Anybody here has really huge mood swings ?

[Stavios]

Ive been on effexor for 6 yrs. (depression/anxiety)   My doc says that gear use will mess me up even more in the head....another reason to stay clean....

Stavios, is it worth it to do this for plastic trophies.   Make some good choices, but there hard to make...


                                                  Sincerely, Dr Phil.

Like I said I have  been like this since I was a kid, so it's not the gear.
I think it's even worse when I am off the gear anyway.

[WillGrant]

The old fashioned name for this is MANIC-DEPRESSIVE; The new name is BI-POLAR...

lol no its not unless he is having really bad episodes which you never get the impression from his posts.

People that are Bi Polar are at the extreme end , like really go off the map freak out type of behaviour.If you have ever seen someone with Manic Depressive type symptoms you will never fuckin forget it , crazy shit.


We all get like this to varying degrees its called being human if it is effecting or encroaching on your life then it "could" be a depressive type illness mate.

[gib]

I have always been like this, it's nothing crazy I never get angry or anything like that, but lets say in a day I'll wake up in the morning and everything is fine I am very outgoing and I speak a LOT, and then I do my things (work, gym school or whatever). then I get really sad (for no reason), don't want to talk to anybody and I won't enjoy anything.
Then a few hours passes by and then I am super happy and want to talk to everybody again (for no reason also).

been like this since at least high school, maybe even before that.

Are you juicing, or a coke user? (serious question)

[Mr Nobody]

Check with Disturbia he knows all about this.

[Stavios]

Are you juicing, or a coke user? (serious question)

yeah I juice but no coke

[trustnoone]

yeah I juice but no coke

LOSER!!!!!!!!!

[Stavios]

LOSER!!!!!!!!!

lol honnestly it scares the shit out of me.
my friends take a lot of X, coke and GHB but I never tried once, never even smoked pot.

[JimmyJam1974]

Done a bunch of ecstacy? Perhaps your serotonin levels are jacked.

[YngiweRhoads]

or hereditary serotonine levels imbalance... chances are high his fahter/mother had it too.



Temperament and Character Inventory

Observations about personality provided Cloninger a practical way to predict vulnerability to mental disorders. In the mid-1980s, he developed a general model of temperament based on genetic, neurobiological, and neuropharmacological data, rather than using factor analysis of behavior or self-reports as has usually been done by personality psychologists.[12][33] He focused on the structure of learning abilities within the person, as has long been desired by social-cognitive psychologists.[34] To test the adequacy of his structural model, Cloninger compared his model of development within the individual (i.e., ontogeny) to the evolution of learning abilities in animal phylogeny.[35][36] Initially he described three dimensions of temperament that he suggested were independently inherited and measured by his Tridimensional Personality Questionnaire (TPQ):[12][37]

   1. Harm Avoidance (anxious, pessimistic vs. outgoing, optimistic)
   2. Novelty Seeking (impulsive, quick-tempered vs. rigid, slow-tempered)
   3. Reward Dependence (warm, approval-seeking vs. cold, aloof)

Studies quickly showed that Persistence (persevering, ambitious vs. easily discouraged, underachieving) was a fourth independently-inherited temperament dimension with specific brain circuitry, rather than a facet of Reward Dependence.[14][38] These temperament dimensions proved to be a powerful way to distinguish subtypes of personality disorders and vulnerability to a wide range of mental disorders.[39][40] Cloninger was initially criticized for reducing personality to emotional drives. For example, in his book Listening to Prozac, Peter Kramer called the temperament model of personality "a humanist's nightmare."[41]

Likewise, Cloninger and his colleague Dragan Svrakic found that temperament alone did not capture the full range of personality. They found that, by itself, temperament could not reveal whether a person was mature or had a personality disorder.[14] On average, there were differences in the probability of personality disorder in people with different temperament configurations, but every configuration could be found in people who were mentally healthy as well as in people who had personality disorders.[14][42] Consequently, Cloninger identified a second domain of personality variables, using character traits to measure a person's humanistic and transpersonal style:

   1. Self-Directedness (reliable, purposeful vs. blaming, aimless)
   2. Cooperativeness (tolerant, helpful vs. prejudiced, revengeful)
   3. Self-Transcendence (self-forgetful, spiritual vs. self-conscious, materialistic).

These character dimensions measure the components of an individual's mental self-government and can strongly measure the presence and severity of personality disorder.[38] Cloninger often cites Immanuel Kant, who defines character as "what people make of themselves intentionally."[43] Character dimensions have strong relations with recently-evolved regions of the brain—such as the frontal, temporal, and parietal neocortex—that regulate learning of facts and propositions.[14][44][45][46] By contrast, the temperament dimensions have strong relations with the older cortico-striatal and limbic systems that regulate habits and skills.[46][47][48][49]

These three character dimensions have been found to be as heritable as the four temperament dimensions, each with about 50% heritability in twin studies.[50] All seven dimensions of temperament and character have been found to have unique genetic determinants[50] and to be regulated by different brain systems as measured by functional brain imaging.[14][51][45][46][47][52][53] Each dimension is influenced by complex interaction between many genetic and environmental variables, so personality develops as a complex adaptive system.[14] Cloninger's temperament and character inventories have been extensively used in a wide variety of clinical and research purposes, and cited in thousands of peer-reviewed publications.[54] The construction of the inventories on the basis of genetic and neurobiological considerations challenges the traditional statistical assumptions of factor analytically derived inventories,[55] which have been targeted by social and cognitive psychologists for many years.[56] Fortunately, in terms of overall statistical information, there is extensive overlap among the TCI and other multidimensional personality inventories, except that other inventories lack the dimension of Self-Transcendence.[57][58]
[edit] Self-Transcendence & Science of Well-Being

Self-Transcendence refers to the interest people have in searching for something elevated, something beyond their individual existence.[14] According to Cloninger's model, self-transcendence can manifest as an intuitive understanding of elevated aspects of humanity, like compassion, ethics, art, and culture. Others who experience it may also describe an awareness of a divine presence. People scoring high in TCI Self-Transcendence report frequent experiences of boundlessness and inseparability.[14][59][60] They lose awareness of their separateness when absorbed in what they love to do or when appreciating the wonders and mysteries of life. Cloninger observes that such experiences of self-forgetfulness and transpersonal identification correspond to what Freud called "oceanic feelings,"[61] which is different from intellectual adherence to particular religious dogmas or rituals. The TCI Self-Transcendence scale is often used as a measure of spirituality.[45][59][60] Cloninger proposed that the psyche is the aspect of a human being that motivates the search for self-transcendence and underlies the human capacities for self-awareness, creativity, and freedom of will.[14] As suggested by transpersonal psychologists and other psychiatrists like Carl Jung and Viktor Frankl, Cloninger has emphasized that self-transcendence is an essential component in the processes of integration and maturation of personality.[14] He found that when people who score high on all three character traits are compared to others, they have the highest level of well-being, as measured by presence of positive emotions, absence of negative emotions, satisfaction with life, or virtuous conduct.[14] The capacity for love and work have long been recognized as important for well-being, but Cloninger also observed that people need to experience self-transcendence in order to cope well with suffering and to enjoy life's wonders and mysteries fully.

In his book Feeling Good: The Science of Well-Being, Cloninger describes the impetus for his new work:
“    I think it is important that we bring a scientific basis to psychiatry and psychology at a level that goes beyond the level of description. In order for us to advance systematically, as for instance chemistry and physics have done, we need a specific theory of the person and our nature of being. As a result of that I have tried to work out such a systematic model, and have progressed by stages to more and more inclusive theoretical frameworks. The basic position I have now is that we have to see the whole person as more than a collection of disease states: a person is composed of multiple elements of body, mind, and spirit. Each of these has to be carefully defined and measurable, so that we can avoid fantasy and speculation and have testable models....What has become increasingly clear to me is that man has a natural integrative tendency that leads to health, and that disease emerges whenever there is a block. Blocks can come from a genetic predisposition that interferes with natural development, from social learning, or from prior experiences that are unique to the individual.[62]    ”

Cloninger has also suggested that not only is there a natural integrative tendency, but that "all human beings have spontaneous needs for happiness, self-understanding and love."[14] He describes practices that improve character development and satisfy these strong basic needs. Just as people can become stronger in the body through physical exercise, he has found they can become mentally and spiritually healthier with mental and spiritual exercises, including certain meditations that enhance mindfulness and spirituality. He describes examples of such exercises[14][15] in detail in a DVD series called Know Yourself, which was developed with the Anthropedia Foundation.[63] The Know Yourself series is intended for use as a self-help tool or as an adjunct in psychotherapy.[64][65]

The mental exercises described by Cloninger are intended to stimulate character development and self-awareness, thereby fostering a healthy way of living with three sets of goals and values:

   1. Working in the Service of Others, thereby increasing love and Cooperativeness
   2. Letting Go of fighting and worrying, thereby increasing hope and Self-Directedness
   3. Growing in Awareness, thereby increasing faith and Self-Transcendence.

Cloninger's approach combines principles of cognitive-behavioral therapy, person-centered therapy, and positive psychology with personality assessment and meditative practices that enhance mindfulness and self-awareness of the cognitive schemas that organize and direct our attention and motivation in different situations.[66] His approach differs from other forms of psychotherapy by its emphasis on integration of a person's awareness of their body, thoughts, and psyche. He suggests that the separation of biomedical, psychosocial, and spiritual approaches interferes with the development of well-being, whereas their integration has been shown to reduce drop-out, relapse, and recurrence rates in randomized controlled trials of well-being therapy.[14][67] Cloninger's integrative approach is intended to synthesize work done in the mental health field, fostering what Juan Mezzich of the World Psychiatric Association has called "psychiatry for the person."[68] Several studies show that psychotherapy, alone or in combination with medications, can help people with mental disorders recover faster and stay well longer, but that a declining number of psychiatrists are providing psychotherapy to their patients.[69] Cloninger is working with the World Psychiatric Association to advance a more integrated approach to mental health and well-being.[15] The American Psychiatric Association has recognized Cloninger for his contributions to better understanding the biopsychosocial basis of mental health and illness with its 2009 Judd Marmor Award.

Good post. C&P, but still a good post.

[makaveli25]

I had been effected by anxiety and depression since I can remeber. High dose cycle, tren will definetely have negative effects on your mental well being. When I'm in pct it can also be bad especially if you're using clomid. The best I feel Is on low dose of test like 300mg ew of prop and maybe the amount of primo or something light.

I got hooked on painkillers when I was younger. I took some hydros and I was like goddam this is how I should be feeling all the time. It took away my bad anxiety and deprssion. It made me more talkative and out going. I had some of the best times in my life because they make everything soo fun and you dont have mental emotional pain at all. Now I'm on a very low dose up suboxone a drug that is not a complete opiate but has similar effects. It's either used for opiate maintaince or opiate detox from powerful opiates such as heroin, oxycotin, fentanyl ect. I feel very well balanced now takeing just 2 mg in the morning. I'm back to a normal life I have a pretty good job, nice girlfriend, and better enjoyment for everday things.

You got to find a good balance for yourself. You might need to see a doc and get a diganosis. Doesn't mean you have to go on a perscription but at least you know what your dealing with. I hope you get to the root of it. I can be done. I have been feeling the best I have in a long time. Im replacement dose of test and I take my small dose of suboxone slowing tapering.

[Flexb]

I currently cutting down my clonazepam to get off it. So been getting a few headaches here. No mood swings tho.

How is that stuff? I suffer from anxiety more than the normal person. Always stressed and rarely enjoy life anymore so been thinkin about talkin to my doc about something to help me chill the fuk out at nights when I'm finished work.

[trustnoone]

I had been effected by anxiety and depression since I can remeber. High dose cycle, tren will definetely have negative effects on your mental well being. When I'm in pct it can also be bad especially if you're using clomid. The best I feel Is on low dose of test like 300mg ew of prop and maybe the amount of primo or something light.

I got hooked on painkillers when I was younger. I took some hydros and I was like goddam this is how I should be feeling all the time. It took away my bad anxiety and deprssion. It made me more talkative and out going. I had some of the best times in my life because they make everything soo fun and you dont have mental emotional pain at all. Now I'm on a very low dose up suboxone a drug that is not a complete opiate but has similar effects. It's either used for opiate maintaince or opiate detox from powerful opiates such as heroin, oxycotin, fentanyl ect. I feel very well balanced now takeing just 2 mg in the morning. I'm back to a normal life I have a pretty good job, nice girlfriend, and better enjoyment for everday things.

You got to find a good balance for yourself. You might need to see a doc and get a diganosis. Doesn't mean you have to go on a perscription but at least you know what your dealing with. I hope you get to the root of it. I can be done. I have been feeling the best I have in a long time. Im replacement dose of test and I take my small dose of suboxone slowing tapering.

Your doc prescribed the suboxone?

[makaveli25]

Get your test levels checked man. That can really make you miserable. I did an experiment after a cycle and didn't run a pct. I felt really sick of life sluggish no ambition. The depression was starting to become painful. Well I started up test prop 300mg ew and primo 300mg ew and feel like a new fucking man. Everyone in awhile I will take a small hit of weed it gives me nice pleasant feeling and it takes the edge off.

Also 5htp is an amazing supplement that is widely available from what I've read it can actually work better than some anti D's. You take a 50-150mg dose before bed. You will have very vivid dreams and get very deep sleep. Next day you wake up in a fantastic mood. It recharges your serotonin levels. There are people that swear by it. I tried it for a couple of weeks really boosted my mood! After I stopped the effects continued.

[makaveli25]

Your doc prescribed the suboxone?

Yes the doctor perscribed it. Most people I know take 8-16 mg of it ed. I've worked my way down to 2mg ed. I have to decide if should continue with the treatment or completely come off of it. I have been completely clean before and I got back to having depression and anxiety. The suboxone takes care of it for me. It's relatively safe especially at the tiny dose I use.

[tbombz]

I have always been like this, it's nothing crazy I never get angry or anything like that, but lets say in a day I'll wake up in the morning and everything is fine I am very outgoing and I speak a LOT, and then I do my things (work, gym school or whatever). then I get really sad (for no reason), don't want to talk to anybody and I won't enjoy anything.
Then a few hours passes by and then I am super happy and want to talk to everybody again (for no reason also).

been like this since at least high school, maybe even before that.

everybody is so quick to diagnose you with some kind of mental illness.. lol..  is it the talking and being outgoing and extroverted that causes the dip in mood afterwards?? you might be an introvert, and over exerting yourself in social situations.. that can be very draining if its whats happening. otherwise, it still doesnt have to be bi-polar disorder..

[Princess L]

I have always been like this, it's nothing crazy I never get angry or anything like that, but lets say in a day I'll wake up in the morning and everything is fine I am very outgoing and I speak a LOT, and then I do my things (work, gym school or whatever). then I get really sad (for no reason), don't want to talk to anybody and I won't enjoy anything.
Then a few hours passes by and then I am super happy and want to talk to everybody again (for no reason also).

been like this since at least high school, maybe even before that.

Sounds like:

http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/bipolar-disorder-manic-depression

Bipolar Disorder

Bipolar disorder was formerly called manic depression. It is a major affective disorder, or mood disorder, characterized by dramatic mood swings. Bipolar disorder is a serious condition, when mania causes sleeplessness, sometimes for days, along with hallucinations, psychosis, grandiose delusions, and/or paranoid rage.

Bipolar disorder is a complex genetic disorder. The mood swings associated with it alternate from major, or clinical, depression to mania or extreme elation. The mood swings can range from very mild to extreme, and they can happen gradually or suddenly within a timeframe of minutes to hours. When mood swings happen frequently, the process is called rapid cycling.

Along with the dramatic mood swings, patients with bipolar disorder may have disturbances in thinking. They may also have distortions of perception and impairment in social functioning.
What Causes Bipolar Disorder?

Like with other mood disorders, what causes bipolar disorder is not known. What is known is that bipolar disorder has a genetic component and can run in families.
At What Age Is Bipolar Disorder Usually Diagnosed?

Bipolar disorder usually appears between ages 15 and 24 and persists throughout a lifetime. It's rare that newly diagnosed mania is seen in children or in adults over age 65.

Severity of symptoms varies with individuals who have bipolar disorder. While some people have a few symptoms, others have many that impair their ability to work and live a normal life.

Marked by relapses and remissions, bipolar disorder has a high rate of recurrence if untreated. Patients with severe mania usually require hospitalization to keep them from risky behaviors. Those who are severely depressed also might need hospitalization to keep them from acting on suicidal thoughts.

About 90% of individuals with bipolar I disorder, which is the more serious form, have at least one psychiatric hospitalization. Two out of three will have two or more hospitalizations in their lifetime.
What Are the Depression Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder?

The clinical depression symptoms seen with bipolar disorder include:

    * Decreased appetite and/or weight loss, or overeating and weight gain
    * Difficulty concentrating, remembering, and making decisions
    * Fatigue, decreased energy, being "slowed down"
    * Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, helplessness
    * Feelings of hopelessness, pessimism
    * Insomnia, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping
    * Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities that were once enjoyed, including sex
    * Persistent physical symptoms that do not respond to treatment, such as headaches, digestive disorders, and chronic pain
    * Persistently sad, anxious, or "empty" moods
    * Restlessness, irritability
    * Thoughts of death or suicide, suicide attempts

What Are the Signs of Mania With Bipolar Disorder?

The signs of mania with bipolar disorder include:

    * Disconnected and racing thoughts
    * Grandiose notions
    * Inappropriate elation
    * Inappropriate irritability
    * Inappropriate social behavior
    * Increased sexual desire
    * Increased talking speed and/or volume
    * Markedly increased energy
    * Poor judgment
    * Severe insomnia

continued)
What Is Bipolar II Disorder?

While mania is the main characteristic of bipolar I disorder, bipolar II has milder periods of elation known as hypomania. It also has episodes of mild or major depression. According to the DSM-IV, a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association, the difference between mania and hypomania is "the degree of severity."
What Are Signs of Hypomania With Bipolar II Disorder?

Signs of hypomania with bipolar II disorder include:

    * Decreased need for sleep
    * Extreme focus on projects at work or at home
    * Exuberant and elated mood
    * Increased confidence
    * Increased creativity and productivity
    * Increased energy and libido
    * Reckless behaviors
    * Risk-taking behaviors

How Is Bipolar Disorder Diagnosed?

As with most mood disorders, there is no laboratory test or X-ray to diagnose bipolar disorder. After performing a physical exam, your doctor will evaluate your signs and symptoms. Your doctor will also ask you about your personal medical history and family history. Lab tests may be done to rule out other serious illnesses that can affect mood.

In addition, your doctor may want to talk with family members to see if they can identify times when you were elated. Because elation may feel good, it's often hard for a person with bipolar disorder to know if the mood was too high. Mania often affects thinking, judgment, and social behavior in ways that cause serious problems and embarrassment. For example, unwise business or financial decisions may be made when an individual is in a manic phase. So early diagnosis and effective treatment is very important with bipolar disorder.
How Is Bipolar Disorder Treated?

Treatment for bipolar disorder may include the use of mood stabilizers such as lithium. Anticonvulsants, antipsychotics, and benzodiazepines may also be used to stabilize mood. Sometimes antidepressants are given in combination with mood stabilizers to boost the depressed mood. In addition, stimulants may be used to step up or boost the antidepressant drug action.

[G.O.A.T.]

When I was younger my moods would swing from a good mood to depressed and back and forth. When I got older, prob low 20's, it changed to switching from good mood to just a shitty/angry mood. Not violent but everything sucks. But what always helped me was smoking weed. It would be the only thing that most of the time would change my mood back to good,almost instantly. Might not work for everyone but for me, it hit the spot. It was a known thing with my friends, if I was in a bad mood, It was because I didn't have any weed to smoke. They preferred me high because it was soo bad.

[War-Horse]

Get your test levels checked man. That can really make you miserable. I did an experiment after a cycle and didn't run a pct. I felt really sick of life sluggish no ambition. The depression was starting to become painful. Well I started up test prop 300mg ew and primo 300mg ew and feel like a new fucking man. Everyone in awhile I will take a small hit of weed it gives me nice pleasant feeling and it takes the edge off.

Also 5htp is an amazing supplement that is widely available from what I've read it can actually work better than some anti D's. You take a 50-150mg dose before bed. You will have very vivid dreams and get very deep sleep. Next day you wake up in a fantastic mood. It recharges your serotonin levels. There are people that swear by it. I tried it for a couple of weeks really boosted my mood! After I stopped the effects continued.

Good stuff man.  Thx

[Playboy]

I have always been like this, it's nothing crazy I never get angry or anything like that, but lets say in a day I'll wake up in the morning and everything is fine I am very outgoing and I speak a LOT, and then I do my things (work, gym school or whatever). then I get really sad (for no reason), don't want to talk to anybody and I won't enjoy anything.
Then a few hours passes by and then I am super happy and want to talk to everybody again (for no reason also).

been like this since at least high school, maybe even before that.

Not anymore. Its simply just not worth it.

[_bruce_]

Mood swings have plagued me all my life.
After reading the bi-popo stuff I think I should talk with my doc.
What a pain in the mental ass! 

[CalvinH]

I have always been like this, it's nothing crazy I never get angry or anything like that, but lets say in a day I'll wake up in the morning and everything is fine I am very outgoing and I speak a LOT, and then I do my things (work, gym school or whatever). then I get really sad (for no reason), don't want to talk to anybody and I won't enjoy anything.
Then a few hours passes by and then I am super happy and want to talk to everybody again (for no reason also).

been like this since at least high school, maybe even before that.

CalvinH's advise....drink and get laid more.

....take two and call me in the morning...

[gib]

Those are classic bipolar symptoms - unfortunately, many US docs prescribe medication, which in many cases is not a good solution. A better treatment is to educate the sufferer about these symptoms so they understand and can better deal with their feelings.

[Stavios]

Those are classic bipolar symptoms - unfortunately, many US docs prescribe medication, which in many cases is not a good solution. A better treatment is to educate the sufferer about these symptoms so they understand and can better deal with their feelings.

I was under the impression that bipolar are much more extreme ?

like in a manic phase people would do crazy shit like spend all their money for something useless or get into fights etc..

things like that ?

[The Showstoppa]

I was under the impression that bipolar are much more extreme ?

like in a manic phase people would do crazy shit like spend all their money for something useless or get into fights etc..

things like that ?

I think in truly bi-polar people the mood swings are much more pronounced and longer, but it's soooooooooo overly diagnosed to get people on scripts that who really knows....

[WillGrant]

I was under the impression that bipolar are much more extreme ?

like in a manic phase people would do crazy shit like spend all their money for something useless or get into fights etc..

things like that ?

Is is..
You can put a whole list of symptoms in front of someone on the net and freak them the fuck out as they will think "shit I have all those" thats why it needs someone who actualy know what they are talking about to dianosis it/them not a gb dianosis