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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2010, 09:46:26 AM »
i always found it weird that these black people were driving in the biggest cars to kfc. is that also got to do with it showstoppa?

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2010, 09:52:56 AM »
i wondered when somone would blame George Bush.. you are naive to think George Bush started all this crap.

Wiggs= On the right track.. You sound like a Tea Party member... Good for you...
So if your dad blows 100 k of your households money on guns  you see no issue with this. The problem isn't in it's self what bush did. It's that you guys can't see how fucked up what he did was. He invaded iraq for no reason, costed a trillion dollars. Other bad things will happen this century but this one act alone will go down in the history books as the straw that broke the camels back. For the record I vote conservative up here in canada, atleast at the moment.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2010, 09:52:56 AM »

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2010, 09:57:41 AM »
I agree with the first part of the post because I think everyone under the age of 22 is a liberal. They all want great social reform & programs until they graduate college & get real jobs & see how much liberalism actually costs when uncle Sam takes a nasty flesh wound in your paycheck.

You think wrong. I've worked since I was 15 yr old and I was a Republican by 18. I learned early that liberalism is a nasty disease. George Bush wasn't the best president, but he was definitely better than Obama for sure :P

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2010, 09:59:00 AM »
Morally
Economically
Culturally


Today it was reported that housing foreclosures are up 25% from last year for the month of Aug. :-X
It was also reported that 43 million Americans or 14.3% of Americans are below the poverty line.  The highest since 1994.

I don't need to go into the slew of other problems we face as we debate them constantly.


I will say that how this ends or whatever choices we make i.e. the people we vote into office  will have a larger than normal impact.

We are pretty fucked up right now...But this beautiful country will bounce back and be better than ever....

P.S. Don't need a spiele about how we aren't really poor....Everything is relative so fuck off.


Morally we need to go much more conservative....wanna know why? Turn on your television.
Culturally, we need to always have our (America's) interests in hand...Preserving our way of life, our principles and what we stand for.  By assimilating and I don't mean dying your hair blonde and getting blue contacts.  You can preserve your heritage but we are asking,...no we are telling you that you must abide by our customs and courtesies.


Economically,

Cut taxes for small businesses
Cut taxes for the middle class or anyone making under $500,000 (better than the 250k)
Continue fighting for additional health care reform.
Severe tax breaks for companies that build things here....I call it the "MADE IN AMERICA" initiative.  I don't mean some slimy bullshit like making a door in the U.S. and the rest of the car in Mexico and saying techinically it was made in America....ALL OF IT needs to be made here.
Limit the length of time members can serve in Congress and the Senate.
Political reform - Lobbyist and special interest groups no longer allowed to give to political candidates in addition to other political reform.
Education system reform.....SEVERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The name of this game is VOUCHERS.
If you are FAT as fuck smoke or have some other self induced disorder it's gonna affect you...expect higher premiums....MUCH HIGHER...
A task force must be created to crack down on illegal immigrants...How will we do this?  A national ID card will replace all forms of ID.  It is scannable if you don't have one, you can't buy shit, go to a hospital (non-emergency) get housing or work...Simple as that.  You cut off all this stuff, people will leave. Anyone found to be aiding or abetting illegals will be fined and or jailed.
Military service is now mandatory for EVERYONE at the age of 18 for two years....EVEN the rich or soon to be rich aka athletes.
Leave it up to states to legalize MJ.  BUT MJ will be decriminalized by the feds.
Build real walls or whatever the fuck to protect our boarders and increase the  manpower.
Banking and Wallstreet reform...White collar crime will have the same penalties as other crimes...Expect alot more jailtime and fines....The rich peoples days of getting rich through scheming are over...
Alternative energy sources SEVERE tax breaks eventually getting away from big oil...fuck big oil and all those in charge.
Stiffer penalities for drug dealers cocaine = same as crack.
Establish English as the national language of the U.S.
Reform for people that want to go to college, undergrad, graduate and post grad school so they aren't in debt for the next 30 years.
No big government lots of cuts.

Personal responsibility will be America's new mantra....We will no longer continue down the road of being a welfare state.  

God Bless America

Wiggs Approved....BTW no I'm not high....discuss.


You may not be a Republican, but you sure sound conservative. Please explain.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2010, 10:06:04 AM »
You think wrong. I've worked since I was 15 yr old and I was a Republican by 18. I learned early that liberalism is a nasty disease. George Bush wasn't the best president, but he was definitely better than Obama for sure :P
Why does being conservative mean you favour a Amry that's 4.7 percent of your gdp. You think nearly 4 cents on the dollar isn't an issue? This is big goverment at it's worst. Cut military spending in half and you got the stimulus money back in 4 one presidency.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2010, 10:08:43 AM »
like bush is more intelligent than obama ::) he has the brains of a gold fish

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2010, 10:10:03 AM »
like bush is more intelligent than obama ::) he has the brains of a gold fish
This ain't about obama, he hasn't done anything, he's a forgettable pres.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2010, 10:27:44 AM »
FYI relative to our population canada has spend about 300 billion in stimulus. We have a conservative Prime minister. Our banking industry was uneffected by the 2008 crisis, and we were the only same bet for investors at the time. You honeslty think Mccain would of provided less? You guys were edging very close to default and you can't even see it.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2010, 10:36:14 AM »
So if your dad blows 100 k of your households money on guns  you see no issue with this. The problem isn't in it's self what bush did. It's that you guys can't see how fucked up what he did was. He invaded iraq for no reason, costed a trillion dollars. Other bad things will happen this century but this one act alone will go down in the history books as the straw that broke the camels back. For the record I vote conservative up here in canada, atleast at the moment.

Hey hoser, how about if you're not American , your opinion on issues in America doesn't matter.  You don't pay taxes here, you don't vote here, so fuck off.

As for the rest of us, no matter what side you're on , STOP BLAMING FUCKING BUSH ALREADY!!!  IT'S BEEN 20 MONTHS AND IT'S GOTTEN WORSE!!!
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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2010, 11:02:07 AM »
Hey hoser, how about if you're not American , your opinion on issues in America doesn't matter.  You don't pay taxes here, you don't vote here, so fuck off.

As for the rest of us, no matter what side you're on , STOP BLAMING FUCKING BUSH ALREADY!!!  IT'S BEEN 20 MONTHS AND IT'S GOTTEN WORSE!!!
It's gotten worst wtf are you smoking? Things are alright it's impressive how things haven't fell through the floor. China is a rising giant which means america is getting pushed to the side. You gotta wake the fuck up and start making descent choices.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2010, 11:21:22 AM »
It's gotten worst wtf are you smoking? Things are alright it's impressive how things haven't fell through the floor. China is a rising giant which means america is getting pushed to the side. You gotta wake the fuck up and start making descent choices.
You dont live here.
You dont know what is going on here sitting up in canada.
How fucking stupid can you be?
Youre sitting here trying to argue with people living here. I think we might have a little better idea whats going on in our country than you do. lol.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2010, 11:30:26 AM »
i always found it weird that these black people were driving in the biggest cars to kfc. is that also got to do with it showstoppa?

For sure.  Instead of putting money away for college, paying they bills on time, etc....it's much preferred to just get some gold teef, 50 or so shitty tats that nobody can see and a cell phone with a $500 bill each month to call "ole girsl" and "babys mama's"..... ;D

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2010, 11:33:11 AM »
For sure.  Instead of putting money away for college, paying they bills on time, etc....it's much preferred to just get some gold teef, 50 or so shitty tats that nobody can see and a cell phone with a $500 bill each month to call "ole girsl" and "babys mama's"..... ;D
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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2010, 11:37:51 AM »
I worked in the mortgage industry from 01 to 05 and even that far back I was saying what was going to happen to the housing market eventually.  We were giving loans to people that would have been laughed at previously because the standards kept getting lower and lower....being set by the lenders of course.....and they KNEW what would happen eventually....so they just rode it until it blew up and then went to the govt with their hands out.....and all political parties are at least partly at fault for it.
This tends to be the M.O. of most corps, and companies these days...dealing with trends from music to cars...ride out, and what is happening to America---ride that bitch till she is broke and gaping.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2010, 11:43:18 AM »
This tends to be the M.O. of most corps, and companies these days...dealing with trends from music to cars...ride out, and what is happening to America---ride that bitch till she is broke and gaping.

Exactly and then send a team of lawyer to Washington to explaining how they need a bail out......WTF?  And play all the scare tactics on what will happen if we don't do a bailout and the media just eats it up because it's "scary news" that they can plug all day so that you "tune in at 6pm to get the story......"

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2010, 12:15:54 PM »

As for the rest of us, no matter what side you're on , STOP BLAMING FUCKING BUSH ALREADY!!!  IT'S BEEN 20 MONTHS AND IT'S GOTTEN WORSE!!!

I couldn't agree more. I'm not a Bush nut hugger or hater.
But after 20 months I think it's time to stop using the name Bush altogether.
When is the right time when Obama steps up and starts taking responsibility for his own presidency? Do we have to wait 6, 12, 18 more months ??


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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #67 on: September 17, 2010, 01:03:09 PM »
I couldn't agree more. I'm not a Bush nut hugger or hater.
But after 20 months I think it's time to stop using the name Bush altogether.
When is the right time when Obama steps up and starts taking responsibility for his own presidency? Do we have to wait 6, 12, 18 more months ??


What's he done won't be forgotten for another 20 years. It's like comparing stalin to Nikita Khrushchev(who?). Bush will overshadow him for years he's not memorable. Obama is useless, but he hasn't done anything. The bailout didn't count for shit.
You dont live here.
You dont know what is going on here sitting up in canada.
How fucking stupid can you be?
Youre sitting here trying to argue with people living here. I think we might have a little better idea whats going on in our country than you do. lol.
Lol your acting like I'm living in central asia, are you fucking kidding? I'll leave you guys alone when you manage to be self sufficient for a decade.






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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #68 on: September 17, 2010, 01:33:47 PM »
So if your dad blows 100 k of your households money on guns  you see no issue with this. The problem isn't in it's self what bush did. It's that you guys can't see how fucked up what he did was. He invaded iraq for no reason, costed a trillion dollars. Other bad things will happen this century but this one act alone will go down in the history books as the straw that broke the camels back. For the record I vote conservative up here in canada, atleast at the moment.

Bush reacted on bad intelligence from the CIA and the Defense departments. I can say he didn't surround himself with smart people either. He did think he was doing the right thing on Iraq. I for one didn't think Saddam Hussein was as much of a threat to the U.S than an irritation. Bush did keep the U.S and some allies safe for 7 years after 9/11.... Sure, he was not a popular kind of President but I think history will redeem him somewhat as a good President. The Democrats, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid took over the Senate and the House and started much of the mess we have today so, to say Bush's fault is a bit naive. The housing markets were a direct affect of the Clinton Administration and Barney Frank. Blame should be dished our to all that hand a hand in it. Obama has been in office for 20 months and has a Democrat lead Senate and House but blames conservatives for not being able to get things done. If he really wanted too he could pass everything he deemed necessary, the problem is he doesn't want to be the one holding all the marbles when everything he does starts failing. He wants to be able to point to a few Conservatives and say " you voted for this too"... Pretty chicken shit if you ask me.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2010, 02:06:44 PM »
incredible

Are there things little fella?

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2010, 02:19:45 PM »
Gents,

you all seem to be missing the point here.

The world (with a few notable exceptions - Brazil, India and to a lesser extend Germany) is coming out of an economic crisis that was caused by a financial crisis.

It is not an American problem alone.

History has shown that the type of crisis we find ourselves in is very different from a "normal" economic crisis - see Japan in the 90ies. In the past it has taken much longer to recover. The average is somewhere around 7 years, but this one will probably take longer.

We have become so used to a high-speed world that we do not have the patience anymore to wait until the problems are worked through. Even if our governments do everything right, it will take much more time than the people are willing to tolerate.

The housing crisis in the US makes the recovery even harder as people have become less mobile - if you can't sell your house you can't move to where the jobs are.
Historically the mobility of its workforce has been a great strength which has helped America master recessions better than many other countries - but as mentioned it doesn't work this time around.

So one measure the government could take is helping people get out of mortgages that are greater than the value of their houses, but that will take a lot of time - much longer than an election cycle, because if the measures are too drastic or too fast the write-offs the lenders will have to take would throw us back into a financial crisis and we'd be back at square one (or September 2008).

Being in an election year is definitely not helpful for the US as politicians on both sides of the aisle are focused on getting votes rather than solving problems, and recent primary results have shown that "farming unhappiness" is a good way to get votes in the short term.

No matter what time, no matter what country, in a crisis people tend to vote for the politicians that shout the loudest about the problems, not the ones that offer solutions.

All the topics that seem to dominate the news (immigration, crime, tax cuts, health care, bringing troupes home and so on) are distractions designed to win points in the election.  

Politicians have no incentives to fix the fundamental economic problems, because their solution takes so much time that they are likely not to be in office anymore by the time the measures show real results. (again look at Japan in the 90-ies as a case study).

So let's hope that Brazil, India, and a few other countries that did not slip into the crisis (many of them in Latin America, some in Africa, some in Asia) will grow fast enough to bail the rest of the world out.

Don't bank on China though - that could very well be the next bubble to burst. It is a planned economy without democracy and it is gaining complexity at a speed that will soon be too much for the bureaucrats in Beijing to handle.  Also the social imbalances in China are too big to not cause some sort of problems, be it a revolution, a civil war or whatever.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2010, 02:26:08 PM »
Gotta love all these guys who openly demand a smaller government, yet... they want every person in the country age 18 to serve in the military.

 ;D

That is called an oxymoron.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2010, 02:31:23 PM »


No matter what time, no matter what country, in a crisis people tend to vote for the politicians that shout the loudest about the problems, not the ones that offer solutions. All the topics that seem to dominate the news (immigration, crime, tax cuts, health care, bringing troupes home and so on) are distractions designed to win points in the election.  



 

Don't bank on China though - that could very well be the next bubble to burst. It is a planned economy without democracy and it is gaining complexity at a speed that will soon be too much for the bureaucrats in Beijing to handle.  Also the social imbalances in China are too big to not cause some sort of problems, be it a revolution, a civil war or whatever.

Ride that bitch till she is broke and gaping..

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2010, 02:48:24 PM »
Bush reacted on bad intelligence from the CIA and the Defense departments. I can say he didn't surround himself with smart people either. He did think he was doing the right thing on Iraq. I for one didn't think Saddam Hussein was as much of a threat to the U.S than an irritation. Bush did keep the U.S and some allies safe for 7 years after 9/11.... Sure, he was not a popular kind of President but I think history will redeem him somewhat as a good President. The Democrats, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid took over the Senate and the House and started much of the mess we have today so, to say Bush's fault is a bit naive. The housing markets were a direct affect of the Clinton Administration and Barney Frank. Blame should be dished our to all that hand a hand in it. Obama has been in office for 20 months and has a Democrat lead Senate and House but blames conservatives for not being able to get things done. If he really wanted too he could pass everything he deemed necessary, the problem is he doesn't want to be the one holding all the marbles when everything he does starts failing. He wants to be able to point to a few Conservatives and say " you voted for this too"... Pretty chicken shit if you ask me.
I agree there's loads of blame to go around. Acting on bad intelligence is a weak excuse. When the un was against the war. You ask people from lthe region and they will tell you it was an awful idea. About 10 guys made the decision to go and it don't help that one was linked to nixon, the other haliburton. If america cut it's self off from it's fucked up past it'd do much better imho. Bush made saying he acted on bad intel is like saying hitler acted on flawed beliefs.

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Re: America, you are at a crossroad
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2010, 02:58:45 PM »
The way I see it is that America, economically, has been a conglomerate of power sources (elites) for a while. The inmense majority of the population has no real say in how the country is run. At all. While a handfull of very powerfull men get to dictate what is done with the government's money and how it is REALLY spent.

What I think is happening now is that, although, previously, these power sources were able to find some common ground and make decisions that benefited all Americans (of course, they get the majority of the cake, but we'd get some too), now there seems to be some disent, some confrontation of interests amongst these power sources, and the ones who suffer are all those Americans who are not within this priviledged group of people (who amass 85-90% of the country's riches by the way).