 percent of the total Quranic text.

[ToxicAvenger]

Nice meltdown. Reads like one gigantic excuse.

Have your or have you not read the Koran recently? You haven't read the Hadith and I seriously doubt you've read the Koran. Maybe when you were a kid but you're a fried junkie and I would guarantee you haven't opened it in at least 15-20 years.

post 1...bitchfury starts grinding teeth! 

[SAMSON123]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Coming from you, who outright lied about that music CD, along with all the other lies you've been caught out in ,*cough* Sorcha Faal *cough*, shouldn't be calling anyone out on what you think is a lie. You're an islamonazi gimmick and a propaganda machine and I'm definitely not your personal army so you can do your own research. But I suspect Sorcha Faal and co. don't report on things like that.  


And did Hugo really just post a CAIR video? Really? You can't be seriously posting CAIR clips to prove your point. Talk about opinionated bullshit and typical liberal agenda pushing.

Just produce the links ass wipe and avoid your usual bullshit avoidance technique when asked to produce facts. Are you and 3 the same person?