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Sorry guys, but Im not with you on this one. Everyone on this board should know by now that I hate Rockefeller Republicans as much as the next guy. But you cant vote on a person JUST because of her ideology. The issue is not that she is too far right. Your missing the point. The issue is that she has ISSUES. She has problems. This isnt a Tom Coburn or Imhoffe were talking about here (who are high quality conservatives). She told a stupid lie about her record that was easily refutable (winning two of three districts against Biden?), and she has tried accusing Rasmussen of being in cahoots with the Republican Partry establishment. Werent the conspiracy nuts only supposed to be on the Democrat side? Yes, it does make it harder that she is showing these question marks in a state that is blue and getting bluer with almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. But how far right she is isnt the issue.

I agree that the Republican Establishment needs to get behind her and support her in the General Election, and I agree that Rove shouldnt have been so negative (though he did say he would supoort the Republican). But Rove is a Fox News analyst. His job is to tell you the situation in Delaware. And the situation in Delweare is that we have gone from an automatic seat to a big question mark at best. We are now going to have to put energy and money into this state that could have been used elsewhere in other battleground states (California for instance).
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Sorry guys, but Im not with you on this one. Everyone on this board should know by now that I hate Rockefeller Republicans as much as the next guy. But you cant vote on a person JUST because of her ideology. The issue is not that she is too far right. Your missing the point. The issue is that she has ISSUES. She has problems. This isnt a Tom Coburn or Imhoffe were talking about here (who are high quality conservatives). She told a stupid lie about her record that was easily refutable (winning two of three districts against Biden?), and she has tried accusing Rasmussen of being in cahoots with the Republican Partry establishment. Werent the conspiracy nuts only supposed to be on the Democrat side? Yes, it does make it harder that she is showing these question marks in a state that is blue and getting bluer with almost twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. But how far right she is isnt the issue.

I agree that the Republican Establishment needs to get behind her and support her in the General Election, and I agree that Rove shouldnt have been so negative (though he did say he would supoort the Republican). But Rove is a Fox News analyst. His job is to tell you the situation in Delaware. And the situation in Delweare is that we have gone from an automatic seat to a big question mark at best. We are now going to have to put energy and money into this state that could have been used elsewhere in other battleground states (California for instance).

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You're 100% right here - And the situation in Delweare is that we have gone from an automatic seat to a big question mark at best

IMO, the tea party voters are often so gung-ho about getting a non-traditional candidate that they will pick loonies, goofs, and obvious liars - "anything but the status quo!"

They'll get better with time, and when more quality candidates are willing to come fwd and say "I'm a tea party republican".  Early on, sure, it may be many marginal candidates getting into the mix.  Come 2012, everyone and anyone will be claiming Tea party membership to win a job.

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Rove was a bit harsh.  I didn't know anything about this woman.  Read a little about her and listened to her a bit.  Sounds o.k. to me. 

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Who the hell cares about party anymore?  240 you really crack me up, seriously.  Castle has an F rating from the NRA, voted for Cap & Trade, said he wont vote to repeal obamacare, has one of the most liberal voting records on spending, and you expect people to just bend over so we can have another RINO and potential Jim Jeffords on our hands?  

No thanks.  I prefer taking the shot with ODonnell than a RINO who will vote for cap & trade, not vote to repeal obamacare, etc.  

What good would a castle win be anyway?

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Rove was a bit harsh.  I didn't know anything about this woman.  Read a little about her and listened to her a bit.  Sounds o.k. to me.  

she did make quite an outrageous claim - she said (on tape) that she defeated Biden in 2 of 3 counties.  This would, of course, have made her the winner.  She won ONE of the counties.  So she did strettttch the truth on it.

I like her positions on issues - It's just that she was willing to outright lie about something to easy to check - it makes you wonder about her integrity.

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Who the hell cares about party anymore?  240 you really crack me up, seriously.  Castle has an F rating from the NRA, voted for Cap & Trade, said he wont vote to repeal obamacare, has one of the most liberal voting records on spending, and you expect people to just bend over so we can have another RINO and potential Jim Jeffords on our hands? 

No thanks.  I prefer taking the shot with ODonnell than a RINO who will vote for cap & trade, not vote to repeal obamacare, etc. 

What good would a castle win be anyway?

I'd vote for her over the lib canddiate in a minute dude.

I'm saying from the GOP point of view, she gave the (D) a chance to win in that state where they had none, that's all.

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she did make quite an outrageous claim - she said (on tape) that she defeated Biden in 2 of 3 counties.  This would, of course, have made her the winner.  She won ONE of the counties.  So she did strettttch the truth on it.

I like her positions on issues - It's just that she was willing to outright lie about something to easy to check - it makes you wonder about her integrity.

Again, the issue to me is how a person will vote on issues, nothing else.  In my mind, if you vote for cap & trade and have an F rating from the NRA, you have no business in any elected officer anywhere. 

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I'd vote for her over the lib canddiate in a minute dude.

I'm saying from the GOP point of view, she gave the (D) a chance to win in that state where they had none, that's all.

Castle is a democrat is reality anyway. 

I really dont care anymore about party as much as ideology.  Cap & Trade and F rating from the NRA is probably the worst possible things in my mind. 

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she did make quite an outrageous claim - she said (on tape) that she defeated Biden in 2 of 3 counties.  This would, of course, have made her the winner.  She won ONE of the counties.  So she did strettttch the truth on it.

I like her positions on issues - It's just that she was willing to outright lie about something to easy to check - it makes you wonder about her integrity.

Did she lie or misspeak?  What was her explanation? 

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To me, having the GOP control the Senate in a 49-51 basis where Castle is the one voteis an awful situation.  I would rather have the gop have the house of reps and have a 49-51 minority in the Senate. 

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Christine O'Donnell, who is challenging Rep. Mike Castle for the Delaware GOP Senate nomination, recently landed in hot water for saying she had won two (of three) counties in 2008 against Joe Biden.

She did not.

She then backtracked on a radio program and said she meant she tied. She did not do that either. She lost Kent County 57%-43% and came extraordinarily close in Sussex County, the Southernmost county, losing by just 272 votes.

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Yet Biden gets a free pass for his many faux pas?????

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Yet Biden gets a free pass for his many faux pas?????

who said he gets a free pass? 

you use biden's lies to excuse her lie?

Okay, they're both lying pieces of shite.  bravo.  You have effectively put her in the Biden category for integrity.  Sweet.  Nice.

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who said he gets a free pass? 

you use biden's lies to excuse her lie?

Okay, they're both lying pieces of shite.  bravo.  You have effectively put her in the Biden category for integrity.  Sweet.  Nice.

How I am looking at this is how she will vote on issues like cap & tax, obamaCare, etc. 

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Christine O'Donnell, who is challenging Rep. Mike Castle for the Delaware GOP Senate nomination, recently landed in hot water for saying she had won two (of three) counties in 2008 against Joe Biden.

She did not.

She then backtracked on a radio program and said she meant she tied. She did not do that either. She lost Kent County 57%-43% and came extraordinarily close in Sussex County, the Southernmost county, losing by just 272 votes.


Where are the quotes? 

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Where are the quotes? 


Politico’s David Catanese: As buzz about Christine O’Donnell’s insurgent Senate candidacy in Delaware builds, scrutiny about her record is also intensifying, even from unlikely sources. On Tuesday morning, O’Donnell was grilled on a Delaware radio station by a host who supported her first run for Senate in 2006, posing tough questions about her electoral claims, campaign debt and a scathing personal attack against Rep. Mike Castle produced by a former campaign aide. The 22-minute interview conducted by conservative WGMD host Dan Gaffney included a lively back-and-forth that placed O’Donnell on the defensive, with just 12 days until the GOP Senate primary. Gaffney first called O’Donnell out for repeatedly making a false claim she won two out of the state’s three counties against Vice President Joe Biden in the 2008 Senate race. “I don’t ever think I ever said I won two out of three counties,” O’Donnell said, before Gaffney played audiotape from an event in Pennsylvania where she made the claim. “I was the 2008 endorsed candidate against Joe Biden and I won in two counties,” she says in the tape. O’Donnell’s explanation: “You know that probably was, you’re on the campaign trail a lot, I meant tied.” Replied Gaffney: “You didn’t tie him either.” O’Donnell, the 2008 GOP Senate nominee, continued to claim she tied Biden in Sussex County. “Look at the results: He beat you. He won in votes. You know that,” Gaffney said.

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Politico’s David Catanese: As buzz about Christine O’Donnell’s insurgent Senate candidacy in Delaware builds, scrutiny about her record is also intensifying, even from unlikely sources. On Tuesday morning, O’Donnell was grilled on a Delaware radio station by a host who supported her first run for Senate in 2006, posing tough questions about her electoral claims, campaign debt and a scathing personal attack against Rep. Mike Castle produced by a former campaign aide. The 22-minute interview conducted by conservative WGMD host Dan Gaffney included a lively back-and-forth that placed O’Donnell on the defensive, with just 12 days until the GOP Senate primary. Gaffney first called O’Donnell out for repeatedly making a false claim she won two out of the state’s three counties against Vice President Joe Biden in the 2008 Senate race. “I don’t ever think I ever said I won two out of three counties,” O’Donnell said, before Gaffney played audiotape from an event in Pennsylvania where she made the claim. “I was the 2008 endorsed candidate against Joe Biden and I won in two counties,” she says in the tape. O’Donnell’s explanation: “You know that probably was, you’re on the campaign trail a lot, I meant tied.” Replied Gaffney: “You didn’t tie him either.” O’Donnell, the 2008 GOP Senate nominee, continued to claim she tied Biden in Sussex County. “Look at the results: He beat you. He won in votes. You know that,” Gaffney said.

Sounds like she lied, but I'd be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.  Not in the Blumenthal (sp?) category. 

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Basically what happened is that she said she won 2 of 3 counties against Biden and actually didnt win any of them. She can very close to winning one, but for one of the counties she said she won she actually lost by something like 50%!!!

33, Mike Castle gives you a vote for repealing Obamacare, and he gives you votes against any additional large stimuluses (he voted against all of those). On his show, Hugh Hewitt talks about teh importance of the 51st Senator, which gives Republicans power over how committes are set up and how they are run. This is espeacially important in the Judiciary Committe. If Obama appoints another Supreme Court Justice, you are going to want that gavel in Jim Sessions' hand, espeacially if that appointee is replacing a conservative Justice. You have to ask yourself, would you rather have 40 Jim Demints, or 60 Lindsay Grahams? 60 Lyndsay Grahams for me. Color the map red.
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I'm sorry, F rating from the NRA and Cap & Trade are just too much for me. 

Also, I think she is going to win.  She raised 1 Million dollars today alone and is running against a self described marxist. 

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Yet Biden gets a free pass for his many faux pas?????

Interestingly enough I think that was exactly Odonnel's response. But I think the voters of Deleware in the General Election are going to want a better explanation than that from a potential Senator.
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In her $6.9 million gender discrimination lawsuit against her former employer, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, Delaware Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell claimed that "ISI violated its promise to allow Miss ODonnell time to take Master's degree classes at Princeton." According to the complaint, due to ISI's actions, "Miss O'Donnell has lost the increased earning power that a Master's degree from Princeton would have created," and this loss of "earning power" cost her "up to $50,000 per year, for three lost years at $150,000."

In fact, her campaign manager acknowledged that O'Donnell did not have her bachelor's degree at the time and only audited one undergraduate class at Princeton. O'Donnell was unable to explain this contradiction when asked about it by CNN's Jessica Yellin

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/reporters-question-odonnell-about-princeton-grad-school-claim?page=2



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Politico’s David Catanese: As buzz about Christine O’Donnell’s insurgent Senate candidacy in Delaware builds, scrutiny about her record is also intensifying, even from unlikely sources. On Tuesday morning, O’Donnell was grilled on a Delaware radio station by a host who supported her first run for Senate in 2006, posing tough questions about her electoral claims, campaign debt and a scathing personal attack against Rep. Mike Castle produced by a former campaign aide. The 22-minute interview conducted by conservative WGMD host Dan Gaffney included a lively back-and-forth that placed O’Donnell on the defensive, with just 12 days until the GOP Senate primary. Gaffney first called O’Donnell out for repeatedly making a false claim she won two out of the state’s three counties against Vice President Joe Biden in the 2008 Senate race. “I don’t ever think I ever said I won two out of three counties,” O’Donnell said, before Gaffney played audiotape from an event in Pennsylvania where she made the claim. “I was the 2008 endorsed candidate against Joe Biden and I won in two counties,” she says in the tape. O’Donnell’s explanation: “You know that probably was, you’re on the campaign trail a lot, I meant tied.” Replied Gaffney: “You didn’t tie him either.” O’Donnell, the 2008 GOP Senate nominee, continued to claim she tied Biden in Sussex County. “Look at the results: He beat you. He won in votes. You know that,” Gaffney said.

WOW. i had heard about this radio interview, but that is the first time I have actually seen a transcript. And you guys wonder why Rove was so pissed.
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She's gonna be amusing!


CHRISTINE O’DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you’re exaggerating or lying to, because it’s not respecting reality


"She believes evolution is a lie!"
CHRISTINE O'DONNELL: Well, creationism, in essence, is believing that the world began as the Bible in Genesis says, that God created the Earth in six days, six 24-hour periods. And there is just as much, if not more, evidence supporting that.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/77707/odonnell-carbon-dating-bogus

She's anti-Masturbation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christine O'Donnell, the Republican nominee for Senate in Delaware, discussing her group the Saviors Alliance for Lifting the Truth, or SALT. In it, she says, "Lust in your heart is committing adultery, and you can't masturbate without lust."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2010/09/christine_odonnell_thinks_mast.html




So needless to say - - - I think she's going to be very fun political theater - and I can see why Rove and many others think she's not electable.  She's WAY far right.

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Coons took 'bearded Marxist' turn (Dem Delaware Senate Candidate)
Politico ^ | 5/3/10 10:52 PM EDT | ALEX ISENSTADT

Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:37:26 PM by Red Steel


An article Democrat Chris Coons wrote for his college newspaper may not go over so well in corporation-friendly Delaware, where he already faces an uphill battle for Vice President Joe Biden’s old Senate seat.

The title? “Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist.”

In the article, Coons, then 21 years old and about to graduate from Amherst College, chronicled his transformation from a sheltered, conservative-minded college student who had worked for former GOP Delaware Sen. William Roth and had campaigned for Ronald Reagan in 1980 into a cynical young adult who was distrustful of American power and willing to question the American notion of free enterprise.

Coons, the New Castle County executive who is running against GOP Rep. Michael Castle for the state’s open Senate seat, wrote of his political evolution in the May 23, 1985, edition of the Amherst Student.

The source of his conversion, Coons wrote, was a trip to Kenya he took during the spring semester of his junior year—a time away from America, he wrote, that served as a “catalyst” in altering a conservative political outlook that he was growing increasingly uncomfortable with.

“My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote, noting that at one time he had been a “proud founding member of the Amherst College Republicans.”

t is only too easy to return from Africa glad to be American and smugly thankful for our wealth and freedom,” added Coons. “Instead, Amherst had taught me to question, so in turn I questioned Amherst, and America.”

Dave Hoffman, a Coons campaign spokesman, said the title of the article was designed as a humorous take-off on a joke Coons’s college friends had made about how his time outside the country had affected his outlook.

Hoffman said the trip to Kenya helped lead to Coons’s decision to become a Democrat.

“Chris wrote an article about a transformative experience during his semester in Kenya more than twenty-five years ago,” said Hoffman in a statement to POLITICO. “After witnessing crushing poverty and the consequences of the Reagan Administration’s ‘constructive engagement’ with the South African apartheid regime, he rethought his political views, returned to the America he loved and proudly registered as a Democrat.”

In one passage of the article, Coons explains how in the months leading up to the trip abroad “leftists” on campus and college professors had begun to “challenge the basic assumptions” he had formed about America.

A course on cultural anthropology, noted Coons, had “undermined the accepted value of progress and the cultural superiority of the West,” while a class on the Vietnam War led him to “suspect…that the ideal of America as a ‘beacon of freedom and justice, providing hope for the world’ was not exactly based in reality.”

For Coons, Kenya was an especially jarring experience that significantly influenced his already-changing political beliefs. He wrote that he was particularly troubled by his experience with Kenyan elites, who he said were utterly dismissive of the poor.

“I became friends with a very wealthy businessman and his family and heard them reiterate the same beliefs held by many Americans: the poor are poor because they are lazy, slovenly, uneducated,” wrote Coons. “I realize that Kenya and America are very different, but experiences like this warned me that my own favorite beliefs in the miracles of free enterprise and the boundless opportunities to be had in America were largely untrue.”

Coons wrote that upon his return to Amherst for his senior year he realized that, while he had discovered the faults of his country, he had also “returned to loving America.”


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Coons took 'bearded Marxist' turn (Dem Delaware Senate Candidate)
Politico ^ | 5/3/10 10:52 PM EDT | ALEX ISENSTADT

Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:37:26 PM by Red Steel


An article Democrat Chris Coons wrote for his college newspaper may not go over so well in corporation-friendly Delaware, where he already faces an uphill battle for Vice President Joe Biden’s old Senate seat.

The title? “Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist.”

In the article, Coons, then 21 years old and about to graduate from Amherst College, chronicled his transformation from a sheltered, conservative-minded college student who had worked for former GOP Delaware Sen. William Roth and had campaigned for Ronald Reagan in 1980 into a cynical young adult who was distrustful of American power and willing to question the American notion of free enterprise.

Coons, the New Castle County executive who is running against GOP Rep. Michael Castle for the state’s open Senate seat, wrote of his political evolution in the May 23, 1985, edition of the Amherst Student.

The source of his conversion, Coons wrote, was a trip to Kenya he took during the spring semester of his junior year—a time away from America, he wrote, that served as a “catalyst” in altering a conservative political outlook that he was growing increasingly uncomfortable with.

“My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote, noting that at one time he had been a “proud founding member of the Amherst College Republicans.”

t is only too easy to return from Africa glad to be American and smugly thankful for our wealth and freedom,” added Coons. “Instead, Amherst had taught me to question, so in turn I questioned Amherst, and America.”

Dave Hoffman, a Coons campaign spokesman, said the title of the article was designed as a humorous take-off on a joke Coons’s college friends had made about how his time outside the country had affected his outlook.

Hoffman said the trip to Kenya helped lead to Coons’s decision to become a Democrat.

“Chris wrote an article about a transformative experience during his semester in Kenya more than twenty-five years ago,” said Hoffman in a statement to POLITICO. “After witnessing crushing poverty and the consequences of the Reagan Administration’s ‘constructive engagement’ with the South African apartheid regime, he rethought his political views, returned to the America he loved and proudly registered as a Democrat.”

In one passage of the article, Coons explains how in the months leading up to the trip abroad “leftists” on campus and college professors had begun to “challenge the basic assumptions” he had formed about America.

A course on cultural anthropology, noted Coons, had “undermined the accepted value of progress and the cultural superiority of the West,” while a class on the Vietnam War led him to “suspect…that the ideal of America as a ‘beacon of freedom and justice, providing hope for the world’ was not exactly based in reality.”

For Coons, Kenya was an especially jarring experience that significantly influenced his already-changing political beliefs. He wrote that he was particularly troubled by his experience with Kenyan elites, who he said were utterly dismissive of the poor.

“I became friends with a very wealthy businessman and his family and heard them reiterate the same beliefs held by many Americans: the poor are poor because they are lazy, slovenly, uneducated,” wrote Coons. “I realize that Kenya and America are very different, but experiences like this warned me that my own favorite beliefs in the miracles of free enterprise and the boundless opportunities to be had in America were largely untrue.”

Coons wrote that upon his return to Amherst for his senior year he realized that, while he had discovered the faults of his country, he had also “returned to loving America.”



Not surprising. You ever meet anyone whose gone to Amherst College?