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America, you are at a crossroad
« on: September 16, 2010, 06:35:05 PM »
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Today it was reported that housing foreclosures are up 25% from last year for the month of Aug. :-X
It was also reported that 43 million Americans or 14.3% of Americans are below the poverty line.  The highest since 1994.

I don't need to go into the slew of other problems we face as we debate them constantly.


I will say that how this ends or whatever choices we make i.e. the people we vote into office  will have a larger than normal impact.

We are pretty fucked up right now...But this beautiful country will bounce back and be better than ever....

P.S. Don't need a spiele about how we aren't really poor....Everything is relative so fuck off.


Morally we need to go much more conservative....wanna know why? Turn on your television.
Culturally, we need to always have our (America's) interests in hand...Preserving our way of life, our principles and what we stand for.  By assimilating and I don't mean dying your hair blonde and getting blue contacts.  You can preserve your heritage but we are asking,...no we are telling you that you must abide by our customs and courtesies.


Economically,

Cut taxes for small businesses
Cut taxes for the middle class or anyone making under $500,000 (better than the 250k)
Continue fighting for additional health care reform.
Severe tax breaks for companies that build things here....I call it the "MADE IN AMERICA" initiative.  I don't mean some slimy bullshit like making a door in the U.S. and the rest of the car in Mexico and saying techinically it was made in America....ALL OF IT needs to be made here.
Limit the length of time members can serve in Congress and the Senate.
Political reform - Lobbyist and special interest groups no longer allowed to give to political candidates in addition to other political reform.
Education system reform.....SEVERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The name of this game is VOUCHERS.
If you are FAT as fuck smoke or have some other self induced disorder it's gonna affect you...expect higher premiums....MUCH HIGHER...
A task force must be created to crack down on illegal immigrants...How will we do this?  A national ID card will replace all forms of ID.  It is scannable if you don't have one, you can't buy shit, go to a hospital (non-emergency) get housing or work...Simple as that.  You cut off all this stuff, people will leave. Anyone found to be aiding or abetting illegals will be fined and or jailed.
Military service is now mandatory for EVERYONE at the age of 18 for two years....EVEN the rich or soon to be rich aka athletes.
Leave it up to states to legalize MJ.  BUT MJ will be decriminalized by the feds.
Build real walls or whatever the fuck to protect our boarders and increase the  manpower.
Banking and Wallstreet reform...White collar crime will have the same penalties as other crimes...Expect alot more jailtime and fines....The rich peoples days of getting rich through scheming are over...
Alternative energy sources SEVERE tax breaks eventually getting away from big oil...fuck big oil and all those in charge.
Stiffer penalities for drug dealers cocaine = same as crack.
Establish English as the national language of the U.S.
Reform for people that want to go to college, undergrad, graduate and post grad school so they aren't in debt for the next 30 years.
No big government lots of cuts.

Personal responsibility will be America's new mantra....We will no longer continue down the road of being a welfare state.  

God Bless America

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2010, 06:47:45 PM »
You were doing so well, but legalize MJ and stiffen penalties for drugs??  Complete contradiction.  Coke is no worse than MJ in my opinion so leave out the arbitrary rationalization.

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2010, 06:51:52 PM »
Fucking amen wiggs.
Except the whole legalize pot/stiffer penalties for coke. Theyre both mind altering substances and they both have their good users and their bad... yes you dont see it as much with weed but its just the same.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 06:57:59 PM »
 That reads like the wish list of all wish lists. Admit to the corruptions and failures of George Bush, And you'd start making some progress. Corruption is the issue regardless of outcome.

this guy makes you think a little.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2010, 07:00:05 PM »
This world is going to shit.
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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2010, 07:00:26 PM »
You were doing so well, but legalize MJ and stiffen penalties for drugs??  Complete contradiction.  Coke is no worse than MJ in my opinion so leave out the arbitrary rationalization.

please expand because medical studies and common sense say otherwise

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2010, 07:03:06 PM »
please expand because medical studies and common sense say otherwise
Common sense as well I got friends that smoke weed and friends that do coke.  I don't let my coke friends in my house if there's anything around that has resale values. I won't let my weed friends  come over if there's anything around resembling baked goods.

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 07:06:25 PM »
Common sense as well I got friends that smoke weed and friends that do coke.  I don't let my coke friends in my house if there's anything around that has resale values. I won't let my weed friends  come over if there's anything around resembling baked goods.

lol ! So true...

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 07:22:13 PM »
I'm overhere right now, There is no coming back from this for you guys, not for main street, the type of jobs folks on Main street would do get done in China,or some other third world shi t hole Obama will have to re think capitalism and the version he inherited for the US to recover and that isn't going to happen with governments being influenced by big business who is the only real beneficiary of the current strategy.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2010, 07:23:16 PM »
Common sense as well I got friends that smoke weed and friends that do coke.  I don't let my coke friends in my house if there's anything around that has resale values. I won't let my weed friends  come over if there's anything around resembling baked goods.

Bullshit.

Coke is a stupid drug.
I have seen absolute nobodies act like they were special on coke. It makes you feel like you are worth something when you're a pathetic loser. Too bad eventually every trip ends and then you're still the scumbag you have been before.

For me, the best drug is success. You cannot buy it, the trip may be short, may be long, but it builds up over a very long time and the trips get better every time. There are no bad side effects, but it's addicting as hell.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2010, 07:28:50 PM »
Gentlemen, let us not talk about our differences.  The weed matter is a minor one.  Let us discuss our similarities...and yes, now I'm high...BTW Coach sir, I'd like you to chime in here please.  I've been feeling really conservative lately with shit fallen apart and all.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2010, 07:32:12 PM »
Gentlemen, let us not talk about our differences.  The weed matter is a minor one.  Let us discuss our similarities...and yes, now I'm high...BTW Coach sir, I'd like you to chime in here please.  I've been feeling really conservative lately with shit fallen apart and all.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2010, 07:32:46 PM »
Bullshit.

Coke is a stupid drug.
I have seen absolute nobodies act like they were special on coke. It makes you feel like you are worth something when you're a pathetic loser. Too bad eventually every trip ends and then you're still the scumbag you have been before.

For me, the best drug is success. You cannot buy it, the trip may be short, may be long, but it builds up over a very long time and the trips get better every time. There are no bad side effects, but it's addicting as hell.
I'm no advocate of coke read what I said their fucking sketchy ass carriers of STD's.
Success is drug. Hmm no consequences. What about repetitive strain injuries, the rampant amount of stress related illnesses, the lack of morals people driven by success have, or the fact successful people are full of shit and miserable.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2010, 07:33:06 PM »
"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no brains."

Who said that?  Not a bad quote.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 07:36:40 PM »
please expand because medical studies and common sense say otherwise

Drugs are drugs.  Different highs impact different people differently.  Neither one is 'good for you' dont kid yourself, and its not about health anyway as long as tobacco and alcohol are legal.  There are tons and tons of people who like to take the weekend in vegas do a bunch of coke and party for three straight days before returning home to their normal lives/jobs/families etc.  Then there are people who smoke pot all day everyday.  Neither is better, its just preference.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2010, 07:36:58 PM »
Wow. This post is spot on.
Finally someone turns to conservatism & they see the light.
As a strong conservative I'm happy to read this shit.


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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2010, 07:37:29 PM »
I think this whole lib/conservative thing will be settled on the Olympia stage once and for all.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2010, 07:39:22 PM »
I think this whole lib/conservative thing will be settled on the Olympia stage once and for all.

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2010, 07:40:05 PM »
Wow. This post is spot on.
Finally someone turns to conservatism & they see the light.
As a strong conservative I'm happy to read this shit.




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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2010, 07:40:54 PM »
If you think people shouldn't be able to smoke marijuana freely You're fucking GAY.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2010, 07:41:18 PM »
Weird I'm a liberal and I agree with a lot of what you said...

Morally
Economically
Culturally


Today it was reported that housing foreclosures are up 25% from last year for the month of Aug. :-X
It was also reported that 43 million Americans or 14.3% of Americans are below the poverty line.  The highest since 1994.

I don't need to go into the slew of other problems we face as we debate them constantly.


I will say that how this ends or whatever choices we make i.e. the people we vote into office  will have a larger than normal impact.

We are pretty fucked up right now...But this beautiful country will bounce back and be better than ever....

P.S. Don't need a spiele about how we aren't really poor....Everything is relative so fuck off.


Morally we need to go much more conservative....wanna know why? Turn on your television.
Culturally, we need to always have our (America's) interests in hand...Preserving our way of life, our principles and what we stand for.  By assimilating and I don't mean dying your hair blonde and getting blue contacts.  You can preserve your heritage but we are asking,...no we are telling you that you must abide by our customs and courtesies.


Economically,

Cut taxes for small businesses Agree

Cut taxes for the middle class or anyone making under $500,000 (better than the 250k) somewhat agree

Continue fighting for additional health care reform. agree

Severe tax breaks for companies that build things here....I call it the "MADE IN AMERICA" initiative.  I don't mean some slimy bullshit like making a door in the U.S. and the rest of the car in Mexico and saying techinically it was made in America....ALL OF IT needs to be made here. agree

Limit the length of time members can serve in Congress and the Senate. dunno enough about it to comment

Political reform - Lobbyist and special interest groups no longer allowed to give to political candidates in addition to other political reform. dunno enough about it to comment

Education system reform.....SEVERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The name of this game is VOUCHERS. What do you mean by vouchers?

If you are FAT as fuck smoke or have some other self induced disorder it's gonna affect you...expect higher premiums....MUCH HIGHER...Agree to an extent, somethings need to be worked out

A task force must be created to crack down on illegal immigrants...How will we do this?  A national ID card will replace all forms of ID.  It is scannable if you don't have one, you can't buy shit, go to a hospital (non-emergency) get housing or work...Simple as that.  You cut off all this stuff, people will leave. Anyone found to be aiding or abetting illegals will be fined and or jailed. Agree, but since I legally immigrated from a country that has a national ID you have to be VERY careful how you set up the system

Military service is now mandatory for EVERYONE at the age of 18 for two years....EVEN the rich or soon to be rich aka athletes. Disagree - one of the greatest thing about this country is having a choice, I immigrated from a country that makes it mandatory and its a pain in the ass, unorganized, and corrupt

Leave it up to states to legalize MJ.  BUT MJ will be decriminalized by the feds. Agree - and I've never smoked in my life, your body your choice, hell even TAX THE SHIT OUT OF IT, and man you put an end to this recession

Build real walls or whatever the fuck to protect our boarders and increase the  manpower. Agree

Banking and Wallstreet reform...White collar crime will have the same penalties as other crimes...Expect alot more jailtime and fines....The rich peoples days of getting rich through scheming are over... Agree

Alternative energy sources SEVERE tax breaks eventually getting away from big oil...fuck big oil and all those in charge. Agree

Stiffer penalities for drug dealers cocaine = same as crack. Agree but yeah contradicts the MJ argument LOL

Establish English as the national language of the U.S. Agree.... again though many countries abroad have two languages... go to egypt, street signs are written in Arabic AND English (Arabic is the national language)

Reform for people that want to go to college, undergrad, graduate and post grad school so they aren't in debt for the next 30 years. Agree.. but dunno how it will be done

No big government lots of cuts. disagree - there's a lot worst shit out there

Personal responsibility will be America's new mantra....We will no longer continue down the road of being a welfare state.  

God Bless America

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2010, 07:41:52 PM »
"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no brains."

I agree with the first part of the post because I think everyone under the age of 22 is a liberal. They all want great social reform & programs until they graduate college & get real jobs & see how much liberalism actually costs when uncle Sam takes a nasty flesh wound in your paycheck.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2010, 07:48:13 PM »
You were doing so well, but legalize MJ and stiffen penalties for drugs??  Complete contradiction.  Coke is no worse than MJ in my opinion so leave out the arbitrary rationalization.

MJ users should be given raises. Coke and speed users should be ground into meat paste and sold as animal feed.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2010, 07:52:49 PM »
Drugs are drugs.  Different highs impact different people differently.  Neither one is 'good for you' dont kid yourself, and its not about health anyway as long as tobacco and alcohol are legal.  There are tons and tons of people who like to take the weekend in vegas do a bunch of coke and party for three straight days before returning home to their normal lives/jobs/families etc.  Then there are people who smoke pot all day everyday.  Neither is better, its just preference.

I think i misunderstood the message of your post. I think your were talking about druggies who are willing to do any drug on the table, in that aspect then I agree with you that any drug is a drug.  But comparing like a recretional MJ user vs a recretional coke user is apples and oranges.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2010, 08:08:09 PM »
I think this whole lib/conservative thing will be settled on the Olympia stage once and for all.

Thanks for getting us back on the real important stuff that's going on in the world!!  ;D ;D
I'm no advocate of coke read what I said their fucking sketchy ass carriers of STD's.
Success is drug. Hmm no consequences. What about repetitive strain injuries, the rampant amount of stress related illnesses, the lack of morals people driven by success have, or the fact successful people are full of shit and miserable.

LOL, ok you're right, i give you this one.
Drugs are drugs.  Different highs impact different people differently.  Neither one is 'good for you' dont kid yourself, and its not about health anyway as long as tobacco and alcohol are legal.  There are tons and tons of people who like to take the weekend in vegas do a bunch of coke and party for three straight days before returning home to their normal lives/jobs/families etc.  Then there are people who smoke pot all day everyday.  Neither is better, its just preference.

Good post!
Who said that?  Not a bad quote.

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