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When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« on: September 12, 2010, 10:47:16 AM »
When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid: Glenn Beck’s Restoring Honor Rally and the Dunning-Kruger Effect

URL to article: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/02/when-stupid-people-dont-know-that-they-are-stupid-glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-and-the-dunning-kruger-effect/

The masses are asses. We know this. But the level of ignorance displayed by the attendees at the “Restoring Honor” rally is shocking even by contemporary standards.

It is quite clear that Glenn Beck is a master propagandist with a chilling and Svengali-like power over the lemmings of the New Right. Beck-watching is compelling (to me at least) because his popularity is a barometer of the toxins in our political atmosphere. Moreover, I wonder if Beck’s followers would be so slavish as to follow him off a cliff, and to what extremes would the tea party brigands go in their devotion to his cult of personality.

To point, here is a little armchair sociology to help put Beck and the New Right’s devotees into a broader context.



Courtesy of Wikipedia:

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which an unskilled person makes poor decisions and reaches erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to realize their mistakes. The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. This leads to the situation in which less competent people rate their own ability higher than more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence: because competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. “Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others.”

The Dunning–Kruger effect was put forward by Justin Kruger and David Dunning. Similar notions have been expressed–albeit less scientifically–for some time. Dunning and Kruger themselves quote Charles Darwin (”Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge”) and Bertrand Russell (”One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.”
The Dunning–Kruger effect is not, however, concerned narrowly with high-order cognitive skills (much less their application in the political realm during a particular era, which is what Russell was talking about.Nor is it specifically limited to the observation that ignorance of a topic is conducive to overconfident assertions about it, which is what Darwin was saying. Indeed, Dunning et al. cite a study saying that 94% of college professors rank their work as “above average” (relative to their peers), to underscore that the highly intelligent and informed are hardly exempt. Rather, the effect is about paradoxical defects in perception of skill, in oneself and others, regardless of the particular skill and its intellectual demands, whether it is chess, playing golf or driving a car.

The hypothesized phenomenon was tested in a series of experiments performed by Justin Kruger and David Dunning, then both of Cornell University. Kruger and Dunning noted earlier studies suggesting that ignorance of standards of performance is behind a great deal of incompetence. This pattern was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle, and playing chess or tennis.

Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

1. tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
2. fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they can be trained to substantially improve.


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All that stuff sounds logical if you sub OBama for Beck.
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 12:45:22 PM »
Normal people see Obama as the charlatan.  Tax raising economy destorying bureaucrat fattening shitbag with deficits [which are simply interest growing taxes], endless war,  and unemplyemnt for good measure.  Hate to see what communists consider a failure if Obama is a success.

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2010, 01:02:04 PM »
Straw, I really don't know whats more hilarious. 

1.  You posting this thread, since the title fits you perfectly. 

2.  The fact that this article applies perfectly to the legions of far left progressives and democrats still supporting this admn. 

3.  College professors who never worked a day in their lives callling others incompetent.

4.  The article not applying equally to Obama and the complete circus and puppet show that his admn is. 

5.  Calling followers of Beck clueless when you have the Peggys' and Julios' of the world literally worshipping Obama and this admn. 

6.  19 months of unmitigated failure and incompetence from this admn on healthcare, economy, forgeign policy, etc, and the best these two hacks can do is attack Beck. 

and lastly

7.  After the utter beat down you have received in your last attempt on these boards to make some misguided, uninformed, and idiotic point, that you would go for a third time. 

But, I digress, I'm sure in some part of your mind you think you are making a brilliant point with this thread.  I'm sure others will come along and do to you what they did in the other threads.     

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2010, 02:06:18 PM »
333 - the article and the video makes the point without my help

you and your fellow teabaggers and so woefully stupid that it's almost hard to believe

I know the video is well outside of your 15 second attention span so you probably diddn't even watch it

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2010, 02:07:18 PM »
Stupidity is a two-way road.



LOL!

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2010, 02:09:53 PM »
Julio in Ft. Meyers- enough said. 

Obama  - Dear God do I even need to say more about this idiot? 

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2010, 02:13:55 PM »
Stupidity is a two-way road.



LOL!

no doubt there are idiots on both sides but how many times are you guys gonna roll out the same clip?

teabaggers and other right wing loonies are doing the hard work to bring us new content every day of the week

how about finding some new material

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2010, 02:16:19 PM »
no doubt there are idiots on both sides but how many times are you guys gonna roll out the same clip?

teabaggers and other right wing loonies are doing the hard work to bring us new content every day of the week

how about finding some new material

Could tell you to do the same thing. You're obviously quite threatened by the tea party.



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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2010, 02:17:51 PM »

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2010, 02:19:14 PM »
Could tell you to do the same thing. You're obviously quite threatened by the tea party.

I gave you content that was current

you posted a video that is 2 years old and has been posted many, many times

we both know there are morons on both sides

all I'm asking is that you find some new idiots to show us


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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2010, 02:31:05 PM »


333 - this guy is clearly a head case (and again, it's been posted many times before)

how about you just find some examples of regular people, such as the plethora of teabaggers, who are have normal brain function but are just suffering from stupidy and ignorance.

the content I posted is from last week and person after person appears normal yet when they speak you realize they are so fucking stupid that they don't even know the positions, beliefs, quotes from their own spiritual leader Saint Glenn


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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2010, 02:41:32 PM »
i disagreew ith the tea party people a little bit but i like what there doing and the message there sending. i like the fact that there arming themselves and researching thats a good think anyway you slice it. lots of open carry people walking around my area since obama got in (even if they dont like him for the wrong reasons
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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2010, 05:24:43 PM »
Straw - say what you want about Beck, but the man is anything but dumb. 


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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 05:49:15 PM »
hey straw obama RECENTLY said that they knew the price of health insurance would go up...

do you agree?

if so please post clips or quotes of him saying so...

if not then you are basically the equivilant of the clip you posted...

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 08:12:28 PM »
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!   ;D  Oh no he di-ent.  LOL . . . .

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2010, 08:34:54 PM »
hey straw obama RECENTLY said that they knew the price of health insurance would go up...

do you agree?

if so please post clips or quotes of him saying so...

if not then you are basically the equivilant of the clip you posted...

I've heard the clip and he says (and we already knew this) that rates were going up already with or wiihout the legislation

shocking

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2010, 02:33:23 AM »
hey straw obama RECENTLY said that they knew the price of health insurance would go up...

do you agree?

if so please post clips or quotes of him saying so...

if not then you are basically the equivilant of the clip you posted...


Straw must have been thinking of you when he entitled the subject of this thread.  ;D

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2010, 05:30:03 AM »
I love how the far left is resroting to relying upon comedians for their news sources. 

As for this thread, this is goinfg to be another massive Straw Man backfire.   Straw - tell me when you have had enough. 












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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2010, 06:26:30 AM »
I've heard the clip and he says (and we already knew this) that rates were going up already with or wiihout the legislation

shocking

Obama never said that. He stated that the country would see lower premiums.  You, like the rest of rats in the White House, Democratic party and Liberals, are a liar.

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2010, 06:28:22 AM »
Obama never said that. He stated that the country would see lower premiums.  You, like the rest of rats in the White House, Democratic party and Liberals, are a liar.

EXACTLY!!!

He said premiums would be lowered and that it would lower the deficit, both of which were categorically FALSE!!!

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2010, 07:03:53 AM »
Yeah,tea baggers are all stupid.But Guys like Ed Shultz A LEADER of the liberal movement is hooking up with Al Sharpton at rallies and he will be having one in Washington next month and that should draw some really smart cookies like the NAACP unions and every other left wing kook.

The left is the movement of the idiots,which is why they have leaders like Sharpton,Jackson,Pelosi,Ayers,etc a bunch of morons who hate the country.

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2010, 07:08:14 AM »
He said that they would work with employers to lower premiums by $2500 for families.

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2010, 07:10:11 AM »
He said that they would work with employers to lower premiums by $2500 for families.

Exactly - Straws' denial of this is par for the course of him and the typical kneepadding ObamaCultist.

I posted the video proof in the other thread on HealthCare.   

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2010, 08:06:30 AM »
20 promises by Obama for a $2500 decrease in health premiums per family per year.

http://www.breitbart.tv/20-promises-for-2500-all-americans-now-await-lower-premiums-promised-by-obama/

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Re: When Stupid People don’t Know that They are Stupid
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2010, 08:10:05 AM »
20 promises by Obama for a $2500 decrease in health premiums per family per year.

http://www.breitbart.tv/20-promises-for-2500-all-americans-now-await-lower-premiums-promised-by-obama/

Can you get that in youtube?